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[Leon Ciasslasi]

So a couple days ago I got the new gameinformer in the mail, and when I looked at the top ten sections, Dragon Age 2 was number four on it's top ten dissapointments in gaming section right after a hacking/security scandal, the Nintendo 3DS line-up, and Duke Nukem forever. Here's what they said:

"Even as we marveled at the advancements in the Mass Effect Series, longtime Bioware fans love Dragon Age Origins: for sticking close to the company's turn-based, epic fantasy past. However, the rushed and misguided sequel felt like a slap to that core audience, with it's stripped down, shallow button-mashing combat, repetitive dungeons, and poor storytelling. This was the rare bioware title that felt rushed - and even worse - halfhearted."

Hell, not even Anders escaped personal criticism as he made the list of top ten dorks of 2011:

"If you want a companion who acts like a crybay about everything, Anders is your man. After years of effort, Bioware has perfected dorkiness; Anders is a bigger wiener than Alistair and whines even more than Carth, making him a true pinnacle of failure."


So my question is, is everything that was said fair? I personally think so, but having the only game that was ranked a bigger dissapointment than Dragon Age 2 be Duke Nuke'em Forever did seem a bit harsh to me.

 

[krinst]

It doesn't match up with my perception, no .
Particularly regarding Anders, considering he is at times a man of 'action' and does more (for better or worse) than complain about his problems.

[Dormiglione]

One of the biggest disappointments of the year? No, that isnt fair in my opinion. Personally, i dont like DA2 for several reason, but it has a lot of great moments. It wasnt the game that many (me included) expected after DAO, but it has also a lot of new fans.

Its time to get over it and look forward. ME3 is coming.

[craigdolphin]

Yep. Mostly fair IMO. DA2 was not the worst game, just the most dissappointing given the much higher expectations that were set by the DAO experience.

And Anders... Whiny? Yes. I personally couldn't stand the guy in Awkenings, and hated him even more in DA2. That said, I agree with elebamf to a degree. Whatever you think of him, he did actually take action. So 'wiener' may be a bit harsh for Anders. But putting Alistair and Anders in the same light is grossly unfair to Alistair IMO.

[bleetman]

Anything that compiles a list titled "top ten dorks" isn't worth my time reading.

[Rafficus III]

No, I wouldn't say it's fair in the least. They're just bandwagoning. Why do I say this, because they said this when it first dropped "…you’ll find an engaging action/RPG experience that still retains BioWare’s trademark clever dialogue, cool characters, and detailed lore." Either they were bought out to say that, or they  were bought out by the vocal critics; doesn't matter because the credibility of giving an honest opinion of the game is out the window and is up to the gamer to assess on their own. It dropped seven points from Origins and could rightly be argued that because of the drop it deserves its place on the list. The barbed insults and the negatives brought up have not only become trite, but stray away from the core problems with DA2. I enjoyed DA2 and still enjoy it, but I recognize its faults and I can recognize when someone is blatantly pandering to rabblers for brownie points. This being one of them. As said before, if Duke Nukem, a game 10+ years in the making that is being sold for 2-5 dollars with an abysmal rating of 3/10 and lower in some instances is ranked higher in success than DA2 something is wrong.

Modifié par hornedfrog87, 26 janvier 2012 - 06:31 .

[Leon Ciasslasi]

craigdolphin wrote...

Yep. Mostly fair IMO. DA2 was not the worst game, just the most dissappointing given the much higher expectations that were set by the DAO experience.

That's why I personally thought that it was a big dissapointment. I expected more out of Dragon Age than what was given due to what precedded it, and the sequel simply didn't deliver it for me.

That being said, yeah Dragon Age 2 wasn't the best thing around, but it wasn't the worst either. Just kind of a let down from the first game. Though there were parts that I enjoyed. Paricularly being given the chance to kill Fenris at the end. Found him, and his voice acting annoying.

"You die or I die, either way the story ends."- Fenris' last, and admittedly most badass, line.

About Anders though, yeah he was a whinny crybaby, or appeared as so for most of the game at least, but yeah the last Act proved he was a man of action. He had a bigger effect in the game than Hawke did! That' not something that can be said of anyone who just sat around complaining. 

[Wulfram]

It's fair to put the game as a major disappointment, because Bioware's previous game have earnt themselves very high expectations which for many people DA2 clearly failed to live up to.

It's not a bad game, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a big disappointment.

Modifié par Wulfram, 26 janvier 2012 - 07:41 .

[Great_Horn]

Leon Ciasslasi wrote...

"Even as we marveled at the advancements in the Mass Effect Series, longtime Bioware fans love Dragon Age Origins: for sticking close to the company's turn-based, epic fantasy past. However, the rushed and misguided sequel felt like a slap to that core audience, with it's stripped down, shallow button-mashing combat, repetitive dungeons, and poor storytelling. This was the rare bioware title that felt rushed - and even worse - halfhearted."

Hell, not even Anders escaped personal criticism as he made the list of top ten dorks of 2011:

 

Damn right. I wonder why it took so long to figure this out. Hopefully the division at Bioware which was responsible for DA:2 will take their time for the next game.

Modifié par Great_Horn, 26 janvier 2012 - 07:59 .

[AlexXIV]

Well if you expected DAO+ then it sure was.

[Leon Ciasslasi]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well if you expected DAO+ then it sure was.

Seeing as it was a sequel, I say it's fair for one to have expected DAO+.

[Leon Ciasslasi]

Yeah I'm with BrotherWrath. If DA2 didn't have that "2" at the end of it, or wasn't promoted as a sequel then I don't think it would have received all the backlash that it did.

I do admire Bioware's attempt to branch out to try and appeal to more people, but I do think that something like that is best avoided when old fans feel betrayed.

I say this again, Dragon age 2 wasn't a bad game, just a bad sequel.

[kyles3]

Anders a failure? He accomplished everything he set out to do. Can't say the same about Hawke.

[Mike3207]

The issue really isn't whether it was a bad game-it was ok but not terrible. The mistake Bioware really made was putting Dragon Age in the title. Once they did that, it was going to be a disappointment.

[HiroVoid]

Mike Smith wrote...

The issue really isn't whether it was a bad game-it was ok but not terrible. The mistake Bioware really made was putting Dragon Age in the title. Once they did that, it was going to be a disappointment.

I wouldn't say putting Dragon Age on the title was a mistake since that's the main reason it sold so well.

[Deadmac]

Leon Ciasslasi wrote...
So my question is, is everything that was said fair? I personally think so, but having the only game that was ranked a bigger disappointment than Dragon Age 2 be Duke Nuke'em Forever did seem a bit harsh to me.

I am converting over.

During the past few days, I went through for the third time. Instead of playing the game without the dlc, I installed both "Legacy" and "Mark of the Assassin". If you play "Dragon Age II" with the dlc, kill the mages, and kill Meredeth, the entire game comes around full circle. Even though there are some storytelling flaws or player restrictions, I still had one of the most enjoyable game playing experiences since "Dragon Age: Origins" and "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic". All BioWare needs to do is tweak the other ending, incorporate "Legacy" and "Mark of the Assassin", and give away at least one of the item packs. Its that simple.

As "Dragon Age II" starts to age on the shelf, more and more people will come around.

"Dragon Age: Origins" and "Dragon Age II" can coexist.

Modifié par Deadmac, 26 janvier 2012 - 10:57 .

[Babli]

It´s pretty much spot on.

[Morroian]

BrotherWarth wrote...

They took out the origins, the feature that made Dragon Age notable. 

IMHO that wasn't a key feature of what made DAO great. 

[Avilia]

 I think GI's criticism of DA2 as 'one of the biggest disappointments of 2011' is fair.  They don't say one of the 'worst' games, they say 'disappointment'.  As an Origins fan, I wasn't expecting DA2 to be more of the same, and quite frankly, I wouldn't have wanted it to be.  Change can be good, change can be fun.  Utimately, DA2 was neither for me.  GI have hit the nail on the head as to why I found DA2 disappointing.  Not a bad game but a mediocre one.  Certainly not one that engaged as much as Origins.  It had good points, enough that I played through several times.  Each time the things that niggled grew in number.

GI's labelling of Anders as 'whiny', and their reasons for it, are trite.  It shows no real attempt to analyse the character at all.

I'd call Anders a fanatic, paranoid and possibly delusional, but not whiny.  Whether he has good reason to be that way has been debated in other places and I'm certainly not learned enough in DA2 lore to add anything new or worthwhile to that discussion.

All of that is my opinion of course and how I feel about DA2 in retrospect.

I had to reimage my pc a few months ago and DA2 is the only game I didn't reinstall.  I've felt no temptation to do so since.

Modifié par Avilia, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:18 .

[ladyluck278]

I don't agree that is was the biggest disappointment of 2011. Of course DAO was great, but if you look at DA2 on its own not comparing it to the other then it wasn't bad. Anders wasn't as bad as they seemed to think. For one I would rather listen to him, no matter how irritating it got, than listen to Carver b...h about his betters. I actually hated Carver and either killed him or sent him out of kirkwall to be a Gray Warden so I didn't have to see him.

[Abispa]

I'm really NOT a fan of Game Informer as far as reviews go. Years ago they said how awesome the Atari Jaguar was and a year later they were making fun of the people who bought it. And didn't they give DA2 an 8.5 rating? They did criticize it originally for not being as good as DA:O, but their review was very favorable and encouraged players to purchase it.

[El Mito]

Of course it's fair, such a massive disappointment.

[Atakuma]

While I agree with what they said, this does nothing but make them seem disingenuous. They either liked the game and jumped on the bandwagon after the backlash or their review was bull****.