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[Eclipse_9990]

MisterJB wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...
So? So why are you arguing? Humanity isn't any better suited to ruling the galaxy. If you know this then why are you so adamant about human domination? 

Because we're human? Because our kin is human?
Why do you find it so strange for humans to what what's best for their people?

Bold one: Pretty ****ty reason. 

Bold two: I find it strange because its insinuating that humanity is superior, and should rule the galaxy, and dominate the other species. Humanity can barely rule itself, it has no buisiness ruling the galaxy, and several other races alone. I do want good stuff for humanity, but domination? Please its wrong in an ethical sense, and humanity would end up screwing it up anyway.

I think its in humanities best interest to work with the other races, and put aside petty notions of dominance, or galactic rule. Especially with this Reaper **** going on.

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 26 janvier 2012 - 10:48 .

[MisterJB]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Bold one: Pretty ****ty reason. 

Not, it is not. Humans wants to feel safe, happy, accepted. Where can this happen? In human communities.
The next logical step is to wish this community to be strong, to grow.

Bold two: I find it strange because its insinuating that humanity is superior, and should rule the galaxy, and dominate the other species. Humanity can barely rule itself, it has no buisiness ruling the galaxy, and several other races alone. I do want good stuff for humanity, but domination? Please its wrong in an ethical sense, and humanity would end up screwing it up anyway. 
I think its in humanities best interest to work with the other races, and put aside petty notions of dominance, or galactic rule.

Humanity is ruling itself just as well as any other race in the ME universe. Better even.
Sure, we have groups like Terra Firma but at least they don't bomb cities demanding independence from the Alliance like what's happened between the Turian Hierarchy and some terrorist group. And no, Cerberus doesn't do that either.

I don't consider humanity superior to any other race however, all species compete for power. Humanity either joins the competition and does whatever it takes to win, or we will be treated as pets by the aliens or even destroyed.
Also, I have no interest in humanity telling other species what to do. When I speak of human domination, I'm talking about humans being the most advanced race, the one with the largest and most powerful fleet and economy, the one with the most colonies, the one who lives the longest, who has the strongest biotics, the smartest minds, the strongest warriors, the most creative artists, etc.
That's what I want. Cooperation with the other species is desirable but only if we are not diminished by it.

[Eclipse_9990]

MisterJB wrote...

humans being the most advanced race, the one with the largest and most powerful fleet and economy, the one with the most colonies, the one who lives the longest, who has the strongest biotics, the smartest minds, the strongest warriors, the most creative artists, etc.

Not gonna happen. You can't have everything.

The ones with the largest, and most powerful fleet: Turians
The ones with the best economy: Volus
The ones with the most colonies: Asari(?)
The ones who live the longest: Definietly Asari
The ones who have the strongest biotics: Asari again
The smartest minds: Asari, and Salarians.
The strongest warriors: Turians, and Krogans(Maybe Vorcha too).
The most creative artist: Debatable. 

Yeah.. You can strive to be the best at everything, doesn't mean its gonna happen.

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:18 .

[MisterJB]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

humans being the most advanced race, the one with the largest and most powerful fleet and economy, the one with the most colonies, the one who lives the longest, who has the strongest biotics, the smartest minds, the strongest warriors, the most creative artists, etc.

Not gonna happen. You can't have everything.

Yeah.. You can strive to be the best at everything, doesn't mean its gonna happen.

Why not? May things were tought to be impossible before they were done. It's our duty as a people to strive towards superiority in all aspects.

[G3rman]

By ignoring/interfering with the other races? No one species can be that selfish when the fact is species of the galaxy need to work together.

That is the entire point ME3 gets across; no one species can solve a problem.

[Eclipse_9990]

G3rman wrote...

By ignoring/interfering with the other races? No one species can be that selfish when the fact is species of the galaxy need to work together.

That is the entire point ME3 gets across; no one species can solve a problem.

THANK YOU!

[MisterJB]

A single species can solve many problems. One as big as the Reapers? No.

However, like I've said before, cooperation between humans and aliens is desirable but only if humanity is being empowered through this cooperation. If not, then what's the point?
Worse, if humanity is diminished by it like what happened by signing the Treaty of Farixen, then it is not just undesirable, it's unnaceptable.

Modifié par MisterJB, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:37 .

[Blacklash93]

I find the dominance angle trying to justify itself with the "Looking out for your own" argument rather base and illogical.

Really we're all related. Be it by genetics or the incomprehensible workings of all the cosmos. The Asari are one of the few that realize this.

[Blacklash93]

MisterJB wrote...
Worse, if humanity is diminished by it like what happened by signing the Treaty of Farixen, then it is not just undesirable, it's unnaceptable.

It's to promote fairness and equality among all the races. Also stops races from growing crazy with power.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:43 .

[MisterJB]

The asari use it on their favor by making the other species work for them while at the same time replacing their offspring with their own.

[MisterJB]

Blacklash93 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Worse, if humanity is diminished by it like what happened by signing the Treaty of Farixen, then it is not just undesirable, it's unnaceptable.

It's to promote fairness and equality among all the races. Also stops races from growing crazy with power.

No, it's to make sure that no one can ever rebel against the Council. Who gave the asari, turians and salarians the right to rule?
Turians build 5 dreadnoughts, humans can build only one. Right, very fair and equal.

Modifié par MisterJB, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:45 .

[Eclipse_9990]

MisterJB wrote...

The asari use it on their favor by making the other species work for them while at the same time replacing their offspring with their own.

Good god. Are all Cerberus supporters Asari consipiracists? 

MisterJB wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Worse, if humanity is diminished by it like what happened by signing the Treaty of Farixen, then it is not just undesirable, it's unnaceptable.

It's to promote fairness and equality among all the races. Also stops races from growing crazy with power.

Who gave the asari, turians and salarians the right to rule?

They were here first. That give them plenty right. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:46 .

[MisterJB]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The asari use it on their favor by making the other species work for them while at the same time replacing their offspring with their own.

Good god. Are all Cerberus supporters Asari consipiracists? 

Are all Council supporters asari apologists?

[Blacklash93]

MisterJB wrote...

The asari use it on their favor by making the other species work for them while at the same time replacing their offspring with their own.

But it's true. We're all connected in some way. The Asari do not use that angle to get others to work for them and that is simply what they believe.

[Eclipse_9990]

MisterJB wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The asari use it on their favor by making the other species work for them while at the same time replacing their offspring with their own.

Good god. Are all Cerberus supporters Asari consipiracists? 

Are all Council supporters asari apologists?

Is that a bad thing to be? :3

All I know is Cerberus supporters were wrong about Cerberus, yet do everything they can to justify their choices. Even though Mass Effect 3, and Mass Effect 1 proves that they were wrong. Cerberus fans sure are funny people.

Consipiracists, human supremists, claim to use logic when that very logic defies their choices. Funny, funny people. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:49 .

[G3rman]

So you are saying that if humans were the first to settle the Citadel and come up with the general idea of galactic government, they shouldn't have the right to lead at least by age/experience?

Long founding institutions like the Citadel council can't just be changed immediately because some newcomer doesn't like it, the humans either work in the system provided and prove their worth or they forcefully change the system to their own liking but alienate the rest of the galaxy in their lust for power. You are basically proving all the alien conspiracy theorists right about Humanity's true nature, congrats for making us look terrible.

[Eclipse_9990]

G3rman wrote...

So you are saying that if humans were the first to settle the Citadel and come up with the general idea of galactic government, they shouldn't have the right to lead at least by age/experience?

If they were first then humanity would have the right. If they have the experience why shouldn't they rule/influence? Who would you rather have as the leader? A wise old veteran who knows all the tricks of the trade, or some rash up, and coming rookie who doesn't know his dickhole, from his ass****? I'll take the vet. 

But humanity wasn't first. It was the Asari, and the other species. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:52 .

[Blacklash93]

MisterJB wrote...
No, it's to make sure that no one can ever rebel against the Council. Who gave the asari, turians and salarians the right to rule?

The fact that they found the Citadel and established intergalactic civilizations first? That doesn't give them the right to rule, but what can be said for humanity? What would give anyone the right to rule over others?

Turians build 5 dreadnoughts, humans can build only one. Right, very fair and equal.

Would you let a stranger outmatch your army when you don't trust them and know little about them?

[MisterJB]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...
They were here first. That give them plenty right. 

No, it does not. The only reason they are able to pass down judgement to species that they consider to be their lessers is because they have the most guns.
Well, humans know how to build guns as well and we're better at firing them than the hanar, the volus or the elcor.

Blacklash93 wrote...
But it's true. We're all connected in some way.

Not, it's not. A human is a human, a turian is a turian.

The Asari do not use that angle to get others to work for them

Really? Who has the largest economy in the galaxy? The asari.
And yet, who provides the largest number of ships for the Citadel Fleet? Turians and humans by the time of ME2.
Who provides the Council with intel? The salarians.

that is simply what they believe.

They believe in being the most influential species in the galaxy, just like everyone else.

[MisterJB]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Is that a bad thing to be? :3

If it hurts your people? Sure.
Otherwise, I have no right to judge what those huma/asari couples do in the privacy of their rooms.

All I know is Cerberus supporters were wrong about Cerberus, yet do everything they can to justify their choices. Even though Mass Effect 3, and Mass Effect 1 proves that they were wrong. Cerberus fans sure are funny people.

Did I defend Cerberus or simply argue for a more human positive agenda? There is a difference, you know?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I blew the Collector Base to hell and I'm PROUD of it!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:59 .

[Eclipse_9990]

DP

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 27 janvier 2012 - 12:02 .

[seirhart]

@MisterJB

"humans being the most advanced race, the one with the largest and most powerful fleet and economy, the one with the most colonies, the one who lives the longest, who has the strongest biotics, the smartest minds, the strongest warriors, the most creative artists, etc."

This will never happen ever, simply for the reason we do not or will not need be better than every single thing in the universe. The other races will always be better than the humans in other areas, and the whole point of ME 3 is cooperation.

[Eclipse_9990]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I blew the Collector Base to hell and I'm PROUD of it!

[Drone223]

In such a huge galaxy humanity will need allies, there will be times where a situation will be too much for humanity to handle alone and will need assistance, If humanity starts co-operating with other species,they will be more willing to help when the time comes

Modifié par Drone223, 27 janvier 2012 - 12:05 .