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[Someone With Mass]

LTiberious wrote...

Dang, ME3 has a big revelation of Cerberus being bad, and bla bla bla. And how they made everything to you not know that (lol)

But in ME2 you dont ****ing know what is going to happen, so sticking to your intel based on ME1/Me2 only gives a proper choice

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If it secures human dominance in the galaxy - why not, ffs. 

The funny thing is that it doesn't. It'd only secure Cerberus' dominance (couldn't type that with a straight face), since there are few of their projects that have benefited mankind as a whole and to think that they'll share that vast knowledge with every human faction there is, is just moronic.

[incinerator950]

Someone With Mass wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Dang, ME3 has a big revelation of Cerberus being bad, and bla bla bla. And how they made everything to you not know that (lol)

But in ME2 you dont ****ing know what is going to happen, so sticking to your intel based on ME1/Me2 only gives a proper choice

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If it secures human dominance in the galaxy - why not, ffs. 

The funny thing is that it doesn't. It'd only secure Cerberus' dominance (couldn't type that with a straight face), since there are few of their projects that have benefited mankind as a whole and to think that they'll share that vast knowledge with every human faction there is, is just moronic.

Of course, but at the time, the Illusive Man is trying to help humanity.  He's a bastard, but he does care.  Just our terms for caring work completely different. 

[LTiberious]

Someone With Mass wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Dang, ME3 has a big revelation of Cerberus being bad, and bla bla bla. And how they made everything to you not know that (lol)

But in ME2 you dont ****ing know what is going to happen, so sticking to your intel based on ME1/Me2 only gives a proper choice

///

If it secures human dominance in the galaxy - why not, ffs. 

The funny thing is that it doesn't. It'd only secure Cerberus' dominance (couldn't type that with a straight face), since there are few of their projects that have benefited mankind as a whole and to think that they'll share that vast knowledge with every human faction there is, is just moronic.

Well, as long as Cerberus is pro-human thats fine, right?

[G3rman]

I don't think this would be a problem if the game at least presented other factions to work with other than Cerberus. It makes everything set up to look like Cerberus is your ONLY option when that shouldn't be the case. In my opinion its the same as having no option.

I'm pro-unity, not pro-human dominance.

Modifié par G3rman, 26 janvier 2012 - 09:14 .

[LTiberious]

Council,Alliance? )) didn't that work out for you?

[G3rman]

LTiberious wrote...

Council,Alliance? )) didn't that work out for you?

Considering BioWare dropped the ball, no.

Cerberus being your enemy in ME3, how does that work for you?

[LTiberious]

G3rman wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Council,Alliance? )) didn't that work out for you?

Considering BioWare dropped the ball, no.

Cerberus being your enemy in ME3, how does that work for you?

My enemy is the reapers in ME3, or i'm mistaken?

[G3rman]

If you want to file Cerberus under 'Reaper forces', sure go ahead.

[Lotion Soronarr]

G3rman wrote...

I don't think this would be a problem if the game at least presented other factions to work with other than Cerberus. It makes everything set up to look like Cerberus is your ONLY option when that shouldn't be the case. In my opinion its the same as having no option.

I'm pro-unity, not pro-human dominance.

You are living in a dream world. You cannot stop dominance.
Someone will be dominating one way or another. Why NOT humans?

[G3rman]

Because of course the game is made by humans, the main character is humans, its going to be cliche and have human dominance. That's boring.

At least try for some form of unity, even if it ends in failure you held to your beliefs. It goes back to logical and emotional choices, maybe unity isn't possible but it sure doesn't stop Shepard from trying, or at least it shouldn't.

[Lotion Soronarr]

The game doesn't have human dominance. Currently, the Asari, Turians and Slarians are dominating the galaxy.

You're welecome to try and perserve it in-game, but why you hate your own race that much I will never understand.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
You are living in a dream world. You cannot stop dominance.
Someone will be dominating one way or another. Why NOT humans?

Even better question: Why should one race like the humans be the dominant one? 

Especially when that race can't even clean up its own mess.

[G3rman]

You really jump to 'hate' as your first word to describe a hope to keep a form of balance? Is humanity in such dire straits (totally ignoring the reapers) with the current 'domination' of other species?

No, they aren't. Your thinking is they can be dominant and have things even better so of course we must strive for this.

The way I play my Shepard is humans will forge their place in the galaxy, whether dominating or not, on their own will instead of it being Shepard's influence to do so. The Council races will either prove better than us or we will prove our worth and surpass them naturally because of our race's ability.

If it's totally up to Shepard that humanity becomes dominant, not to mention the fact its because of some terrorist organization leading this dominant humanity, I don't see that as real progress. Maybe you want to fast track your race into fame and then see it fall apart with a terrible foundation, I'd rather let humanity flourish on its own without the Citadel race's ire.

Not going to continue this argument because you and a few others are very unwilling to break from your own thoughts on the ideas.

[LTiberious]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
You are living in a dream world. You cannot stop dominance.
Someone will be dominating one way or another. Why NOT humans?

Even better question: Why should one race like the humans be the dominant one? 

Especially when that race can't even clean up its own mess.

Because they want to?

[Aimi]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You are living in a dream world. You cannot stop dominance.
Someone will be dominating one way or another. Why NOT humans?

Single-hegemon systems are notoriously difficult to maintain. The few that have succeeded for any length of time have tended to rely on overwhelming advantages (like China having by far the greatest population and resources of any of the East Asian states, more than the rest of the region combined, for basically its entire history) instead of temporary system shocks.

Humanity doesn't have those advantages. We don't outnumber the asari, turians, salarians, etc. We don't have a vastly superior military. We aren't biologically superior to any of them in any real way. The foundation of human hegemony would be a temporary system shock, the Battle of the Citadel. And it is almost certain to fail, unless humanity somehow managed to acquire systemic, long-term advantages, or unless humanity somehow made its hegemony appealing to the rest of the galaxy. I don't see the first one happening; Earth is on the brown end of the stick in ME3. And I don't see the second happening, for the simple reason that no state in human history has managed to do it.

By rights, a human-ruled Citadel Council should end up exactly the same as Napoleonic Europe (1807-12), the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (1937/40-45), or Hitlerite Europe (1940-44).

Modifié par daqs, 26 janvier 2012 - 10:54 .

[AlexXIV]

jreezy wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Argumentum ad nauseam

This entire discussion is one big argument ad nauseum. Both sides are repeating the same stuff over and over again.

Yup. I don't know why people just don't wait until Mass Effect 3 comes out to discuss the implications of their Mass Effect 2 end game decision.

Because waiting is the hardest part.

[Someone With Mass]

Luc0s wrote...
Because last time I checked, I'm a human. So of course "human dominance" lies in my line of interests. Why the hell would any human want another alien species in a dominant position?

Since you're a human, human dominance would be benefitial for you. Derp.

If Cerberus is the leader and cause of that domination? Hardly.

I'd walk around in constant fear of being kidnapped as a part of some twisted experiment or something that causes the whole society to revert back to the dark ages because of a super-intelligent AI that went loose and started to wreck everything. Or in fear of anything Cerberus is doing in general, since they can't contain collateral damage for s**t.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
You are living in a dream world. You cannot stop dominance.
Someone will be dominating one way or another. Why NOT humans?

Even better question: Why should one race like the humans be the dominant one? 

Especially when that race can't even clean up its own mess.

Again - why not?
If you can't give a solid reason either for or agaisnt, then it doesn't matter.

And cleaning up mess? Youre talking as if the Council is competent....

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
Because last time I checked, I'm a human. So of course "human dominance" lies in my line of interests. Why the hell would any human want another alien species in a dominant position?

Since you're a human, human dominance would be benefitial for you. Derp.

If Cerberus is the leader and cause of that domination? Hardly.

I'd walk around in constant fear of being kidnapped as a part of some twisted experiment or something that causes the whole society to revert back to the dark ages because of a super-intelligent AI that went loose and started to wreck everything. Or in fear of anything Cerberus is doing in general, since they can't contain collateral damage for s**t.

No, you're beging stupid.

Once dominance is achieved, there would be no need for such experiments anymore.
Cerberus does these experiments because it knows it doesn't have time to go the slow steady and less ethicly quiestionable route.
If the reapers are defeated and humanity achieves dominance...then all Cerberus goals are accomplished.

I'd rather takes human dominance under Cerberus than the dominance of the stupid Council trio...

[Lotion Soronarr]

daqs wrote...
Single-hegemon systems are notoriously difficult to maintain.

Just becasuee it's difficult is no excuse to give up.

Also, how hte blance of pawer changes during and psot ME3 is anyones guess. If Cerberus does take control over the reapers, humanity will have everythnig it needs to be  #1.