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[Eclipse_9990]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Dear lord... If the Mass Effect verse was real I can totally picture you as some rightwing supposed freedom fighter, trying to blow up alien property for the sake of human "freedom", but then you'd get arrested(ironically by humans), so it wouldn't be a problem. 

There is a name for well-meaning but ultimately mislead people who benefit foreign enemies and rivals.

That name suits you.

Well don't keep me in suspense now. Tell me.

How would you lable me; oh wise, and all knowing computer text? :3 

[MisterJB]

Blacklash93 wrote...
Try to think bigger beyond superficial looks.

Did the turians think the humans they were bombing from orbit on Shanxi were people with feelings?

And how does that apply to what I'm saying? Each species has its strengths and the Asari want to use them to make everyone stronger.

The asari want to use them to make themselves stronger.

They would do everything themselves if that were the case. They'd have the biggest fleet, the biggest economy, and the best intel.

They are the most advanced and politicaly influencial race, capable of infiltrating and influencing other races thanks to the way they reproduce. It is flat out said that Asari Matriarchs are some of the most powerful individuals in the Galaxy. Their entire race is biotic, they have the most powerful vessel in the Council fleet and they control the eezo trade thanks to the high levels of it on their homeplanet.
It's true that they don't control the galaxy as much as they could but you can't deny that their decisions carry more weigth that anyone else's.

Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Dear lord... If the Mass Effect verse was real I can totally picture you as some rightwing supposed freedom fighter, trying to blow up alien property for the sake of human "freedom", but then you'd get arrested(ironically by humans), so it wouldn't be a problem. 

And you would be more than happy to offer Earth as colony to the Turian Empire.

 I've already said several times that human/alien cooperation is good. I'm just not willing to let them stand in the way of human advancement.
We can work with the aliens, we can trade with the aliens and we can learn from the aliens. But we should not slow down for the aliens because they will not do the same for us. 

[MisterJB]

Luc0s wrote...
They do realize it. At least Thane does. And he's fine with it. He respects the hanar and he feels honored to serve them.

I had a different impression. It seemed to me that Thane argued that the drell are not slaves because they can refuse to serve without realizing that their culture subtly influences them to serve. Thus, slavery.

[Blacklash93]

MisterJB wrote...
Did the turians think the humans they were bombing from orbit on Shanxi were people with feelings?

So you should sink to their level? Please, you only prove how ignorant you are of how change happens.

[Blacklash93]

Honsestly, humanity's only saving grace is that it is "innocent" to the galaxy. Don't pretend humanity wouldn't veer into the direction of the other races eventually.

[MisterJB]

Blacklash93 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Did the turians think the humans they were bombing from orbit on Shanxi were people with feelings?

So you should sink to their level? Please, you only prove how ignorant you are of how change happens.

I have not advocated bombing turian settlements. I simply use the occupation of Shanxi as an example as to why humans should always be alert to what our "allies" are doing.
They attacked us for no reason at all. We either make our destruction cost them more than they'd be willing to lose or it will happen again.

[naledgeborn]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Perhaps I can't remember correctly, but I believe indentured servitude was the act of choosing to settle debts by serving the one you were indebted to for a period of time. Am I right on this?

And as far as I've seen there's nothing to suggest that the Volus are forced to cooperate with the Turians. They choose to for the sake of business.

And I support concession to the other races? I just want everyone to get along and it seems BSN isn't even able of comprehending what that means.

And cut it with the insults. Assuming you're even capable of it.

Servitude is slavery whether incurred by debt or otherwise. 

How exactly would the Volus refuse? 

Turians: You're going to be our bankers.
Volus: No

That wouldn't have really worked out for them. What the Turian Hierarchy is perpetuating is a glorified form of an extortion racket.

Getting along is one thing. Bending over to the oligarchy that is the Citadel Council is another. Like MisterJB said, since humanity's earned a seat on the Council (in a Paragon universe which is my canon by the way) it's been vetoed every time by a 3-1 vote. The Council is getting all the benefits without giving anything back.

Humanity's colonization of the Attican Traverse (which was an agenda encouraged by the Council to terminate piracy and stimulate trade) and the follow up war with the Batarian Hegemony (sorry we can't help you, you wanted the Traverse you got it) is the only example I need of the Council's shady politics to know that they don't have our best interests at heart. 

Modifié par naledgeborn, 27 janvier 2012 - 12:51 .

[MV0722]

 After realizing that Cerberus was evil...
I paid close attention to the Illusive Man's eyes. 



Anyway, I've decided to restart the entire campaign, ME1-ME2.
My Paragon Shepard is well all good, so bye bye Collector base.
My Renegade is the opposite.

[Doctoglethorpe]

That's the very first thing I noticed about Illusive Man. Same exact eyes as Saren had. I knew right away he was ****in indoctrinated, that was long before the second comic series confirmed it. In fact in retrospect if Shepard was smart there would of been a dialog option calling him out about that. "Yo man, I'ma let you finish and I'm thankful that you resurrected me, but dude come on your eyes are a dead giveaway wtf is up with that ****?" or you know something along those lines.

[DJStarstryker]

I destroyed it. My Shepard's a roleplayed renegade. My Shepard never trusted The Illusive Man for a single moment. Cerberus did too many terrible things in ME1 that didn't really seem to be helping humanity like they claim and they did terrible things in ME2. The Overlord DLC stuff and stuff they did to Jack alone were bad, plus my Shepard's still angry at The Illusive Man for setting him up on the Collector ship. My Shepard thinks that the information/technology there would've been useful for fighting the Reapers, yes, but he was afraid it would just fall into Cerberus' hands.

My Shepard feels like he's practically alone in the universe at the moment, outside of his team/friends and people like Admiral Hacket and Captain/Councilor Anderson, and he's convinced he'll somehow find a way to beat the Reapers even without it. After all, he beat Sovereign and he's come so far since then! 

[IllusiveMike]

MV0722 wrote...

 After realizing that Cerberus was evil...
I paid close attention to the Illusive Man's eyes. 

*snip*

Anyway, I've decided to restart the entire campaign, ME1-ME2.
My Paragon Shepard is well all good, so bye bye Collector base.
My Renegade is the opposite.

Well, it may be Reaper tech, but doesn't automatically mean he is indoctrinated.  Shep's eyes are the same, but red, if you are a Renegade w/o the med bay upgrade and he certianly isn't indoctrinated.

[mango smoothie]

MV0722 wrote...

 After realizing that Cerberus was evil...
I paid close attention to the Illusive Man's eyes. 

*snip*

Anyway, I've decided to restart the entire campaign, ME1-ME2.
My Paragon Shepard is well all good, so bye bye Collector base.
My Renegade is the opposite.

Yes because an indoctrinated slave of the Reapers would help Shepard throughout all of Mass Effect 2 to destroy the Collectors, who were building a important resource for them. I don't trust TIM, but not because I think he is indoctrinated.

Modifié par mango smoothie, 27 janvier 2012 - 03:25 .

[Iamnotahater]

I think the posters here are framing the debate incorrectly.

Alot of the posters here seem to think that not giving Cerberus the base makes them less nationalist then the posters who saved the base. This line of thinking is flawed. Alot of posters destroyed the base for a variety of other reasons (some did on ethical grounds, some did so because they thought the technology was too dangerous, etc) unrelated to humanities role in the galaxy.

I did so for the simple reason I didn't trust the TIM. I also think the idea of hoarding the technology for humanity when the galaxy is facing it's biggest threat is selfish and a huge risk.

Just for arguments sake though if it was peace time and a found tech that would give humanity an edge over the rest. I would give it to the ALLIANCE not the council.

My Order as follows:
1. Council (use it as proof to unite the galaxy and share tech to prepare for war)
2. Give it to the alliance and strengthen your biggest ally in the coming war against the reapers
3. Blow it up rather then give to a race you don't trust or a terrorist organization with a hidden agenda
4. Give it to the Batarians . 
5. Give it to Cerberus.

Modifié par Iamnotahater, 27 janvier 2012 - 03:31 .

[mango smoothie]

Iamnotahater wrote...


My Order as follows:
1. Council (use it as proof to unite the galaxy and share tech to prepare for war)
2. Give it to the alliance and strengthen your biggest ally in the coming war against the reapers
3. Blow it up rather then give to a race you don't trust or a terrorist organization with a hidden agenda
4. Give it to the Batarians . 
5. Give it to Cerberus.

Wow you would give the Base to the Batarians before Cerberus. Hey I mean I want to improve relations with them too, but giving them a powerful technology would not equal into best buddies. Instead I think they would use tech to wage a war on humanity.

[Iamnotahater]

4 and 5 were a joke.

Btw the Batarians would be more likely to accidently press the big red self destruct button then discover any sort of tech that would give them an advantage over other races.

Modifié par Iamnotahater, 27 janvier 2012 - 03:40 .

[HTTP 404]

mango smoothie wrote...

MV0722 wrote...

 After realizing that Cerberus was evil...
I paid close attention to the Illusive Man's eyes. 

*snip*

Anyway, I've decided to restart the entire campaign, ME1-ME2.
My Paragon Shepard is well all good, so bye bye Collector base.
My Renegade is the opposite.

Yes because an indoctrinated slave of the Reapers would help Shepard throughout all of Mass Effect 2 to destroy the Collectors, who were building a important resource for them. I don't trust TIM, but not because I think he is indoctrinated.

maybe tim just wants to be the highest on the reaper servent totem pole?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Iamnotahater wrote...
My Order as follows:
1. Council (use it as proof to unite the galaxy and share tech to prepare for war)
2. Give it to the alliance and strengthen your biggest ally in the coming war against the reapers
3. Blow it up rather then give to a race you don't trust or a terrorist organization with a hidden agenda
4. Give it to the Batarians . 
5. Give it to Cerberus.

Pftt... I'd give it to anyone who isn't a reaper. Don't care who.
As long as he's on our side (teh sentient races of the galaxy).

You silly people and youir petty trust issues.

[HTTP 404]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...
My Order as follows:
1. Council (use it as proof to unite the galaxy and share tech to prepare for war)
2. Give it to the alliance and strengthen your biggest ally in the coming war against the reapers
3. Blow it up rather then give to a race you don't trust or a terrorist organization with a hidden agenda
4. Give it to the Batarians . 
5. Give it to Cerberus.

Pftt... I'd give it to anyone who isn't a reaper. Don't care who.
As long as he's on our side (teh sentient races of the galaxy).

You silly people and youir petty trust issues.

oh you naive person with your trusting nature

[Lotion Soronarr]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Humanity would become just like the council is now. Humans are just as flawed as the rest of the galaxy's species.

So?
What does it matter?

So? So why are you arguing? Humanity isn't any better suited to ruling the galaxy. If you know this then why are you so adamant about human domination?

Why wouldn't I be? Why are you so against it?

"Better" is not really relevant.
"Deserves" is not really relevant either.

Being top dog is in the best interest fo humanity. And guess what - Shep is human.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Gabey5 wrote...

Yes only if we have some compentant individuals looking in to those possibilities. We are giving the base to Cerberus, who have already started messing things up before the arrival of the reapers by releasing the husks they brought back to study from Omega.

As long as its Cerberus, we will not get any results atleast not in time for the arrival

Yeah..excpet no.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Segameister wrote...

Most of the time (several playthroughs) I destroyed it. On one occasion I decided to keep it and the Illusive man's reaction immediately told me that I did a bad thing! His facial changes portrayed a maniacal kinda evil!

His facial expression was a smile. Nothing more.

Talk about reading into things and seeing things that aren't there. There's nothing maniacal or evil about it.
Maybe some smugness...

[Lotion Soronarr]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...
My Order as follows:
1. Council (use it as proof to unite the galaxy and share tech to prepare for war)
2. Give it to the alliance and strengthen your biggest ally in the coming war against the reapers
3. Blow it up rather then give to a race you don't trust or a terrorist organization with a hidden agenda
4. Give it to the Batarians . 
5. Give it to Cerberus.

Pftt... I'd give it to anyone who isn't a reaper. Don't care who.
As long as he's on our side (teh sentient races of the galaxy).

You silly people and youir petty trust issues.

oh you naive person with your trusting nature

Oh you stupid person with no sense of priorities of practicality.