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[BlueMagitek]

Oh, come on now. The Council & Alliance weren't willing to bring the fight to the Perseus Veil despite being attacked by the Geth; you think they'd suffice on skeleton teams (which would no doubt draw suspicion, given that no one goes through the Omega Relay and comes back).

[Iamnotahater]

It doesn't matter if the Terminus alliance get suspicious.

1. They have no idea that there is a base there.
2. Any investigating ships that arrive will get ripped apart from the black holes.
3. The alliance/council would have nav coords.
4. They could rig the base to explode and take back the tech piece by piece before the terminus alliance was none the wiser.

[G3rman]

As long as Shepard mentions nothing about reapers when he lets them know, I'm sure they would take a professional standpoint.

[BlueMagitek]

Iamnotahater wrote...

It doesn't matter if the Terminus alliance get suspicious.

1. They have no idea that there is a base there.
2. Any investigating ships that arrive will get ripped apart from the black holes.
3. The alliance/council would have nav coords.
4. They could rig the base to explode and take back the tech piece by piece before the terminus alliance was none the wiser.

That still doesn't deal with Terminus being hostile towards the invading Council ships.  Once they figure out something lies beyond the previously untravelable Omega Relay, it's going to gain interest.

[seirhart]

Also I'm sure people would know that a ship entered the omega relay and a few hours later I'm guessing leave the omega relay. Once that happened I'm sure there are a lot of individuals saying what the, that ship just entered and left the relay. Shoot I'm sure they would notice that the normandy entered with no damage but when it left I'm sure they'll notice battle damage and holes every where.

[Blacklash93]

I destroyed the base and stand by it. Not only is there the risk of indoctrination, but you're giving it to a terribly incompetent and unethical supremacy organization that will use its secrets to impose its will on the entire galaxy.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Goldendroid wrote...
So what I want to ask is this, did you go out of your way to purposely re-do the collector base sequence and hinder cerberus in as many ways as possible? Or did you do just the opposite and became one with TIM and will find a way to get his support in ME3 (though I think I remember seeing somewhere that Cerberus can never be persuaded to be nice, maybe at the endgame but who knows. I have not seen the script and I do not want to!)

I don't let meta-knowledge affect my play-troughs.
So no, I don't go back and change my decisions. What is done is done. And I saved the base.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Lord Aesir wrote...

My Shepard blew it up because:

A)If Harbinger has the intelligence of a small rodent he will have organized a purge of the computer systems having learned his lesson after EDI data mined the ship earlier, immediately after he knew Shepard was going to purge all life on the base.

There's still machinery, weaponry, equipment ...buits of hte babby reaper and parts for the whole thing.
Having actual working pieces is often a lot better than having crude/basic computer data.

B)Cerberus is unlikely to share the technology they uncover

When the reapers arrive? Based on what?

C)Cerberus researchers have a very limited time frame before indoctrination sets in

Assuming they dont' take any precautions (which they should after the derelict reaper).
Assuming there are indoctrination devices.
Assuming it matters if the scientists get indoctrinated. Loosign a few scinetists is insignificant compared to the gains of reaper tech

D)Cerberus has a less than stellar track record with scientific research programs regarding alien technology

No, not really

E) All the above make the likelihood of Cerberus uncovering something balance tipping unlikely.

Quite the opposite. Every single time anyone researched reaper tech it proved VITAL to the struggle.
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
No ex
ceptions.

F)There is a distinct possibility of the very scenario the premise of the invasion comic is based on, indoctrinated huskified monstrosities drawing on our available manpower and becoming a thorn in the side of the war effort.

Manpower is of little use aainst repaers. They are starships. You can't fight starships with ground forces. No to mention that the races of tha galaxy have enough manpower, that even if htey only threw 1% of it at Cerberus, they could burry every Cerberus soldiers beneath 1000 bodies.

G)After the war, Cerberus will use the technology it has to continue pursuing human dominance and spoil peace and goodwill towards mankind.

Human dominance is not a bad thing.



Also, post-war risks are irrelevant. Unless the reapers are stopped, there wont' BE a post-war period at all.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 26 janvier 2012 - 07:40 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

G3rman wrote...
I understand that many people play their Renagons, Renegades, or even Paragons in a logical fashion. But don't hate on those who play theirs based on emotional decisions rather than logic.

I don't hate players who play like that.
I do hate it when they proclaim their in-game decisiosn rational and logical.

[AgitatedLemon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

G3rman wrote...
I understand that many people play their Renagons, Renegades, or even Paragons in a logical fashion. But don't hate on those who play theirs based on emotional decisions rather than logic.

I don't hate players who play like that.
I do hate it when they proclaim their in-game decisiosn rational and logical.

So if someone picks something different from yourself, it's illogical and irrational?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Iamnotahater wrote...
I thought long and hard about the decision. But I just didn't
trust TIM with that kind of power and believed he had a hidden agenda similar
N@zi fascism.

The first thing I believed he would do is use the weapon to indoctrinate all
his political adversaries on earth, rise to power, and then use it on alien
species galaxy wide.

I wasn't going to just blindly trust that he would use it just against the
reapers and figured if the entire galaxy is indoctrinated then what’s the point
in fighting the reapers anyways.

So I destroyed the base. Didn't want to but felt it was my only option.

So 1 guy with an indoctrination device is worse than an entire species with thousands (if not more) indoctrination devices who want to kill everyone.

TIM with reaper tech >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Repaers.

Regardless what happensm, even in a worst-case-scenario with TIM, this life cycle in the galaxy will continue.
Not to say that indoctrination does work jut as simply as you put it. TI's not lik TIM can walk int othe Citadel and brainwas everyone nilly-willy.

Even with the entire reaper armada it took a looong time for the reaeprs to fully defeat the Protheans. TIM and Cerberus, even with indoctrination tech, really dont' stand much of a chance agaisnt the galaxy.

[Someone With Mass]

Me: Aw, so you want this base?

TIM: I want that base.

Me: You want this base?

TIM: I WANT THAT BASE!

Me: Well, I'd gladly give it to you, but you see, there's a problem with it.

TIM: What?

*Epic explosion in the galactic core*

Me: It's broken. Also, I'mtakingyourshipandyourcrew, kthxbye.

[G3rman]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Me: Aw, so you want this base?

TIM: I want that base.

Me: You want this base?

TIM: I WANT THAT BASE!

Me: Well, I'd gladly give it to you, but you see, there's a problem with it.

TIM: What?

*Epic explosion in the galactic core*

Me: It's broken. Also, I'mtakingyourshipandyourcrew, kthxbye.

*applauds*

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Me: Aw, so you want this base?

TIM: I want that base.

Me: You want this base?

TIM: I WANT THAT BASE!

Me: Well, I'd gladly give it to you, but you see, there's a problem with it.

TIM: What?

*Epic explosion in the galactic core*

Me: It's broken. Also, I'mtakingyourshipandyourcrew, kthxbye.

Illusive Man Rivalry +200

[Poison_Berrie]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Me: Aw, so you want this base?

TIM: I want that base.

Me: You want this base?

TIM: I WANT THAT BASE!

Me: TADAAAAAAAAA!.

I fixed it for you... 

OT: I usually destroy it. The direct contact and control Harbinger (and the other Reapers) seem to have over the base makes me a little warry of this being a indoctrination free investigation.
Better to just salvage the debris. That seems less risky.

[ParagonForLife]

lol my line of thinking was this
Me:Base could be useful and we can better understand our galaxy but having a base in the galatic core
Illusive:GIVE ME THE BASE!!
Me:what will you do with it?
Illusive:TAKE OVER GALAXY
Me:why?
Illusive:ITS FOR HUMANITY!!!
Me:Iam human...I dont want to do that what makes you think we whould do such a good job...
Illusive:YOU OWE ME!!
Me:do we really want to go there? I had like 10 billion credits before I died what happened to them...
Illusive: dont you see how important this is to humanity!!
Me: humanity wont own it you will...
Illusive: Cerberus is Humanity!!! Cerberus has humanities best intrest at min-*PARAGON INTERUPT*
Me: I dont think humanity much cares for you Kaiden sure doesnt you forced infants to become Biotics
Me: Ash wont like you either as you killed the Pope..
Me: I dont much care for you either I mean you sorta killed my friends with a Maw and then you sorta killed an alliance officer who wanted to stop you from hurting people...so yea Iam take the normandy and leave before things get explodey around here
P.S you shouldnt smoke so much you will get cancer and also I think you might have a drinking problem...theres people who can help you with that
Illusive:*Sip* *Puff*

[Lotion Soronarr]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

G3rman wrote...
I understand that many people play their Renagons, Renegades, or even Paragons in a logical fashion. But don't hate on those who play theirs based on emotional decisions rather than logic.

I don't hate players who play like that.
I do hate it when they proclaim their in-game decisiosn rational and logical.

So if someone picks something different from yourself, it's illogical and irrational?

If it's based on emotion? Yes.

Mayhaps you should read the post more carefully...

[LTiberious]

Dang, ME3 has a big revelation of Cerberus being bad, and bla bla bla. And how they made everything to you not know that (lol)

But in ME2 you dont ****ing know what is going to happen, so sticking to your intel based on ME1/Me2 only gives a proper choice

///

If it secures human dominance in the galaxy - why not, ffs. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Luc0s wrote...
So why can't you understand this?

Because their personal emotions and issues and morals outweigh everything else - including the entire galaxy and the lives of everyone in there?

[G3rman]

Because its not necessary to help Cerberus to beat the Reapers.  Of course to ME2 Shepard he doesn't know this for sure, but just because Cerberus is in a position to help him doesn't mean its the best choice.

Modifié par G3rman, 26 janvier 2012 - 08:53 .

[Confused-Shepard]

I wish Cerberus was more; steal any and all resources; sabotage aliens and bunker down within the Omega 4 relay as opposed to "Reapers? Who cares! Look Shep is doing something! Let's stop him!"

[incinerator950]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

G3rman wrote...
I understand that many people play their Renagons, Renegades, or even Paragons in a logical fashion. But don't hate on those who play theirs based on emotional decisions rather than logic.

I don't hate players who play like that.
I do hate it when they proclaim their in-game decisiosn rational and logical.

So if someone picks something different from yourself, it's illogical and irrational?

Only to the person disclaiming the dispute.  At the time of the game, the LotSB and classified files would not be able to influence Shepard.  Helping Cerberus at the time is helping a Human Centered Organization, one way or the other you need to secure as many military assets and assistance.  There is a difference in the Collector Base, while whatever form of disturbing you can call it, it has valuable technological assets and information on the Reapers.  Even if the Reaper tech is destroyed, Collector Tech is still more powerful then Council or Alliance firepower. 

If the option to take it for yourself or the Alliance was possible, it would be more accepted.  However, Cerberus claims the base.  Live with your decisions, and figure it out in ME 3 if it will really make an impact.

Keeping enemy technology and using against them is a sound plan, but I don't disagree, Cerberus is an enemy.  Doesn't mean I'm going back, I'll get my tech, and if I'm lucky, Cerberus might still have members on our side.