I loved Dragon Age: Origins, it's been quite some time since an RPG has interested me like this game. But i feel that EA rushed Dragon Age 2 into production and ultimately damaged the series cause of it. EA should have given Bioware the much need time to develop it and refine it. The dungeons and locales were reused, the Champion's feats doesn't feel like they compare to the Hero's feats, even though they claim the Champion is more important, the combet was fresh and new, but it still felt as though it took a step in the wrong direction ... to name a few ... I feel that they should have not released it until they were finished with the Mass Effect trilogy, and they should have been using the time to make a spectacular game, that i know Dragon Age to be.
I wouldn't mind waiting a few years for another Dragon Age: Origins or better, instead of waiting a year for another Dragon Age 2. If any of you agree then show some support and let's get this message across, and if your an EA or Bioware employee, please don't "kill" this great series.
EA should give Bioware more time to develop Dragon Age 3
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 07:14
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I certainly hope they take their time on this one. The other design mistakes were forgivable. Recycled enviroments were not.
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 07:21
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They'd better not release DA3 before 2014... I'd be fine with 2015 personally, means they spent lots of time on it at least.
I mean look at GTA IV... a blockbuster hit game (one I never played heh) that came out in 2008 ... it's more than 4 years later and the next game is expected either this year or next year.. that's a proper dev time for a game that deserves to be treated well.
I don't want to see a DA game every 1-2 years.... 3-4 years minimum. Do it right or don't do it all.
I mean look at GTA IV... a blockbuster hit game (one I never played heh) that came out in 2008 ... it's more than 4 years later and the next game is expected either this year or next year.. that's a proper dev time for a game that deserves to be treated well.
I don't want to see a DA game every 1-2 years.... 3-4 years minimum. Do it right or don't do it all.
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 07:27
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I'm more of the opinion of setting goals that are realistic, and then allowing for those goals to be completed if they go over time rather than rushing crap out the door. The number of years is irrelevant, instead it should be the time needed to accomplish x amount of polish. ME3 has it right so far, we couldn't make the deadline, so we pushed the game back 3 months. Had DA2 done that I wonder how much better of a game we would have recieved. I've enjoyed its non-rushed DLC thus far.
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 07:37
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Agreed.
I also would like BioWare to choose their own Marketing without anyone who has done any marketing work with EA.
Quite frankly since EA took over - the marketing itself has been atrocious.
I also would like BioWare to choose their own Marketing without anyone who has done any marketing work with EA.
Quite frankly since EA took over - the marketing itself has been atrocious.
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 07:49
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I'd be ok with March 2014. There are several issues they might run into, however.
1). A new system comes out, and they have to rework the import feature (annoying, but definitely possible). Also, they wouldn't want to necessarily release a game for an old system if a new system has just been released, and releasing it on both this generation an the upcomin generation of consoles could prove costly (I don't know all of the logistics and could be incorrect, however).
2). We live in an instant gratification culture. Unless a series is very strong and established with a very devoted fanbase, a game that takes five years to develop my cease to become relevant. The Elder Scrolls series has this fanbase, and I would assume that Grand Theft Auto does as well (both being established series that span a number of years). I don't think Dragon Age is rooted deeply enough to maintain that kind of following yet, especially after DA2.
Push come to shove, I just want a really strong game. If they can do it in two years, wonderful. I don't know how feasible that would be, however,
1). A new system comes out, and they have to rework the import feature (annoying, but definitely possible). Also, they wouldn't want to necessarily release a game for an old system if a new system has just been released, and releasing it on both this generation an the upcomin generation of consoles could prove costly (I don't know all of the logistics and could be incorrect, however).
2). We live in an instant gratification culture. Unless a series is very strong and established with a very devoted fanbase, a game that takes five years to develop my cease to become relevant. The Elder Scrolls series has this fanbase, and I would assume that Grand Theft Auto does as well (both being established series that span a number of years). I don't think Dragon Age is rooted deeply enough to maintain that kind of following yet, especially after DA2.
Push come to shove, I just want a really strong game. If they can do it in two years, wonderful. I don't know how feasible that would be, however,
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 07:56
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It will be out in 2013 even though I fully support delaying it as long as possible. Every day that goes by without an official announcement makes is good. Hopefully they really are working on it longer and not just saying anything because of ME3 and Dragon Age 2 DLC havent been finished yet.
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 09:05
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Hathur wrote...
I don't want to see a DA game every 1-2 years.... 3-4 years minimum. Do it right or don't do it all.
If they can reuse at least some art, sound, code, and lore, then I don't see why they shouldn't be able to release a good game every 2 years. Taking 4 years to develop a sequel in the same universe, when the original took 5, is a bit of an overreaction imo.
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 04:04
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You are preaching to the choir, OP.
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 04:12
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Back in the day EA called it self Electronic Arts, back then their games were good now it's all about making money of children's parents, and they keep pumping out this garbage each year it's worse.
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Posté 26 janvier 2012 - 04:16
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Having a DA game come out every two years would be fine with me. Grant you as long as it showed they made an effort then I would happy with it. Perfection should not be expected. I was amongst the few that liked DA 2 and thought it was a great game. Grant you I prefer DA: O to it.
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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 10:28
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Thank you for supporting the cause lol and...
This is exactly what i meant. i don't care if it takes them 1 year or 4 years to make DA3 "complete", but realisticly there is no way they can do it in 1 year, we all seen how DA2 turned out. I just want it to be as great as the original. I'm not saying DA2 is a horrible game, i am a DA fan after all, it is still in my collection and i still play it and i only keep "great" games, anything below "great" i eventually trade in. but it seems Bioware made some mistakes in DA2 that they didn't make in DA:O. It seems as they moved backwards rather then forwards.
DiebytheSword wrote...
The number of years is irrelevant, instead it should be the time needed to accomplish x amount of polish.
This is exactly what i meant. i don't care if it takes them 1 year or 4 years to make DA3 "complete", but realisticly there is no way they can do it in 1 year, we all seen how DA2 turned out. I just want it to be as great as the original. I'm not saying DA2 is a horrible game, i am a DA fan after all, it is still in my collection and i still play it and i only keep "great" games, anything below "great" i eventually trade in. but it seems Bioware made some mistakes in DA2 that they didn't make in DA:O. It seems as they moved backwards rather then forwards.
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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 10:37
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Dragon age 3 should come out on the next generation console. It would be good actually. I think they need to revamp their development cycle too. Longer development time does not mean better development cycle really. But i agree yes they should be given more tie
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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:36
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To be honest they probably need a better engine and development tools so that they can produce more in the time they are given...
But yeah please please don't release this game before it is ready !
Gaider has done an amazing job in creating the DA universe. It really deserved better than DA2 and another sub par game might be the death knell for the franchise... which would be terrible given the fantastic world they have created.
But yeah please please don't release this game before it is ready !
Gaider has done an amazing job in creating the DA universe. It really deserved better than DA2 and another sub par game might be the death knell for the franchise... which would be terrible given the fantastic world they have created.
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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:02
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That is why i suggest that for the next game they should switch to the unreal game engine. It will be a big boost for themculletron1 wrote...
To be honest they probably need a better engine and development tools so that they can produce more in the time they are given...
But yeah please please don't release this game before it is ready !
Gaider has done an amazing job in creating the DA universe. It really deserved better than DA2 and another sub par game might be the death knell for the franchise... which would be terrible given the fantastic world they have created.
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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:45
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I'm pretty sure Bioware and EA agree on the deadlines.
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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 01:28
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You guys have to realize that if DA2 was given more time it would've turned out more or less the same. More polish and detail, but the craptastic elements wouldn't have been any different.
CDPR made TW2 in 3 years. They created a BRAND NEW engine, and revamped almost everything. A long dev time isn't necessary, and those who say "i don't wanna see it before 2019" are quite ignorant to necessary dev time. A longer dev time doesn't make a good game.
CDPR made TW2 in 3 years. They created a BRAND NEW engine, and revamped almost everything. A long dev time isn't necessary, and those who say "i don't wanna see it before 2019" are quite ignorant to necessary dev time. A longer dev time doesn't make a good game.
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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 01:30
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Yeah. This is one thing I often think about. While DA2 was obviously rushed, I still don't think I'd really like DA2 all that much more than I already do since a good part of what I dislike about it is what seems to just be the general new direction.Gibb_Shepard wrote...
You guys have to realize that if DA2 was given more time it would've turned out more or less the same. More polish and detail, but the craptastic elements wouldn't have been any different.
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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 01:37
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Is DA3 really in development? I thought it was already canned as far as DA2 was concerned?
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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 01:47
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No. They're still easily continuing development on DA3? DA2 still made a profit even if it was only because of DAO. Ultimately, it'll be DA3 that decides the future of the Dragon Age series since it doesn't have as good of a reputation to rely on. Making another Dragon Age game is also still much more reliable money-wise than trying to make a new series, so it would have to do pretty badly to get scrapped.Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...
Is DA3 really in development? I thought it was already canned as far as DA2 was concerned?
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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 01:51
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Depends what elements you dislike. Elements such as the area re-use and encounter design certainly would have been improved. I'd argue that Act 3 probably would have been improved as it wouldn't have been as rushed. Plus I think things like the elf re-design would have been improved with more time to work on indvidual models.Gibb_Shepard wrote...
You guys have to realize that if DA2 was given more time it would've turned out more or less the same. More polish and detail, but the craptastic elements wouldn't have been any different.
IMHO it would have ended up with a reception more similar to ME2.
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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 01:55
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With time, patience, and effort anything is possible.
Is the Dragon Age team up to the task? I have my doubts, but time will tell.
Is the Dragon Age team up to the task? I have my doubts, but time will tell.
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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 02:01
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Complete speculation.Morroian wrote...
Depends what elements you dislike. Elements such as the area re-use and encounter design certainly would have been improved. I'd argue that Act 3 probably would have been improved as it wouldn't have been as rushed. Plus I think things like the elf re-design would have been improved with more time to work on indvidual models.Gibb_Shepard wrote...
You guys have to realize that if DA2 was given more time it would've turned out more or less the same. More polish and detail, but the craptastic elements wouldn't have been any different.
IMHO it would have ended up with a reception more similar to ME2.
You're dreaming, absolutely dreaming if you think it would've had the same reception as ME2. ME was always an Action-RPG, what they did to Dragon Age would've garnered ****loads of fanrage no matter how much dev time they had.
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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 02:20
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Not when you consider that the response to the dlc which fixed some of those issues was largely positive from people who disliked DA2.Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Complete speculation.Morroian wrote...
Depends what elements you dislike. Elements such as the area re-use and encounter design certainly would have been improved. I'd argue that Act 3 probably would have been improved as it wouldn't have been as rushed. Plus I think things like the elf re-design would have been improved with more time to work on indvidual models.
IMHO it would have ended up with a reception more similar to ME2.
You're dreaming, absolutely dreaming if you think it would've had the same reception as ME2. ME was always an Action-RPG, what they did to Dragon Age would've garnered ****loads of fanrage no matter how much dev time they had.
Oh and you're speculating just as much as I am.
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