No need to re-do. On all but one of my playthroughs, I hindered Cerberus in everyway possible, and I certainly didn't trust TIM enough to give him the ability to make his own Reaper. He'd probably liquefy a load of aliens for it or something.
Destroying the Collector Base
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 10:56
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I can never save it, I really don't care about how much of an effect it has on ME3, probably no more then the choice of saving the council. That never played a role in my decision, I just straight hate Cerberus. Always have. Sure they saved my life, but that doesn't make all the other horrible **** they've done disappear. They may be a necessary evil to a degree, but that doesn't mean they aren't still evil, that doesn't mean I have to enjoy their presence and actively support them. **** those guys, the collector base goes to explosion town.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 10:57
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My canon play through keeps the base. That Shepard kept the genophage and kept the heretics alive so naturally, he kept the collector base. Cerberus never played a part in the decision. I saved it to beat the Reapers.
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#29
Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 10:58
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I didn't trust TIM and I'm not a big fan of Cerberus. I don't really understand how anyone can trust TIM. I destroyed the base on my first playthrough.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:00
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Blow it up, I am not about to let TIM use Reaper Tech to screw over the rest of the Galaxy.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:04
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The base used technology made from "melting" humans. So of course I destroyed it, that and to p*ss cerberus off.
#32
Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:07
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While I do blow it up every time, and your squad says it's the right thing to do, I feel it would be beneficial to Shepard in the long run. I only do it because Miranda leaves Cerberus if you blow it up, and I didn't want to risk her staying with Cerberus when they turn into baddies.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:13
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Sovereign TOLD you why you should destroy the Collector base:
"Your civilization is based on the technology of the Mass Relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire.”
Maybe I don't want my civilization to continue developing along the path the Reapers desire, so I'm not going to help TIMmy start mass producing it.
"Your civilization is based on the technology of the Mass Relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire.”
Maybe I don't want my civilization to continue developing along the path the Reapers desire, so I'm not going to help TIMmy start mass producing it.
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#34
Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:18
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IllusiveMike wrote...
Sovereign TOLD you why you should destroy the Collector base:
"Your civilization is based on the technology of the Mass Relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire.”
So you'd rather stay gimped along the paths they desired than access tech which they never wanted you to achieve and advance yourself away from what they intended?
Ok.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:21
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IllusiveMike wrote...
Soverign TOLD you why you should destroy the Collector base:
"Your civilization is based on the technology of the Mass Relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire.”
Maybe I don't want my civilization to continue developing along the path the Reapers desire, so I'm not going to help TIMmy start mass producing it.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Dave of Canada. Read his post if you think mine is too long.
Your reasoning doesn't make any sense.
Do you honestly think the reapers desired that you take down the Collector base and use it to study reaper tech?
The reapers want yout to USE their tech. They DON'T want you to STUDY their tech, especially not when it's tech that is used to develop reapers!
The reapers want us to stay ignorant. They don't want us to go poking around and trying to discover anything useful. That's why the Citadel is operated by the keepers. That's why the Mass Relays are so easy to use, yet so complicated to understand. And that's why they kept their Collector base hidden.
By blowing the base up, you'll do EXACTLY what the reapers want you to do. You'll destroy a huge source of intel on the reapers and you remain ignorant about their origin or construction.
After Sovereign's speech, you should realize that we should KEEP the Collector base and STUDY it so we can gain an understanding of the reaper's tech an develop our own counter-measures. The Thanix canon is a great example of what we can achieve if we gain knowledge on how the reaper tech works.
If we keep the base and we somehow manage to find the tech that is used by the reapers to indoctrinate us, we're one step closing in defeating the reapers. If we can reverse-engineer their indoctrination tech, we can develop a counter-measure against their indoctrination. Can you imagine how that would top the scales in our favor? With such tech, we would actually stand a chance against the reapers!
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#36
Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:24
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And here comes the TIM fanclub
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:25
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And whats to stop the Reapers from taking the base back if you saved it?Luc0s wrote...
IllusiveMike wrote...
Soverign TOLD you why you should destroy the Collector base:
"Your civilization is based on the technology of the Mass Relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire.”
Maybe I don't want my civilization to continue developing along the path the Reapers desire, so I'm not going to help TIMmy start mass producing it.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Dave of Canada. Read his post if you think mine is too long.
Your reasoning doesn't make any sense.
Do you honestly think the reapers desired that you take down the Collector base and use it to study reaper tech?
The reapers want yout to USE their tech. They DON'T want you to STUDY their tech, especially not when it's tech that is used to develop reapers!
The reapers want us to stay ignorant. They don't want us to go poking around and trying to discover anything useful. That's why the Citadel is operated by the keepers. That's why the Mass Relays are so easy to use, yet so complicated to understand. And that's why they kept their Collector base hidden.
By blowing the base up, you'll do EXACTLY what the reapers want you to do. You'll destroy a huge source of intel on the reapers and you remain ignorant about their origin or construction.
After Sovereign's speech, you should realize that we should KEEP the Collector base and STUDY it so we can gain an understanding of the reaper's tech an develop our own counter-measures. The Thanix canon is a great example of what we can achieve if we gain knowledge on how the reaper tech works.
If we keep the base and we somehow manage to find the tech that is used by the reapers to indoctrinate us, we're one step closing in defeating the reapers. If we can reverse-engineer their indoctrination tech, we can develop a counter-measure against their indoctrination. Can you imagine how that would top the scales in our favor? With such tech, we would actually stand a chance against the reapers!
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:25
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On topic:
I kept the base in every single playthrough.
We need the base against the reapers. It's our only intel on them. I'm not so dumb to blow that only intel up. Studying this Collector base is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Blowing it up would be a waste and an incredible DUMB thing to do.
I kept the base in every single playthrough.
We need the base against the reapers. It's our only intel on them. I'm not so dumb to blow that only intel up. Studying this Collector base is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Blowing it up would be a waste and an incredible DUMB thing to do.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:27
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And you won't be able to study it because Cerbies come in with ME3 as the antagonists and have the base under their control..
#40
Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:28
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If there was an option to give the base to the council, I'd keep it. As the only option is to hand it to the evil racist megalomaniac, I always destroy the base.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:28
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darkness reborn wrote...
And whats to stop the Reapers from taking the base back if you saved it?Luc0s wrote...
IllusiveMike wrote...
Soverign TOLD you why you should destroy the Collector base:
"Your civilization is based on the technology of the Mass Relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire.”
Maybe I don't want my civilization to continue developing along the path the Reapers desire, so I'm not going to help TIMmy start mass producing it.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Dave of Canada. Read his post if you think mine is too long.
Your reasoning doesn't make any sense.
Do you honestly think the reapers desired that you take down the Collector base and use it to study reaper tech?
The reapers want yout to USE their tech. They DON'T want you to STUDY their tech, especially not when it's tech that is used to develop reapers!
The reapers want us to stay ignorant. They don't want us to go poking around and trying to discover anything useful. That's why the Citadel is operated by the keepers. That's why the Mass Relays are so easy to use, yet so complicated to understand. And that's why they kept their Collector base hidden.
By blowing the base up, you'll do EXACTLY what the reapers want you to do. You'll destroy a huge source of intel on the reapers and you remain ignorant about their origin or construction.
After Sovereign's speech, you should realize that we should KEEP the Collector base and STUDY it so we can gain an understanding of the reaper's tech an develop our own counter-measures. The Thanix canon is a great example of what we can achieve if we gain knowledge on how the reaper tech works.
If we keep the base and we somehow manage to find the tech that is used by the reapers to indoctrinate us, we're one step closing in defeating the reapers. If we can reverse-engineer their indoctrination tech, we can develop a counter-measure against their indoctrination. Can you imagine how that would top the scales in our favor? With such tech, we would actually stand a chance against the reapers!
Why do you think the reapers even want it back? What use would that base be to them in the middle of an galactic war and without Collectors?
The Collector base will probably the least of their concern.
Besides, I actually hoped that TIM would come up with groundbreaking discoveries from the base BEFORE the reapers arrive (<- that was before I read the ME3 leaked script....).
#42
Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:28
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I agree with keeping the base.
My problem isn't the morality of keeping the base. It's giving it the TIM.
If they gave me an option to give it to the Alliance/Council and I would have chose it.
My problem isn't the morality of keeping the base. It's giving it the TIM.
If they gave me an option to give it to the Alliance/Council and I would have chose it.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:29
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G3rman wrote...
And you won't be able to study it because Cerbies come in with ME3 as the antagonists and have the base under their control..
But Shepard doesn't know that. We didn't know that 2 years ago when ME2 was just released and there was no info about ME3. We still wouldn't know this if we weren't spoiled about ME3's plot.
But using any knowledge from ME3 is basically meta-gaming. When I play an RPG, I avoid meta-gaming. What's the use of roleplaying when you're not going to base your in-game decisions on your in-game knowledge? Meta-gaming kinda ruins the whole concept of roleplaying.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:30
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It should have been clear that Cerberus would turn on you, their organization reeks of broken agreements in favor of their own agenda. Who was to say they wouldn't turn the base against you or the entire galactic community?
You are a little ignorant if you put your faith into Cerberus wholeheartedly.
You are a little ignorant if you put your faith into Cerberus wholeheartedly.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:31
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I understand wanting to cover your bases and at least see if it is useful, but the argument that we will learn so much in time to save the galaxy is self-defeating as well. There isn't enough time, see Arrival. Do you think they have plans for a Reaper 1 shot kill gun AND anyone will have enough time to make a bunch of them? And there is no evidence the Collector base even has any indoctrination tech laying around... (AND See Retribution: Cerb already has access to it).
I'm sure the Illusive man's use of Reaper tech will not backfire in any way.
I'm sure the Illusive man's use of Reaper tech will not backfire in any way.
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#46
Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:32
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That's true.
But it was obvious to me TIM could not be trusted. I didn't have to metagame inorder to figure that out.
But it was obvious to me TIM could not be trusted. I didn't have to metagame inorder to figure that out.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:33
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But I agree, if there was some way to give the base to another Authority (Council, Alliance) I would have done so. At the very least those governments are accountable to the other galactic races, Cerberus is paramilitary and has no checks and balances; they can easily abuse that power.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:34
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Well that base would have details on the Reapers. Stuff that they would not want people to know about. Would you want your emeny knowing everything about you?Luc0s wrote...
darkness reborn wrote...
And whats to stop the Reapers from taking the base back if you saved it?Luc0s wrote...
IllusiveMike wrote...
Soverign TOLD you why you should destroy the Collector base:
"Your civilization is based on the technology of the Mass Relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire.”
Maybe I don't want my civilization to continue developing along the path the Reapers desire, so I'm not going to help TIMmy start mass producing it.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Dave of Canada. Read his post if you think mine is too long.
Your reasoning doesn't make any sense.
Do you honestly think the reapers desired that you take down the Collector base and use it to study reaper tech?
The reapers want yout to USE their tech. They DON'T want you to STUDY their tech, especially not when it's tech that is used to develop reapers!
The reapers want us to stay ignorant. They don't want us to go poking around and trying to discover anything useful. That's why the Citadel is operated by the keepers. That's why the Mass Relays are so easy to use, yet so complicated to understand. And that's why they kept their Collector base hidden.
By blowing the base up, you'll do EXACTLY what the reapers want you to do. You'll destroy a huge source of intel on the reapers and you remain ignorant about their origin or construction.
After Sovereign's speech, you should realize that we should KEEP the Collector base and STUDY it so we can gain an understanding of the reaper's tech an develop our own counter-measures. The Thanix canon is a great example of what we can achieve if we gain knowledge on how the reaper tech works.
If we keep the base and we somehow manage to find the tech that is used by the reapers to indoctrinate us, we're one step closing in defeating the reapers. If we can reverse-engineer their indoctrination tech, we can develop a counter-measure against their indoctrination. Can you imagine how that would top the scales in our favor? With such tech, we would actually stand a chance against the reapers!
Why do you think the reapers even want it back? What use would that base be to them in the middle of an galactic war and without Collectors?
The Collector base will probably the least of their concern.
Besides, I actually hoped that TIM would come up with groundbreaking discoveries from the base BEFORE the reapers arrive (<- that was before I read the ME3 leaked script....).
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:35
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I always have played two prime character. One male, one female. And I basically do them as polar opposites. My FemShep destroyed the base, so ManShep saved it. He's been a pretty ruthless jerk. I don't think things will turn out too well for him in the end.
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Posté 25 janvier 2012 - 11:37
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G3rman wrote...
It should have been clear that Cerberus would turn on you, their organization reeks of broken agreements in favor of their own agenda. Who was to say they wouldn't turn the base against you or the entire galactic community?
We had not reason to believe Cerberus would turn on us, at least not as long as the reapers are still around. I mean Cerberus are just humans like you and me. And you know what the reapers plan to do with us humans.
In fact, I honestly believed that TIM would hate the reapers even more than I do. Just look at how much TIM values humanity and the human race. TIM fights for humanity. There is absolutely no reason to believe TIM would turn his back on the galactic community when the reapers are still around. They are a threat to ALL of us, including TIM,
We have eve less reason to believe TIM would turn his back on humanity. Cerberus is the most pro-human organisation in the galaxy. Why would a pro-human organisation turn it's back on humanity? It doesn't make sense.
The fact that they do turn on us in ME3 makes absolutely no sense at all. It made me extremely angry at the ME3 story writers when I first heard about this. HOWEVER....
Now that I've read the leaked script I'm okay with Cerberus' role in ME3. It seems Cerberus never really turned their back on us. TIM is in fact a hero in ME3. :innocent:
G3rman wrote...
You are a little ignorant if you put your faith into Cerberus wholeheartedly.
I don't put faith in Cerberus at all. I simply realize that I have no other choice. Blowing up that base is simply no option. Only an idiot would blow up the base. I'm not an idiot.
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