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[tetrisblock4x1]

Well, it's a frigate so it's faster, has a much smaller crew, stealth systems, and a cannon which can easily destroy the collector ship. I suppose it's a lot more fragile, but the fact that it can dodge somewhat. Can also pick it's battles, choose how, when and where to engage. Could probably build a few normandies for the resources that would go into a single cruiser, so.... why build a cruiser when you can build a small strike group of frigates which are harder to detect, harder to shoot at, and can punch through a reaper?

Edit: a lot of people are bringing up the point that normandy = a heavy crusier in price. While that may have been the case originally, there is an important distinction here between resource requirments and the galactic economy. The materials it takes to build the normandy are trivial compared to a heavy cruiser.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:34 .

[G3rman]

It's not, all scenes shown so far are the good ol' Alliance ships that are fully battle tested and designed for fighting.

The new Normandy is way too expensive to build even a few of them and stealth systems are useless in galactic war, you need armor and survivability. Besides, a lot of its systems are prototype and not proven to last in long-term engagements. If anything its a perfect ship for a Spectre, but not mainstream military.

The original SR-1 Normandy was said to be so expensive a flotilla of cruisers could have been built instead. Just think what the prototype SR-2 would cost..

Not to mention the Alliance only had six months from the end of ME2 and Shepard's surrender to examine the ship, not enough to replicate the designs and build it.

Modifié par G3rman, 26 janvier 2012 - 04:54 .

[mkk316]

Did the sr2 cost as much as the sr1? That would be the main reason i think.

Modifié par mkk316, 26 janvier 2012 - 04:55 .

[G3rman]

mkk316 wrote...

Did the sr2 cost as much as the sr1? That would be the main reason i think.

Easily more, remember all the upgrades that made it more effective than the original (which again were all prototypes and very expensive/unstable).

[tetrisblock4x1]

G3rman wrote...

It's not, all scenes shown so far are the good ol' Alliance ships that are fully battle tested and designed for fighting.

The new Normandy is way too expensive to build even a few of them and stealth systems are useless in galactic war, you need armor and survivability. Besides, a lot of its systems are prototype and not proven to last in long-term engagements. If anything its a perfect ship for a Spectre, but not mainstream military.

The original SR-1 Normandy was said to be so expensive a flotilla of cruisers could have been built instead. Just think what the prototype SR-2 would cost..

Not to mention the Alliance only had six months from the end of ME2 and Shepard's surrender to examine the ship, not enough to replicate the designs and build it.

Obviously they'd remove the useless things. The stealth system if I recall was half of the orignial normandies cost. But I'm not sure you noticed that the reapers coverage is not quite 100%. They can't quite seem to reach far enough to do anything about rear attacks, so if a few stealth ships can get behind them in some hit and run attacks then that would be just great. They wouldn't even  need stealth since they're just that fast that they can hit reapers who are concentrating on attacking other large vessles.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:13 .

[Dewart]

G3rman wrote...

It's not, all scenes shown so far are the good ol' Alliance ships that are fully battle tested and designed for fighting.

The new Normandy is way too expensive to build even a few of them and stealth systems are useless in galactic war, you need armor and survivability. Besides, a lot of its systems are prototype and not proven to last in long-term engagements. If anything its a perfect ship for a Spectre, but not mainstream military.

The original SR-1 Normandy was said to be so expensive a flotilla of cruisers could have been built instead. Just think what the prototype SR-2 would cost..

Not to mention the Alliance only had six months from the end of ME2 and Shepard's surrender to examine the ship, not enough to replicate the designs and build it.

Actually the original normandy was said to cost as much as a single heavy cruiser.
The drive core would have cost the same as 12000 fighters.
still a lot just not quite a flotilla of cruisers.

[mkk316]

Yeah that makes sense. I thought it was just having such a powerful drive core in such a small ship that did it.

[Dewart]

so basically you could have a fleet of heavy cruisers or a fleet of original normandys for the same price.

Modifié par Dewart, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:14 .

[ParagonForLife]

G3rman wrote...

mkk316 wrote...

Did the sr2 cost as much as the sr1? That would be the main reason i think.

Easily more, remember all the upgrades that made it more effective than the original (which again were all prototypes and very expensive/unstable).

The Normandy can take on Crusiers and Destroyers but it cant really fight large numbers of ships its built for Stealth so scouting and hit and run attacks a reaper destroyer will probally have almost no chance to down the normandy and a Reaper Cruiser will probally do about as well as the Collector ship only alot of them will be somthing to worry about

[G3rman]

Dewart wrote...

G3rman wrote...

It's not, all scenes shown so far are the good ol' Alliance ships that are fully battle tested and designed for fighting.

The new Normandy is way too expensive to build even a few of them and stealth systems are useless in galactic war, you need armor and survivability. Besides, a lot of its systems are prototype and not proven to last in long-term engagements. If anything its a perfect ship for a Spectre, but not mainstream military.

The original SR-1 Normandy was said to be so expensive a flotilla of cruisers could have been built instead. Just think what the prototype SR-2 would cost..

Not to mention the Alliance only had six months from the end of ME2 and Shepard's surrender to examine the ship, not enough to replicate the designs and build it.

Actually the original normandy was said to cost as much as a single heavy cruiser.
The drive core would have cost the same as 12000 fighters.
still a lot just not quite a flotilla of cruisers.

Could have sworn I heard something from that racist Admiral about a flotilla or picket of frigates/cruisers.  Ah well, I knew it cost something crazy.

Regardless, they would not have had time to produce it nor did they have reason to.  It was a stealth ship designed for what a Spectre is involved with doing, not a military type ship.  They would be caught in the crossfire of an actual skirmish and be easily destroyed.

I like the original Alliance ship models, they look interesting. (Although I would like to see an interior mapping of one as they seem quite cramped.)

[tetrisblock4x1]

Dewart wrote...

G3rman wrote...

It's not, all scenes shown so far are the good ol' Alliance ships that are fully battle tested and designed for fighting.

The new Normandy is way too expensive to build even a few of them and stealth systems are useless in galactic war, you need armor and survivability. Besides, a lot of its systems are prototype and not proven to last in long-term engagements. If anything its a perfect ship for a Spectre, but not mainstream military.

The original SR-1 Normandy was said to be so expensive a flotilla of cruisers could have been built instead. Just think what the prototype SR-2 would cost..

Not to mention the Alliance only had six months from the end of ME2 and Shepard's surrender to examine the ship, not enough to replicate the designs and build it.

Actually the original normandy was said to cost as much as a single heavy cruiser.
The drive core would have cost the same as 12000 fighters.
still a lot just not quite a flotilla of cruisers.

Well that doesn't sound plausible at all. what the **** are these heavy crusiers made of that a frigate sized ship with a couple of torpedos and a prototype engine are equally costly? You know what, I don't think whoever wrote that bit of dialoge put much thought into it, or they have a really weird sense of economic scaling.

[G3rman]

Dewart wrote...

so basically you could have a fleet of heavy cruisers or a fleet of original normandys for the same price.

And any Admiral would take the heavy cruisers, more survivable and proven effective in open conflict.  These are giant killer machines we are fighting, not aliens that have homeworlds to spy on.

The Normandy is needed for someone like Shepard that needs to get somewhere fast and without detection, but will not be useful by the actual ships defending planets or taking the fight to Reapers.

[frozngecko]

Dewart wrote...

so basically you could have a fleet of heavy cruisers or a fleet of original normandys for the same price.

Pretty much.

I say, just outfit the dreadnoughts and heavy cruisers with mroe of the Turian cannon upgrades that were given to the Normandy. If it could destroy a Collector Cruiser, a few of those just might take out a Reaper.

Modifié par frozngecko, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:21 .

[Dewart]

rear admiral Mikhailovich yep thats the one. he states that the normandy is overdesigned and then says "do you realize we could have had a heavy cruiser..." after his inspection and he gets into talking about the drive core he says they could have had 12000 fighters for the cost of it. you probably combined the two seperate things together.

[Aimi]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Well that doesn't sound plausible at all. what the **** are these heavy crusiers made of that a frigate sized ship with a couple of torpedos and a prototype engine are equally costly? You know what, I don't think whoever wrote that bit of dialoge put much thought into it, or they have a really weird sense of economic scaling.

It was mostly down to the drive core, IIRC, and the experimental stealth systems. Prototype equipment is always more expensive than field-tested standbys are, and eezo in particular ain't cheap. I don't think it's ridiculous, but it's definitely a lot more costly than you'd expect.

[ParagonForLife]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Dewart wrote...

G3rman wrote...

It's not, all scenes shown so far are the good ol' Alliance ships that are fully battle tested and designed for fighting.

The new Normandy is way too expensive to build even a few of them and stealth systems are useless in galactic war, you need armor and survivability. Besides, a lot of its systems are prototype and not proven to last in long-term engagements. If anything its a perfect ship for a Spectre, but not mainstream military.

The original SR-1 Normandy was said to be so expensive a flotilla of cruisers could have been built instead. Just think what the prototype SR-2 would cost..

Not to mention the Alliance only had six months from the end of ME2 and Shepard's surrender to examine the ship, not enough to replicate the designs and build it.

Actually the original normandy was said to cost as much as a single heavy cruiser.
The drive core would have cost the same as 12000 fighters.
still a lot just not quite a flotilla of cruisers.

Well that doesn't sound plausible at all. what the **** are these heavy crusiers made of that a frigate sized ship with a couple of torpedos and a prototype engine are equally costly? You know what, I don't think whoever wrote that bit of dialoge put much thought into it, or they have a really weird sense of economic scaling.

its because the normandy has co-opted turian tech so its going to be more costly it has an oversized mass effect core larger then that in I think a Dreadnaught its also a stealth ship which makes it cost alot more and it has advanced Electronic Warfare and Scaning/Detection Equipment so thats why it costs so much

[Dewart]

frozngecko wrote...

Dewart wrote...

so basically you could have a fleet of heavy cruisers or a fleet of original normandys for the same price.

No, either a fleet of heavy cruisers or one Normandy-class for the same price.

I say, just outfit the dreadnoughts and heavy cruisers with mroe of the Turian cannon upgrades that were given to the Normandy. If it could destroy a Collector Cruiser, a few of those just might take out a Reaper.

nope actually 1 original normandy = 1 heavy cruiser

1 normandy drive core = 12 000 fighters

here is proof

[tetrisblock4x1]

Yeah, that's a completely blatant exaggeration. The cost of the building a cruiser hull alone should be equal to thousands of fighter ships.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:24 .

[Aimi]

Dewart wrote...

nope actually 1 original normandy = 1 heavy cruiser

1 normandy drive core = 12 000 fighters

here is proof

You missed his ninjaedit. 

[Dewart]

dang edit ninjas

[tetrisblock4x1]

I''m pretty sure that the whole economic climate and the turian/human technology sharing was the main price factor in the building of the normandy. Considering how much of a threat that the reaper fleets are, I would hope that people would stop thinking in terms of profit and start thinking in terms quantity of raw material which would distributed fairly and without pay. There is no way that any frigate would require all of the raw resources of a capital ship.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:27 .

[G3rman]

Well if you remember correctly, there aren't many people believing in Reapers until the start of ME3 so..

[ParagonForLife]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

I''m pretty sure that the whole economic climate and the turian/human technology sharing was the main price factor in the building of the normandy. Considering how much of a threat that the reaper fleets are, I would hope that people would stop thinking in terms of profit and start thinking in terms quantity of raw material which would distributed fairly and without pay.

I dont think a normandy can be built in large numbers as they only fill a specific role Carriers and Dreadnaughts will allways be around as the Normandy can fill those roles 

[tetrisblock4x1]

There is a 2 year gap between ME 2 and 3, right? MY ME obsession hasn't advanced to the point where I've been looking through comics and twitter to fill in the gaps... haven't even played some of the DLC yet.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:31 .

[Dewart]

so since 1 normandy = 1 heavy cruiser
the cruiser has armor and is slow but the normandy is stealth and speed
and each cruiser probably has double or tripple the crew of a single normandy
so I would say if you fought a battle with a fleet of normandy it would save more human lives