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[Estherra Drack]

LinksOcarina wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Game Informer also named Bulletstorm, L.A Noire, Rage, Shadows of the Damned, Driver: San Fransisco, Crysis 2, Lego Star Wars III, Marvel vs Capcom 3, Modern Warfare 3, and six different sport games (which I can't judge if they are good or not because its a genre I don't like personally so I never played them) in their top 50 games of the year....

Yeah, I don't take them seriously as all

So you're saying the games you listed are bad? I can see Bulletstorm and Driver not being good enough to be on that list but the rest are all well recieved games.

See thats the thing. They were well received. But over time, they were all just as, if not more so, dissapointing than Dragon Age II.

Rage and Marvel vs Capcom 3 in particular are guilty of this. In fact not even Rage, it was dissapointing from the start. MvC 3 lost a lot of its luster the minute the sequel came out 8 months later, so putting it on the list, even if its a good game, is kind of suspect. And fact of the matter is, they didnt put that on the most dissapointing list either, instead they made casual mention to it when putting, at number 7, how they believe capcom is screwing fans of Mega Man.

And while I didn't play Modern Warfare 3, friends of mine, including my own brother, who are fans of the series, said it was terrible and dissapointing, and felt like it was a waste of time.

So no they are not bad, but each of those game is just as dissapointing in the end, so its all arbitrary which makes how they conduct the lists rather pointless.

Sequel? You mean Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3? Something that was 40 bucks and had 12 new characters? Also something you can now buy for 17 bucks. Marvel vs. Capcom 3 did not lose a lot of its luster because an Ultimate edition of a game came out. Media does not lose anything because a newer version of it comes out, the media can only loses luster because of time and changes in a customers taste. Also an Ultimate edition isn’t a sequel.

Plus didn’t Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 have all the DLC from Marvel vs. Capcom 3? I don’t play fighting games so I didn’t get Marvel vs. Capcom 3 when I saw it at Gamestop for 17 bucks last week.

On the Modern Warfare front they made 1 billion dollars in 16 days that does not sound like a disappointment to me. COD series does so good because they don't fundamentally change there game play from one game to the next (cough DA2 cough).

[esper]

Leon Ciasslasi wrote...

So a couple days ago I got the new gameinformer in the mail, and when I looked at the top ten sections, Dragon Age 2 was number four on it's top ten dissapointments in gaming section right after a hacking/security scandal, the Nintendo 3DS line-up, and Duke Nukem forever. Here's what they said:

"Even as we marveled at the advancements in the Mass Effect Series, longtime Bioware fans love Dragon Age Origins: for sticking close to the company's turn-based, epic fantasy past. However, the rushed and misguided sequel felt like a slap to that core audience, with it's stripped down, shallow button-mashing combat, repetitive dungeons, and poor storytelling. This was the rare bioware title that felt rushed - and even worse - halfhearted."

Hell, not even Anders escaped personal criticism as he made the list of top ten dorks of 2011:

"If you want a companion who acts like a crybay about everything, Anders is your man. After years of effort, Bioware has perfected dorkiness; Anders is a bigger wiener than Alistair and whines even more than Carth, making him a true pinnacle of failure."


So my question is, is everything that was said fair? I personally think so, but having the only game that was ranked a bigger dissapointment than Dragon Age 2 be Duke Nuke'em Forever did seem a bit harsh to me.

 

I have issues with the words used. (Other than I don't agree with them). If game magazines uses words like dorks and whining/whiner in that context. In any context actually, is immature to a degree I can't even beging to state. (How was Alistair a whiner,no don't start). (The magazine could have said something like he is so focused on one subject that he becomes unbearable to listen too, or he complains so much that it is impossible to sympatize with him. I would still not have agreed with the opinion but at least the writer doesn't sound like someone from highschool).

It is not weird that Bioware advertises with bottom awesome and so on. This magazine sounds like it is directed at teengagers and if it are such critics bioware have to please. The whole industry seems to think that we are all teenagers in highschool, and then people wonder we get advertisment with words like push 'a bottom and something awesome happens'. It is no wonder that people don't take us seriously as adults if our official magazines writes like this.

[Leon Ciasslasi]

esper wrote...

Leon Ciasslasi wrote...

So a couple days ago I got the new gameinformer in the mail, and when I looked at the top ten sections, Dragon Age 2 was number four on it's top ten dissapointments in gaming section right after a hacking/security scandal, the Nintendo 3DS line-up, and Duke Nukem forever. Here's what they said:

"Even as we marveled at the advancements in the Mass Effect Series, longtime Bioware fans love Dragon Age Origins: for sticking close to the company's turn-based, epic fantasy past. However, the rushed and misguided sequel felt like a slap to that core audience, with it's stripped down, shallow button-mashing combat, repetitive dungeons, and poor storytelling. This was the rare bioware title that felt rushed - and even worse - halfhearted."

Hell, not even Anders escaped personal criticism as he made the list of top ten dorks of 2011:

"If you want a companion who acts like a crybay about everything, Anders is your man. After years of effort, Bioware has perfected dorkiness; Anders is a bigger wiener than Alistair and whines even more than Carth, making him a true pinnacle of failure."


So my question is, is everything that was said fair? I personally think so, but having the only game that was ranked a bigger dissapointment than Dragon Age 2 be Duke Nuke'em Forever did seem a bit harsh to me.

 

I have issues with the words used. (Other than I don't agree with them). If game magazines uses words like dorks and whining/whiner in that context. In any context actually, is immature to a degree I can't even beging to state. (How was Alistair a whiner,no don't start). (The magazine could have said something like he is so focused on one subject that he becomes unbearable to listen too, or he complains so much that it is impossible to sympatize with him. I would still not have agreed with the opinion but at least the writer doesn't sound like someone from highschool).

It is not weird that Bioware advertises with bottom awesome and so on. This magazine sounds like it is directed at teengagers and if it are such critics bioware have to please. The whole industry seems to think that we are all teenagers in highschool, and then people wonder we get advertisment with words like push 'a bottom and something awesome happens'. It is no wonder that people don't take us seriously as adults if our official magazines writes like this.

If you look it actually says that Alistair is a wiener, and that Carth was the whiner, but yeah I do agree that the words the writer used weren't the most verbose out there. Though like this thread discussing the fairness of DA2 being a dissappointment or not, what you said about not agreeing with Anders being impossible to sympathize with is an opinion.  He complained too much for my taste that I pretty much avoided using him when I could.

On a different note, by 'buttom awesome' do you mean 'button awesome'? Personally when I see something badass being done in a cutscene or due to pressing a button I wish that the game actually let me do it myself. One thing that comes to mind is Fenris ripping some dude's heart out with his lyrium powers. That would have been cool to do.

[esper]

Sorry if my spelling is bad. It is late and english is not my first langue, so I make some mistake and don't really cathces them all. I said that it was an opinion,I also said I don't agree with it (I happen to love Anders character). I just tried to show how one could write an negative view of Anders without sounding like a highschooler.
Yeah, I meant button awesome. It is the phrase a lot in this forum have poked fun of from the advertisement, where someone from dragon age marketing said something like we want the players to feel that something awesome happens when they press a button.
Of course what they wanted to say was we wants the game to feel responsive, but the BSN have never let dragon age marketing live that line down.

Edit. And I disagree with the term 'whiner'. It is not a word adults should use. It is right up there with emo and other terms withs sounds immature and is basically just used for 'a person I don't like.'

Modifié par esper, 31 janvier 2012 - 08:16 .

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Yes it was. And Mike Laidlaw will only bring the franchise even further down.

[MonkeyLungs]

I still liked the companions in DA2. Not as much as Origins but I liked them.

I liked everything about Origins better, EVERYTHING.

I am most disappointed that Bioware changed the combat around so much and equally disappointed that so many of you like it.

The level design was atrocious. After playing some games released recently with crazy good level design the lameness of DA2 level design is an even worse thought. Kirkwall is a city of interconnected right angles. The entire city, save for the hanged man, is a giant apartment building and you can't walk behind any building. it's all facades and it sucks. I'm not even getting into the area reuse because the level design was already sub par before venturing into re-use.

The lack of reactivity of NPC's to your character's actions is inexcsuable. Running around casting magic in the middle of Kirkwall right in front of Templars is just not ok with me. Gameplay DOES NOT TRUMP LORE and I spit in the general direction of anyone who believes it does. LORE CRAFTS THE GAMEPLAY, without the lore there is no RPG.

Origins is a classic and while DA2 has some redeeming factors (I like the companions) it is mainly a massive disappointment especially following up one of my favorite games in recent times.

I don't have much faith in Bioware anymore. I expect them to excrete all over Shepard's final chapter in some weird attemtp to bridge the gap between new players and people who have been with the series from the beginning and I don't think they are going to bring the magic back to Dragon Age. I would love to be wrong.

[Knightly_BW]

I didn't like what Gameinformer said about DA2 nor their language. I didn't read the magazine but from what I understand that little quote on OP, that magazine shouldn't be taken seriously.

Anyway DA 2 tried to pass too much of story/history in one game. If they divide each chapter one game and expansions, story would be more understandable and enjoyable.

Wheter you like it or not DA 2 underlined many things in DA universe and crafted very good set up for DA 3 and future of Thedas. (I remember Templar vs Mage threads in this forums. So in some sense mission accomplished).

Giving voice to Hawke (like Shepard) was a nice touch, however turning companions into Normandy crew don't go well with DA spirit. ME very action paced game mostly focused on story. While also DA games focus on story, companions are part of that stories. In ME I barely remember my squadmates have conversation options. After all sci-fi always been so sterile for me where fantasy fiction's full of life.

I am torn about combat system. While I liked one button combat because I am lazy, I didn't like waves of bad guys appear from no where. Also DA 2 mages while looked cooler than DA:O ones in fights they lack their spell diversity.

In the end I believe they will find perfect balance between two games (DA:O and DA 2) on DA 3. I feel DA universe will get darker with more blurred lines between good and evil. Also with ME franchise comes to an end with ME3 and developing an online game out of the way, DA 3 is the "next big thing" of Bioware.

[Uccio]

The awesome combat, really, not. Just think about battle of Ostagar with DA2 combat mechanics. Its so sad it makes me laugh.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Ukki wrote...

The awesome combat, really, not. Just think about battle of Ostagar with DA2 combat mechanics. Its so sad it makes me laugh.

Oh god i just imagined it. That's terrible. Wow, it would just completely ruin the mood of the entire sequence.

[TEWR]

Ukki wrote...

The awesome combat, really, not. Just think about battle of Ostagar with DA2 combat mechanics. Its so sad it makes me laugh.

That depends on how many combat mechanics from DAII were implemented. All? It would probably ruin the atmosphere.

But if I were allowed to be selective in which DAII combat mechanics were implemented, I think it could work.

[ladyofpayne]

yes. Too much enemies and no social elements- talk with NPC and another.

[BubbleDncr]

I loved DA2. It was my favorite game of the year.

Biggest disappointment was probably Skyward Sword - it's still a very good game, but not the OMG BEST ZELDA GAME EVER that everyone makes it out to be.

[barenas]

I suppose it all depends on expectations. It wasn't a bad game at all, I quite liked it. In a lot of ways I preferred it to DA: Origins. When compared to some of the rpgs that came out, it might be a little disappointing though.

[LinksOcarina]

Estherra Drack wrote...

Sequel? You mean Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3? Something that was 40 bucks and had 12 new characters? Also something you can now buy for 17 bucks. Marvel vs. Capcom 3 did not lose a lot of its luster because an Ultimate edition of a game came out. Media does not lose anything because a newer version of it comes out, the media can only loses luster because of time and changes in a customers taste. Also an Ultimate edition isn’t a sequel.

Plus didn’t Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 have all the DLC from Marvel vs. Capcom 3? I don’t play fighting games so I didn’t get Marvel vs. Capcom 3 when I saw it at Gamestop for 17 bucks last week.

On the Modern Warfare front they made 1 billion dollars in 16 days that does not sound like a disappointment to me. COD series does so good because they don't fundamentally change there game play from one game to the next (cough DA2 cough).

1. It did lose a lot of its luster, ask any hardcore fighter out there they will bemoan the fact that there were two versions of the game, and only one of them is properly balanced now and has the extras that were promised by capcom.  All the DLC you refer to, by the way, was nothing but costume packs and shadow battles, not exactly high calibur DLC there, since it was 160 a pop I believe it also was value lost if you purchased it. 

As for modern warfare 3, whats your point? So the game sold 1 billion dollars, that doesn't make it a good game. That just makes it a big seller, and considering I have seen people lambast Modern Warfare 3 constantly, I would chalk that up as a dissapointing game in the end, especially for the fanbase which is polarized against it.

[Estherra Drack]

LinksOcarina wrote...

1. It did lose a lot of its luster,

How in the ever-loving embrace of mother Mary does an Ultimate edition make a standard edition lose a lot of its luster? Does that mean that Dragon Age: Origins does not have the luster I know and love because BioWare decided to release a Dragon Age: Origins Ultimate Edition on October 26, 2010 a year after DAO’s release?

LinksOcarina wrote...

ask any hardcore fighter out there they will bemoan the fact that there were two versions of the game,

That’s a very reliable method you got there. Let’s see how well it stands up to the test, I’ll go ask a “hardcore fighter” fan what the what is… I just asked the first “hardcore fighter” I could find he said no fighter fan would buy MvC3 they would get MvC2 Online instead of that garbage… It appears that “hardcore fighter” fans only play Tekken 3… huh learn something new everyday.

LinksOcarina wrote...

and only one of them is properly balanced now and has the extras that were promised by capcom.

I don’t play fighters but I know for a fact that anyone that believes what Capcom say’s hasn’t been paying very good attention to them in the last few decades. I’ve lost count of the amount of times they didn’t deliver on there promises. I do play strategy games and I hear balance issues all the time from fans “1.3 was better than 1.4 or 1.5 but 1.7 but at least better then 1.5 blah blah blah.” The same can be said of MMO’s.

LinksOcarina wrote...

All the DLC you refer to, by the way, was nothing but costume packs and shadow battles, not exactly high calibur DLC there, since it was 160 a pop I believe it also was value lost if you purchased it.

I fail to see how I would care about that when I don’t play fighters? Then again when has Capcom ever had good let along medium caliber DLC? Also that Ultimate Edition MvC3 at gamestop was 17 bucks…doesn’t seem to be any money lost there.

LinksOcarina wrote...

As for modern warfare 3, whats your point? So the game sold 1 billion dollars, that doesn't make it a good game.

My Modern Warfare comment is quite simple. Millions of people loved that game; millions of people are playing that game right now. I am not one of them. Just because it is a disappointment to people that aren’t “hardcore” COD fans doesn’t mean it is a disappointment. Simple see?

LinksOcarina wrote...

That just makes it a big seller, and considering I have seen people lambast Modern Warfare 3 constantly, I would chalk that up as a dissapointing game in the end, especially for the fanbase which is polarized against it.

Games are not a republic, games are more of a democracy, and the vote is translated into who buys what. Good/Bad are subjective. Disappointment is directly proportional to how much the last game sold compared to the second. If say MW3 sold less than Black Ops it would have been a disappointment, but since it sold more it cannot be categorized as a disappointment. This is how gaming democracy works if the first game sold 4 or 5 million and the next game sells less than 2 million it would be (by the rules of gaming democracy) worse than the first game. These rules work in all media (movie, books, music or games).

There will always be those that believe that the last game (music from the 90’s is better than today’s garbage /end example) was better than the newest edition. It like saying season one of South Park is better than season two of South Park. I’ve been hearing that MW3 is no different then the last game or the game before that etc. Or that Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare was better than Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2...I don't see a difference between the two.

BTW: I do think music from the 90’s is better than today’s music (garbage) but I know that my taste is not universal, some believe that 80’s music is better or 60’s (ignore 70’s unless it’s from the south).

edit: added link fixed format.

Modifié par Estherra Drack, 02 février 2012 - 09:31 .

[Eternal Dust]

It's a fair assessment. Yes, DA2 was fun to play but there really was no payoff in the end.

[LinksOcarina]

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 02 février 2012 - 09:37 .