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[WaPuS]

ta9798 wrote...

I think they should take their time and not be forced to a tight schedule. I have high hopes that they will have seen and heard the fan's reactions and learn and thus I'm willing to wait for a good game that has depth and quality 2014 is fine for me. If the game is rushed, like it was for Dragon age 2 just because it could run on the great success of Dragon age Origins, then I doubt I will purchase anymore games from EA/Bioware since it will appear like (EA and other management) does not care to let Bioware have the freedom and resources to create a quality game like Bioware has done in the past.

Well Bioware just pulled the dev team on a Dragon Age 2 dlc for "other dragon age related opportunities". Which means it's in development. This is entirely SPECULATION, but i think we can expect DA3 1st quarter 2013, but wouldn't mind seeing till 1st quarter 2014.

Edit: Here's the link http://xbox360.ign.c.../1221115p1.html

Modifié par WaPuS, 30 mars 2012 - 05:16 .

[FedericoV]

I just hope that the rush in Bioware's game of late was caused by the damn SW MMO and that now that Kotor is out, release will be more focused on quality than quantity.

[icykitty]

 agree with the topic totally! i could wait for well, 2 or even 3yrs for a good DA game, don't rush it!

[t003]

The game really needs a summer or fall 2014 release

Modifié par t003, 31 mars 2012 - 01:43 .

[speedrack]

music to my ears............it will be done when it is done.

[musicalfrog7]

To those of you who are saying it wouldn't have been any different with more time:

The level design/world design developers aren't the only ones who get rushed. Everyone gets rushed. That includes the writers and general story planners too. Think about it.

[Midz]

There are lists of video and PC games that failed as a result of being rushed .....E.T been the most obvious , but there is also a list of games with long long development that were as bad .The meme that time is the answer is far from provable.

[The Harmonizer]

Even Ubisoft is giving their teams more time to finish their games, just look at Assasins Creed 3 having 3 years of development time.....I thought EA meant it, when the started focusing on more quality. Didnt last long tho.....back to bad old EA as they used to be.

[slashthedragon]

WaPuS wrote...

ta9798 wrote...

I think they should take their time and not be forced to a tight schedule. I have high hopes that they will have seen and heard the fan's reactions and learn and thus I'm willing to wait for a good game that has depth and quality 2014 is fine for me. If the game is rushed, like it was for Dragon age 2 just because it could run on the great success of Dragon age Origins, then I doubt I will purchase anymore games from EA/Bioware since it will appear like (EA and other management) does not care to let Bioware have the freedom and resources to create a quality game like Bioware has done in the past.

Well Bioware just pulled the dev team on a Dragon Age 2 dlc for "other dragon age related opportunities". Which means it's in development. This is entirely SPECULATION, but i think we can expect DA3 1st quarter 2013, but wouldn't mind seeing till 1st quarter 2014.

Edit: Here's the link http://xbox360.ign.c.../1221115p1.html

Unless of course the next big thing they are working on is a DA MMORPG.

[Davillo]

I would play DA MMORPG if it was a standalone game set in Thedas, I;m still anticipating DA3. So maybe they could release the MMO after DA:3 huh? How bout this you select a race whatever you want and than the world is the post mage-templar war setting. I thing that would be a money cow for both EA and Bio so I don't see a reason why they would not do it. The game would have to be perfect though it would have to be a solid engine like DA2 but better and the combat would have to be really good too not like wow or something of that type it has to be SOLID.

[Davillo]

Look at how many damn Need for Speed games EA is pumping out? I used to like NFS in back in pre Underground and also past underground days but now damn,I can't deny the games got better but there is just so much of them. I have not finished Shift 1 yet and Shift 2 is out, and I'm a type of guy who needs to play the series from the start.

[slashthedragon]

Davillo wrote...

I would play DA MMORPG if it was a standalone game set in Thedas, I;m still anticipating DA3. So maybe they could release the MMO after DA:3 huh? How bout this you select a race whatever you want and than the world is the post mage-templar war setting. I thing that would be a money cow for both EA and Bio so I don't see a reason why they would not do it. The game would have to be perfect though it would have to be a solid engine like DA2 but better and the combat would have to be really good too not like wow or something of that type it has to be SOLID.

I think I would try a DA MMORPG, just because I like the social aspect.  I used to play Nexus' Dark Ages MMORPG mostly for the chat and genuinely funny conversations my group and I had.  I'm not so big on grinds and such, but maybe they could come up with something better.
If there ever is a DA MMORPG, players NEED to be able to hang out in a pub and play cards with one another.

[WaPuS]

Midz wrote...

There are lists of video and PC games that failed as a result of being rushed .....E.T been the most obvious , but there is also a list of games with long long development that were as bad .The meme that time is the answer is far from provable.

Yes you have a point, but i'm not comparing DA to other games as i've stated before. There is only one game i'm comparing DA2 to and that is it's predecessor DA:O. DA:O had a very long development time and look what BW did with it and then look at what BW did with the ME trilogy. Now compare all that to the rushed DA2 and i think that is proof enough. When i say it needs a long development time i mean "longer", it doesn't have to be 5 years like Origins, but it certainly doesn't work with a 2 year dev time. Personally i think BW found a comfortable dev time through its trial and error phase of both its ME and DA series.

[WaPuS]

slashthedragon wrote...

WaPuS wrote...

ta9798 wrote...

I think they should take their time and not be forced to a tight schedule. I have high hopes that they will have seen and heard the fan's reactions and learn and thus I'm willing to wait for a good game that has depth and quality 2014 is fine for me. If the game is rushed, like it was for Dragon age 2 just because it could run on the great success of Dragon age Origins, then I doubt I will purchase anymore games from EA/Bioware since it will appear like (EA and other management) does not care to let Bioware have the freedom and resources to create a quality game like Bioware has done in the past.

Well Bioware just pulled the dev team on a Dragon Age 2 dlc for "other dragon age related opportunities". Which means it's in development. This is entirely SPECULATION, but i think we can expect DA3 1st quarter 2013, but wouldn't mind seeing till 1st quarter 2014.

Edit: Here's the link http://xbox360.ign.c.../1221115p1.html

Unless of course the next big thing they are working on is a DA MMORPG.

Oh god i hope not :-/ Sorry for all those who like them, but DA is a very story driven game and MMORPG's generally aren't very story driven. I've played The Old Republic and even though of all the cutscenes and storylines i still didn't feel like i was making a difference. I like seeing my world change as I change it and no one offers that better then BW. A DA MMO would kill the DA series for me.

[FieryDove]

I have said this before. EA should give the Bioware division (and only them) unlimited budget/time.
I am not a major stockholder so EA ignores me. Sigh

[Fast Jimmy]

Well, to be fair, the time period between DAO being released to DA2 was sixteen months. It has already been almost fourteen months since DA2's release, so unless DA3 is coming out in June this year, they will be giving a (theoretical) longer development cycle.

[Realmzmaster]

FieryDove wrote...

I have said this before. EA should give the Bioware division (and only them) unlimited budget/time.
I am not a major stockholder so EA ignores me. Sigh

I doubt EA would even listen to a major shareholder who said give the DA team an unlimited budget and time. In fact no major stockholder would even suggest giving a project unlimited budget and time.

Many seem to think it was the heads of EA that set the schedule. If the bosses came to the development team and said can you get DA2 out in 2 years or less and the team agreed to that timetable who is at fault?

The task as a boss is to get product out to be sold and make profit. The team tells the boss they can do it. The boss is going to hold them to that scedule unless the team comes back and says we need more time. Now the boss has a decision to make give more time and money or have them wrap it up and meet the deadline.

[Realmzmaster]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Well, to be fair, the time period between DAO being released to DA2 was sixteen months. It has already been almost fourteen months since DA2's release, so unless DA3 is coming out in June this year, they will be giving a (theoretical) longer development cycle.

The team probably started the concepts of DA3 right after DA2 shipped. So hopefully the development time will be longer that way complaints, praise, and  suggestions will be incorporated into DA3. How that will be done is up to Bioware.

[WaPuS]

E3 right around the corner and from what it seems to me to be a nice Mass Effect like development cycle I am excited to see if Bioware showcases DA3.

[Emzamination]

Hathur wrote...

They'd better not release DA3 before 2014... I'd be fine with 2015 personally, means they spent lots of time on it at least.

I mean look at GTA IV... a blockbuster hit game (one I never played heh) that came out in 2008 ... it's more than 4 years later and the next game is expected either this year or next year.. that's a proper dev time for a game that deserves to be treated well.

I don't want to see a DA game every 1-2 years.... 3-4 years minimum. Do it right or don't do it all.

Are you insane? You realize me,you,the writers,devs,voice actors and everything else organic ages right? No one is going to put up with 2 game releases a decade.A new entry every 1-2 years is just right.

[hussey 92]

Emzamination wrote...

Hathur wrote...

They'd better not release DA3 before 2014... I'd be fine with 2015 personally, means they spent lots of time on it at least.

I mean look at GTA IV... a blockbuster hit game (one I never played heh) that came out in 2008 ... it's more than 4 years later and the next game is expected either this year or next year.. that's a proper dev time for a game that deserves to be treated well.

I don't want to see a DA game every 1-2 years.... 3-4 years minimum. Do it right or don't do it all.

Are you insane? You realize me,you,the writers,devs,voice actors and everything else organic ages right? No one is going to put up with 2 game releases a decade.A new entry every 1-2 years is just right.

A new Dragon Age game every 1-2 years? no, thats not enough time.  The Elder Scrolls did 5 games in 17 years and all of them were great cause they took the time they needed.  

[FieryDove]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Well, to be fair, the time period between DAO being released to DA2 was sixteen months. It has already been almost fourteen months since DA2's release, so unless DA3 is coming out in June this year, they will be giving a (theoretical) longer development cycle.

That's not exactly fair. If one was really interested the real bulk of the development started after awakening I'm guessing. 12 months...or possibly 11 according to a Dev.

They did a lot of work in those 11 or 12 months no doubt about it (amazing when one thinks about it), but with all the changes it hindered the end product I think.

[Emzamination]

hussey 92 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Hathur wrote...

They'd better not release DA3 before 2014... I'd be fine with 2015 personally, means they spent lots of time on it at least.

I mean look at GTA IV... a blockbuster hit game (one I never played heh) that came out in 2008 ... it's more than 4 years later and the next game is expected either this year or next year.. that's a proper dev time for a game that deserves to be treated well.

I don't want to see a DA game every 1-2 years.... 3-4 years minimum. Do it right or don't do it all.

Are you insane? You realize me,you,the writers,devs,voice actors and everything else organic ages right? No one is going to put up with 2 game releases a decade.A new entry every 1-2 years is just right.

A new Dragon Age game every 1-2 years? no, thats not enough time.  The Elder Scrolls did 5 games in 17 years and all of them were great cause they took the time they needed.  

The elder scrolls and dragon age aren't remotely the same.

TES came at a time when gaming wasn't the phenomenon it is today so waiting wasn't ever an issue.

Every elder scrolls game up until oblivion had eye aching graphics while Dao came into the world smexi.

TES does not use voice actors (age) on the scale that the Da franchise does.Dragon age characters must span multiple games as opposed to Bethseda's one shot characters like martin and their generic guards,citizens who say the exact same thing no matter where you go. 

TES has and will always be a linear story/world being shaped by Betheseda for Betheseda.No matter what you do in one game, you're decisions will never matter in the next and for some reason people love this (never I) but hate dragon age 2 because they thought their decisions didn't matter, weird.Dragon age is a universe being written by bioware for the player with multiple points of divergeance. 

 I could go on why timely releases are of the essense but eh...too much writing <_<

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Emzamination wrote...
TES has and will always be a linear story/world being shaped by Betheseda for Betheseda.

Nope. It's a sandbox RPG and it's build for you to live in that world to be anything and do anything you like. You create your own story with creation kit. That's always the hallmark of Bethesda.

Emzamination wrote...

No matter what you do in one game, you're decisions will never matter in the next

Because it's not a story driven game. It's a sandbox game. You cannot matter any decision done by previous title when 1.) it's you who write your own story or  2.) you don't live for 200 years in the next. So don't expect official story to drive or spoon feed you all the way. It never was. And it never will. If you cannot understand that, than you cannot understand  what a sandbox game mean and what your freedom mean.

Emzamination wrote...
and for some reason people love this (never I) but hate dragon age 2 because they thought their decisions didn't matter, weird.Dragon age is a universe being written by bioware for the player with multiple points of divergeance. 

People enjoy their freedom more as evident in The Sim series, GTA and TES. Therefore choice that matter  is not an issue. BioWare games doesn't have that freedom. Since people don't have their freedom due to official story, it's reasonable that they want to shape their story in some form through choice and consequences. Therefore yes, choices that matter become an issue and could seriously bite if you don't handle them properly. It really that simple. If you cannot provide choices that matter through your story then let the players loose on their own to be whatever they want, to do whatever they want and to make whatever story and motivation they want. It's works well on most popular sandbox games.   

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 31 mai 2012 - 04:50 .

[AkiKishi]

Emzamination wrote...

The elder scrolls and dragon age aren't remotely the same.

TES came at a time when gaming wasn't the phenomenon it is today so waiting wasn't ever an issue.

Every elder scrolls game up until oblivion had eye aching graphics while Dao came into the world smexi.

TES does not use voice actors (age) on the scale that the Da franchise does.Dragon age characters must span multiple games as opposed to Bethseda's one shot characters like martin and their generic guards,citizens who say the exact same thing no matter where you go. 

TES has and will always be a linear story/world being shaped by Betheseda for Betheseda.No matter what you do in one game, you're decisions will never matter in the next and for some reason people love this (never I) but hate dragon age 2 because they thought their decisions didn't matter, weird.Dragon age is a universe being written by bioware for the player with multiple points of divergeance. 

 I could go on why timely releases are of the essense but eh...too much writing <_<

There are plenty of games around. Maybe people were just more patient.

TES is a much older series. DAO was ok in the graphics department but nothing to write home about. RPGs are not about the graphics anyway.

DA is a much smaller game. TES games are what you make them. Go where you like, do what you like. Plots there if you want it , just as easy to ignore it. Bioware games are the plot, there is nothing outside of the story which is why they are story focused.

TES makes use of a much larger area and longer time scale. Having things carry over is not really a factor. Same with FO3/NV both games easily stand on their own.

You probably need about 3 years for a decent CRPG , longer if you are tinkering with the engine a lot. While DA2 was a time saver in only having one city. It was a failure in how little things changed over a 10 year life span. You can get away with that if you don't spend much time there (like in DAO) but when the city is rammed down your throat for the whole game you will notice every tiny flaw.