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[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Bawk-bawk-b-b-b-bawk-bawwwwk!!!

Nah, (s)he just gets sick of your BS.  Not everyone has my patience and endurance, you know.

Besides, you're the one who runs away when somebody actually gives you a good beat-down.

[implodinggoat]

seirhart wrote...

you do know that liara can be the shadow broker and a squadmate at the same time, its not that difficult just have edi link up to the shadow broker base where ever they are at the time to get the info they need.

That's not my issue with Liara being Shadow Broker.

My issue is that her becoming an information broker and stalking the Shadow Broker in ME2 was totally out of character for her.   Think about it....

1:  Liara has devoted her entire life to archeology.
2:  During ME1 she makes the most important archeological discovery EVER, namely the Reapers.
3:  The survival of the galaxy itself depends on people accepting her discovery and acting on it.
4:  The council and the galaxy at large have refuted her discovery and in so doing endangered the lives of billions.

Obviously she's going to follow up on her life's work and try to prove the existence of the Reapers, right?

NOPE!

When her former Commander (and possibly lover) knocks on her door and asks her to help save the galaxy she tells Shepard that she's too busy hunting down the Shadowbroker to help with anything as trivial as proving her life's work and saving the galaxy.   And as an added screw you the entire reason that she's obsessed with the Shadowbroker is because she wants to avenge a Drell agent (Feron) who she went on a single mission with and who spent the vast majority of that mission lying to her about the fact that he was working for Cerberus.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:08 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

My post was very well reasoned and very polite. It was very civil.

You made chicken noises at him.  What are you, five?

He's just bailing out because he knows he can't tackle it.

Or maybe he doesn't think it's worth the frustration.  You're a very frustrating person to argue with, Saph.

When Riptide asked me why I'm a ****** all the time and I said that it was because being nice never gets me anything... You now have this an example.

My experience, especially on these forums, proves otherwise.

Even you are coming in here now and flinging crap at me entirely unprovoked.

Unprovoked?  You're acting like a five year old!  SOMEONE needs to step in and be your mother, here.

Shame on you, Cheez.

Shame on you.  You can be an ass to me all you want, but not to other users.  I bring it on myself.  They don't.

Nobody has ever given me a good beat down.

Oh of course they haven't, sweetie.  Now go brush your teeth and pick out a bedtime story.

[implodinggoat]

AlanC9 wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...
  The Collectors could have acted as a great means for really exploring what the Reapers are, how they operate, and what they did to the Protheans and those that came before the Protheans; but instead they're just a dangling plot line.

I don't quite follow this. By the end of ME2 we know what the Reapers did to the Protheans, which is the same thing they did to the pre-Protheans who became the Keepers. We know how the Reapers operate by the end of ME1. That leaves what the Reapers are, which is pretty clear from the end of ME2 as well.

Hey, what's the capitalization rule? Should it be "Reaper" or "reaper"? Isn't "reaper" a race rather than an organization with a proper name?

Yeah you know what happened to the protheans because the game straight up told you; but you don't really feel any horror over it.   The feeling is just like "Oh the collector's used to be protheans, well that's mildly interesting, moving on now ".

Imagine if you'd gone to a prothean world and found personal accounts of what happened.   People watching their friends and family being rounded up, turned into soulless abominations and unleashed upon the survivors.   That's some pretty horrifying, heart wrenching material; but instead when you make this horrific discovery you feel nothing.

PS:  I believe the capitalization rule is that it should all be lower case, reapers, protheans, collectors, humans, etc.   I usually find myself capitalizing it though.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:19 .

[Seboist]

The handling of the ME "trilogy" is the best evidence there is with how overhyped Bioware's writing is. If it's so great then why do Gears of War and Blazblue(a freakin fighting game) have a far more cohesive story that flows better between games than ME? The former's buildup of it's lambest locust plotline and the latter with it's buildup of future (playable) characters are done better than anything in ME where each game is essentially a semi-reboot with a loose connection between each other.

[slimgrin]

Seboist wrote...

The handling of the ME "trilogy" is the best evidence there is with how overhyped Bioware's writing is. If it's so great then why do Gears of War and Blazblue(a freakin fighting game) have a far more cohesive story that flows better between games than ME?

This is the problem. The story thus far hasn't been cohesive..

[Blacklash93]

Saphra Deden wrote...
He's just bailing out because he knows he can't tackle it.

Believe me, I could. I'm no chicken as you're trying to make out. I just really don't have the time to write bricks of text of issues about a fictional universe that we're never going to agree on. And yes, you were being civil (does persistence and arrogance count as BS?), which is a rarity from what I've seen. Not a single spoiler or a off-hand comment insulting my intelligence. Good job!

And yes, I'll stay out of the TIM thread. I probably won't even look at it anymore considering the eyesore it's become.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

He sniped at me as he left and he's a jerk anyway.

He and I are on even terms.

That doesn't make it right.

No, he's just intimidated. I put forth a complex argument and explained myself in detail. Maybe I actually got through to him but to save face he's backing out and in the future he'll come back with an amended opinion thanks to me. That's how people usually change their opinion. It is a gradual thing that they won't do all at once because it might hurt their credibility. They'll feel like they've "lost".

Oh, like you, when you don't reply to parts of my posts where I prove you wrong?  Like when I explained that you COULD still be anti-geth, that it was NOT presented as "ooh quarians are the bad guys," and that a certain scenario in ME3 did NOT go as you thought it did.  You do this all the time--you skip the parts of a post that actually have merit and attack the things that don't scare you.

You're the coward here, Saph.  All the time.  And it's what makes you so incredibly frustrating.  That and your attitude.

My experience right now, with you, and with Backlash, and my experiences elsewhere, cannot be disputed.

See, but this isn't GAINING you anything, isn't it?  What have you GAINED from insulting people?  Have they ever SIDED with you because you were cruel?  Have they ever decided to be your FRIEND?

Well it would take somebody who isn't an angsty, bi-polar teenager to do that.

I'm 21, and my angst died out in high school.  The rest of that comment isn't even worth responding to, suffice to say it's very low and very cruel.  I hope you don't talk like that to your friends and family in real life.  Hell, even to people you don't even know or like in real life!

Also you forgot to call me fat and ugly.

Blacklash practically begs for it so don't waste your talents on him. Find someone else to jump in the way of the bullet for.

I don't care who the user was.  I'd tell you to back off even if you did it to Kaiser or Seboist, and you know how I feel about them.  Granted, you'd have to be a little nastier to them to bring down my wrath (since they seem to enjoy that sort of thing), but honestly, there are enough bullies and jerks and real life.  Don't be one here.

By all means give examples.

See above.  Reference "who shouldn't have been a squaddie" thread.

You support Westboro Baptist Church.

What, you say you've never voiced that opinoin? Sure you haven't, sweetie.

And now you're just being tacky.  Besides, you already know I'm bisexual and extremely liberal.  Plus an atheist to boot.

Surprised you haven't tried to thow that back at me.

[FeralEwok]

Oh what fresh hell is this?

[vonSlash]

Getting back on topic, anyone else notice how Casey Hudson never clearly answers questions? I mean, he was asked a simple question (Did ME trilogy turn out the same way it had originally been planned to be?), and yet the response we get is:

“I think it’s a similar thing where we know we’re going to have to resolve certain things and we have ideas about how we’re going to do that, so we know from 1 we might say. ‘yeah this particular large storyline? We’re gonna do this particular thing with it and now we’re gonna resolve it’. But the people and the back-story might not exist for it until we make ME2 and we go ah! These are the people who need to be in that position at that time, to do these things.”

...which doesn't actually answer the question in the first place.

It might be a lot easier to trust anything Bioware says if they'd just bite the bullet and admit that their vision for the series has changed over the years.

[Blacklash93]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Believe me, I could.

Of-course, of-course.

If you don't have time to write bricks of text then I don't think you have time to be on this forum in the first place.

I just really don't have the time to write bricks of text of issues about a fictional universe that we're never going to agree on.

Thanks for defending me, Cheez, but I'm fine here. I don't know, maybe I touched a nerve when I said Saph wrote volumes of this stuff every day (it's true)? In that case I did snipe him.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:44 .

[Heimdall]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Why didn't the Collectors go after the Normandy in ME1?

Well that isn't a plot hole.  The Reapers only became intterested intargeting Shepard specifically after he/she destroyed Sovereign.

The Collectors did not team up with Saren because they have a single function, studying alien species and building reapers.  Sovereign had one job, Harbinger's Collecters had another.

[Heimdall]

Feeling abrasive today, Saphra?

[Dead Shizno]

omg they made this whole story up? i thought it really happened,you know like a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away

but really i didnt read this thread,just the title and went "you dont say!"

[Blacklash93]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...


Thanks for defending me, Cheez, but I'm fine here. I don't know, maybe I touched a nerve when I said Saph wrote volumes of this stuff every day?

The least you could do is write an intelligent rebuttal.

As for how much I write, well, not that much. I've been working a lot lately you know, among other things.

I think you are just attempting to take a cheap shot at me. A very lame one at that.

I'm not that good at insulting people, honestly. But you gotta start somewhere and BSN is great place to practice.

Maybe volumes is an exaggeration, but you are pretty much all over any TIM/Renegade thread.

[Seboist]

vonSlash wrote...

Getting back on topic, anyone else notice how Casey Hudson never clearly answers questions? I mean, he was asked a simple question (Did ME trilogy turn out the same way it had originally been planned to be?), and yet the response we get is:

“I think it’s a similar thing where we know we’re going to have to resolve certain things and we have ideas about how we’re going to do that, so we know from 1 we might say. ‘yeah this particular large storyline? We’re gonna do this particular thing with it and now we’re gonna resolve it’. But the people and the back-story might not exist for it until we make ME2 and we go ah! These are the people who need to be in that position at that time, to do these things.”

...which doesn't actually answer the question in the first place.

It might be a lot easier to trust anything Bioware says if they'd just bite the bullet and admit that their vision for the series has changed over the years.

The problem with that would be that it would shatter the biodrones' belief that this company has this great writing ability and knows what it's doing.

[macrocarl]

How could you write all 3? It's a product and a game. I bet well selling authors do the same.

[implodinggoat]

Saphra Deden, AdmiralCheez, Blacklash93, etc.

Stop the bickering or I'm going to report this to the mods. I know you're all worked up; but you're killing this thread and if you don't stop soon the thread is in danger of getting locked.

I suggest you all just chill out and call it a night.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:01 .

[Walker White]

Seboist wrote...

The handling of the ME "trilogy" is the best evidence there is with how overhyped Bioware's writing is. If it's so great then why do Gears of War and Blazblue(a freakin fighting game) have a far more cohesive story that flows better between games than ME? The former's buildup of it's lambest locust plotline and the latter with it's buildup of future (playable) characters are done better than anything in ME where each game is essentially a semi-reboot with a loose connection between each other.

Stories with no choice.  That has been a solved problem since the rise of the novel in the 18th century.

You can rage all you want about how insignificant the choice is in BioWare games.  However, the integration of choice into narrative (which is distinct from the disconnected quest design of sandbox games) is a hard, unsolved problem.