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[Blacklash93]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Everyone's bi. Just like DA2.

No.

[Youknow]

IsaacShep wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Suddenly turning every character bisexual is just nonsensical.

Just as it's nonsensical that LIs in Mass Effect don't care about Shep's moral actions. Conclusion? Romances in ME franchise were never suppoused to be realistic when it comes to Shep's ability to pursue them. They didn't restict the players from hooking up with LIs based on looks or morals/actions. So there's no reason why players should be restricted from pursuing the LIs based on Shep's gender.

If they want to go for realism, they have to do it in all areas of Shep's ability to pursue the romances. That goes for morals, actions, potentially looks as well (since it is not realistic that people don't care about looks at all) and sexual orientation. Focusing just on sexual orientation doesn't cut it.

Whoa man. I kinda like the romances being based on Sheperd's gender though. It enables the writer to write characters easier and with more nuances for the characters themselves. I mean, picture Morrigan's romance. If she were bisexual, her little conversation where she acts surprised when you don't romance her as a male but are friends would make little sense. Specifically because she would have no reason to act stunned, as you'd wager that if people knew she was bisexual, women might pine for her as well. After all, as Leliana and I believe Wynne pointed out, Morrigan is in fact an attractive woman. 

I think the problem is that the game is not focused on actually romantic relationships, so you can't expect realism everywhere. The demand is simply far too much. Granted, the morality isn't too hard, as the game could merely have characters react when Sheperd reaches 30% Paragon etc. But we don't know if they are going to do something like that anyways in ME3 so we can't say anything about that. And really, they aren't focusing on sexual orientation. They are focusing on gender.  Sheperd was never allowed to express sexual feelings towards the same gender before (most of which I find kind of silly), that's the problem. Looks are impossible, because unless each individual has a gauge, it's going to be horribly dev biased-- and wouldn't help your case at all, as it leaves room open for "oh, he's definitely bisexual, he's just so attracted to the female type of body that he's not gonig to do anything with you."After all, we all have different opinions on beauty. 

[shepskisaac]

Youknow wrote...
Whoa man. I kinda like the romances being based on Sheperd's gender though. It enables the writer to write characters easier and with more nuances for the characters themselves. I mean, picture Morrigan's romance. If she were bisexual, her little conversation where she acts surprised when you don't romance her as a male but are friends would make little sense. Specifically because she would have no reason to act stunned, as you'd wager that if people knew she was bisexual, women might pine for her as well. After all, as Leliana and I believe Wynne pointed out, Morrigan is in fact an attractive woman.

You don't get the point. This is not about "LIs can't have different orientations". This is about selectively excluding ONLY sexual orientation from "no romance restrictions" mechanic. Despite the fact sexual orientation matters SO much less in a game like Mass Effect than for example morality, which is one of the major topics in this franchise.

Youknow wrote...
Granted, the morality isn't too hard, as the game could merely have characters react when Sheperd reaches 30% Paragon etc.

Precisely. Morality and choices are already being flagged, tracked and checked all over the game.

Youknow wrote...
But we don't know if they are going to do something like that anyways in ME3 so we can't say anything about that.

Chances are incredibly slim.

Youknow wrote...
And really, they aren't focusing on sexual orientation. They are focusing on gender.  Sheperd was never allowed to express sexual feelings towards the same gender before (most of which I find kind of silly), that's the problem.

We're talking end result which is one - Shep was restricted from romancing who he wanted, based on his gender and thus orientation.

At the base, romances in ME franchise are no different than the romances/flings/marriages in Fable or Skyrim. In all cases, the potential love interests don't care about what the hero did or how he/she looks, they just need few gifts/nice words and you're good to go. The romances in ME have of course more content and dialogues, but the rules are the same. Shep and player characters in Fable & Skyrim ain't restricted from romancing any of the available characters. The only difference is the sexual orientation aspect in Mass Effect. Fable & Skyrim are consistient with its "no restrictions even if it's completly unrealistic in all aspects" approach. You can hook-up/marry anyone who's available. Mass Effect however selectively picked sexual orientation as the sole aspect that had to be realistic, for no good reason.

Of course we're talking purely teoretically since ME1 & ME2 are already out and OF COURSE they ain't gonna have all previous LIs now available for both o/s and s/s romances in ME3. But in case of future BW games, or even new LIs in ME3? 

This is about sticking to the design approach. If the romances are suppoused to be accessible for all players, then they should be accessible for all players. Not "all players except the gays". But if the romances are suppoused to be as realistic as possible, then yes, it would be good to have LIs of different sexual orientations thus restricting player characters that don't fit the desired gender from romancing, AND also have all those LIs have different moral standards and thus restricting player characters that do things incompatible with the LIs' morality from romancing. And it would also be good to have smaller number of LIs in general, not a situation like with ManShep where 90% of his female squadmates have feelings for him. Yes, restricting players characters from romances based on looks would be too hard to pull of technically, but all the other aspects are pefectly pssible to pull of. But it needs to be consistient.

Either you go the unrealistic way and allow the player character to romance anyone no matter what, or you go the realistic way and take as much realistic aspects based on which people select their partners as possible. Going the middle/mixed way is the worst. It's inconsistient and messy. And in case of specifically excluding sexual orientation, it's also rather suspicious and questionlable.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 02 février 2012 - 04:07 .

[JosephDucreux]

Still this?

[williefisk]

my guess is that james vega and diana allers are both bi-sexual and available to male and female shep

[Dasher1010]

Liara, Vega, Samantha and Steve.

[William Shakespeare]

lol gay people dont exist....

[Grunt420]

LMAO WHO GAY AND WHO NOT? LMAO HAHAHAHA OMG REALLY

[William Shakespeare]

YO, WHY IS THE ONLY BLONDE GIRL A LESBIAN????!!!!!

[Litany of Fury]

As long as Garrus isn't gay and you can put the others down gently (or preferably avoid it alltogether) then I don't care.

[dazdaz28]

I've read that both Kaidan and Ashley are going to be bi accourding to the leaked script. I know that the leaked script is out of date but I was just wondering if it will be in the final game. :/

[MACharlie1]

dazdaz28 wrote...

I've read that both Kaidan and Ashley are going to be bi accourding to the leaked script. I know that the leaked script is out of date but I was just wondering if it will be in the final game. :/

Leaked script is inconclusive. Doesn't indicate any s/s for them or Vega. 

[What a Succulent Ass]

Litany of Fury wrote...

As long as Garrus isn't gay and you can put the others down gently (or preferably avoid it alltogether) then I don't care.

Why would it matter if Garrus is ”gay"? Considering that it would be an interspecies attraction, the term is hardly applicable. One would also think that the fact it's interspecies would be of bigger note than the fact it's same-sex.

[ediskrad327]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Still this?

[Collider]

One would also think that the fact it's interspecies would be of bigger note than the fact it's same-sex.

If all of these aliens weren't so humanoid.

[mauro2222]

"But... he told me that he likes me, that's totally gay dude!"

Well... if you pick the "Break my ass" option it's your fault. And if the character hits on you, you can say no.

[Nashiktal]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Litany of Fury wrote...

As long as Garrus isn't gay and you can put the others down gently (or preferably avoid it alltogether) then I don't care.

Why would it matter if Garrus is ”gay"? Considering that it would be an interspecies attraction, the term is hardly applicable. One would also think that the fact it's interspecies would be of bigger note than the fact it's same-sex.

Hell garrus isn't even physically attracted to femshep. Its a romance based on respect, very turian.

[Litany of Fury]

Nashiktal wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Litany of Fury wrote...

As long as Garrus isn't gay and you can put the others down gently (or preferably avoid it alltogether) then I don't care.

Why would it matter if Garrus is ”gay"? Considering that it would be an interspecies attraction, the term is hardly applicable. One would also think that the fact it's interspecies would be of bigger note than the fact it's same-sex.

Hell garrus isn't even physically attracted to femshep. Its a romance based on respect, very turian.

I guess I should explain my opinions a bit here. Hopefully I won't end up sounding like some kind of homophobe:

Given what Garrus has done over the previous games, it wouldn't feel 'right' for him to be gay/bi. The only two times sex and romance have ever come up with him both involved him witha woman - once with Femshep and once with a female turian.

Also, he seems to act on the bro-level with Shepard, not too dissimilar to how you would act towards your best mate in real life. Having a conversation with him in your usual manner for him to suddenly turn around  and say something along the lines of 'I love you' would be very out of the blue for him, and would be so very, very awkward. Basically, it'd spoil his character somewhat for me.

However, I must say again that I don't mind if anyone else is gay/bisexual - especially the new guys.

[Ryzaki]

Uh no. Garrus wasn't attracted to a woman.

Woman = female human.

Garrus was sleeping with a female turian. And if that DH comic is anything to go by they don't look remotely like human women.

Garrus attraction to femShep to me at least is utterly ridculous.


Same with Tali.

"Oh Shepard! You're so awesome than I'm going to go outside my species to be with you! Even though human/whatever isn't common at all and it could be potentially fatal to one of us! :wub:"

Ugh.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 février 2012 - 07:04 .

[Litany of Fury]

Ryzaki wrote...

Uh no. Garrus wasn't attracted to a woman.

Woman = female human.

Garrus was sleeping with a female turian. And if that DH comic is anything to go by they don't look remotely like human women.

Garrus attraction to femShep to me at least is utterly ridculous.


Same with Tali.

"Oh Shepard! You're so awesome than I'm going to go outside my species to be with you! Even though human/whatever isn't common at all and it could be potentially fatal to one of us! :wub:"

Ugh.

You know that people aren't attracted to people purely because of their looks, right?

[Litany of Fury]

Double post.

Modifié par Litany of Fury, 07 février 2012 - 08:11 .

[Litany of Fury]

Ooops, meant to click edit for the previous post.

Modifié par Litany of Fury, 07 février 2012 - 07:07 .

[Ryzaki]

Litany of Fury wrote...

You know that people aren't attracted to others purely because of their looks, right?

Purely? No. But it is however a part of attraction. Along with hormones and what not.

It's hard to describe unless you've experienced it but a person's scent can completely turn someone off (even when the person doesn't stink). It's happened to me at least 3 times. They don't stink but there's something utterly repulsive about the way they smell. Not sure if my nose is sensitive or what.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 février 2012 - 07:09 .

[Litany of Fury]

Ryzaki wrote...

Litany of Fury wrote...

You know that people aren't attracted to others purely because of their looks, right?

Purely? No. But it is however a part of attraction. Along with hormones and what not.

There are people who are sexually attracted to animals. Who's to say that in the future nobody will have the hots for aliens? Or at least they just don't are that they're an alien.