darkiddd wrote...
* SNIP*
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
What makes you think the aliens are a big deal?
What gives them the right to rule?Clearly you have little faith as well if you think the best way for
humanity to come to power is giving strength to a terrorist
organization.
Cerberus isn't a terrorist organization
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Goneaviking wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Goneaviking wrote...
Humanity on the council equals longterm stability and widespread influence. Humancentric junta equals resistance and eventual overthrow.
Lol....yea right...
An erudite and educated response, I am humbled by your rhetorical prowess.
Pft.
Like I want to bother writing long reposnse to that. There is no need, since you areally aren't making any point and can't back it up.
A galaxy dominated by humans can be as stable as any other. There's plenty of variables involved, but I guess taking that into account would be too taxing for you?
Just as taking into acoutn what dominance actually means..
Because obviously human dominance means us taking over military style and ruling with an iron fist. That's hte ONLY thing it cna POSSIBLY mean..right?<_<
darkiddd wrote...
Cerberus brings the quote "the end justify the means" to the extreme. They would still do those jerk experiments even after the reapers had been defeated. And I bet 90% of the time they wouldn't even reach their end because let's be honest here. Cerberus usually fails with all they do.
Experiments with rachni- rachni break free on a ship and a colony
Experiments with husks turning colonists into those things- errr... i don't know? people turning into those things? what was the point of doing that to begin with?
Experiments with thorian creepers- thorian plague on another colony
Experiments with thresher maws- two units of alliance marines dead and for what?
Experiments with geth- david takes control of the geth and kills every cerberus operative, almost happens an electronic apocalipse. Because it was totally unpredictable to guess this is what would happen when you plug painfully an autistic and emotionally unstable boy to a machine.
Experiments with reaper tech on grayson- grayson breaks free, kills an entire turian squad, many people on omega, and sends data from the grissom academy to the reapers.
Cerberus tries to retrieve Gillian and unleashes hell on a quarian ship- they don't retrieve Gillian, so many dead for nothing.
Cerberus studies prothean data- one of their operatives sends the info to the geth, other finds out, they fight, everyone dies, the geth now go for the data.
Cerberus studies a "dead" reaper- all the crew ends up indoctrinated, they became husks.
Cerberus pays the blue suns to give them jak- the blue suns betray cerberus and try to capture shepard.
Cerberus builds a biotic program- the station goes rogue, they make horrific experiments on childs, childs rebel, jak kills everyone and escapes.
Cerberus assassinates a ONU diplomat and tries to replace him with one of their own- the diplomat chosen is not who they wanted.
The only thing Cerberus ever did right unquestionably was to resurrect shepard and the new normandy, and even that was almost ****ed up when Wilson tried to sabotage the lazarus project activating the mechs.
That's why I always call Cerberus Failberus. And that's why I never ever give the collector base to them.
Modifié par Medhia Nox, 26 janvier 2012 - 09:31 .
yea we all fill a role and purpose Turians: Heavy hitters have large numbers of dreadnoughtsMedhia Nox wrote...
I agree with Lotion - an America dominated by Americans has been nothing but a paragon of stability. There hasn't been a shred of inequality under our European invader leaders.
Alexander, Temujin, Napoleon, General Cao Cao, the Ceasars - they were all just great humanitarians hoping for "stability"!
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What the "aliens" have done.
- Volus, intergalactic mercantile system.
- Asari, founding an intergalactic government.
- Turians, peace keepers
- Salarians, despite "how" they did it - saved the galaxy from the Rachni.
- The Elcor, Hamlet.
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There's plenty of stories of the galaxy working JUST FINE under the rule of the aliens long before mankind shows up. They're just not the stories being told.
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And I have extrodinarily little faith in a bunch of upjumped apes.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
darkiddd wrote...
* SNIP*
I could go trough your post and debunk each poitn one by one, but it's been done many times before.
There's a long and detailed lsit by Saphra somewhere...
Long story short - you assesment of Cerberus sucesses is deeply flawed.
the almighty moo wrote...
I have a theory that of you save the base, you are attacked by rogue/indoctrinated cerberus troops and cerberus becomes a war asset.
if you destroy it, it just means ol' Illusive Man is pissed off at you and wants you gone for causing so much hassle.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Iamnotahater wrote...
Unlike others I had no problem working with cerberus for our mutual goal (destroying the reapers). But just because I'm working with TIM (Stalin) doesn't mean I'm going to give him the base (codes to our nuclear arsenal)
The logical choice is to either keep the base for the Alliance/Council or destroy the base so noone can have it. Since I wasn't given choice number 1. I choose 2. You want to give the key to galaxy wide domination and mass genocide to a madman go ahead.
Madman? Mass genocide?
You have silly ideas there....
The logical choise is to keep the base.
Modifié par Iamnotahater, 26 janvier 2012 - 09:51 .
Iamnotahater wrote...
It's clear TIM desires a fascist state based on his ethnocentric and
nationalistic views.
To me and many other that’s scary. Hitler scary. I would never put a weapon
like the collector base in the hands of such a person. I would only see one logical
outcome:
The subjugation of the galaxy through either military might or indoctrination…Mass
genocide would result of those who dared opposed human supremacy.
Gabey5 wrote...
Oh boy this debate again?
Destroying the base is the only sensible thing
Cerberus or the Alliance for that matter will get themselves indoctrinated or engage in some other idiocy.
The risks outweigh the benefits and it seems cerberus has found a way to bring back creatures from the Omega 4 relay in the comics and let them loose by accident already.
They are incompetent.
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I could go trough your post and debunk each poitn one by one, but it's been done many times before.
There's a long and detailed lsit by Saphra somewhere...
Long story short - you assesment of Cerberus sucesses is deeply flawed.
Why don't you try, and debunk his/her points anyway? That way you don't seem like a sore loser who's trying to save face.
Medhia Nox wrote...
@Lotion_Soronnar: The Black Plague influenced the world too.
And "Pax Romana" was only for "Romans"
The risk of indoctrination is very relevant.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Brillinat strategy. Ignore the reapers gretest weapon and don't research it because you're paralyzed by your fear of it.
The risk of indoctrination is irrelevant.
The benefits are endless.
Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 janvier 2012 - 10:20 .
Goneaviking wrote...
Of course you don't want to write an actual response, it'd mean acknowledge that there are actual arguments running counter to your screed and that doesn't really mesh well with sneering assertions that your viewpoint is the only logical one.
The Council is only going to be overturned by force, if anyone has a credible idea of how it can be overturned without violence then please feel free to post it and prove my naivety.
Moreover your arguments about the justifiability of Cerberus activities depend on the presupposed need for military advantage. All of those horrendous experiments to create super-soldiers and uber-biotics don't have a lot of non-military applications. If human dominance can be achieved without the use of force, or even without the use of these human-weapons then all their justification disappears instantly.
Even if human dominance, outside of council membership, occurred without violence then there would inevitably be pushback. Overtaken cultures would try to regain their power and influence, smaller powers would attempt to gain more as a means to assuring their own independence, every faction that loses out to human advantage becomes a potential enemy. Regardless of whether human dominance is attained by force or political acumen.
Given Cerberus, and your, assertion that human dominance is an essential endeavour how can you just gloss over the likelihood of a similar faction existing among the hanar, volus, krogan, drell or any other faction not currently in power?
Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 26 janvier 2012 - 10:28 .
Blacklash93 wrote...
The risk of indoctrination is very relevant.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Brillinat strategy. Ignore the reapers gretest weapon and don't research it because you're paralyzed by your fear of it.
The risk of indoctrination is irrelevant.
The benefits are endless.
And giving the Collector Base to small black ops organization with little means to anything with it outside of an ambitious experiment that will probably go horribly wrong? Great plan.
Blacklash93 wrote...
Humanity would become just like the council is now. Humans are just as flawed as the rest of the galaxy's species.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Gabey5 wrote...
Oh boy this debate again?
Destroying the base is the only sensible thing
Cerberus or the Alliance for that matter will get themselves indoctrinated or engage in some other idiocy.
The risks outweigh the benefits and it seems cerberus has found a way to bring back creatures from the Omega 4 relay in the comics and let them loose by accident already.
They are incompetent.
Brillinat strategy. Ignore the reapers gretest weapon and don't research it because you're paralyzed by your fear of it.
The risk of indoctrination is irrelevant.
The benefits are endless.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Blacklash93 wrote...
Humanity would become just like the council is now. Humans are just as flawed as the rest of the galaxy's species.
So?
What does it matter?
Because we're human? Because our kin is human?Eclipse_9990 wrote...
So? So why are you arguing? Humanity isn't any better suited to ruling the galaxy. If you know this then why are you so adamant about human domination?
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