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[Ryzaki]

Litany of Fury wrote...
There are people who are sexually attracted to animals. Who's to say that in the future nobody will have the hots for aliens? Or at least they just don't are that they're an alien.

Where did I say nobody? I'm just not buying it with Garrus and Tali. (especially since Garrus goes out of his way to say he's not attracted to humans) Especially not when sex with Shepard can be potentially fatal. (discarding Mordin's magical sex gel that comes out of nowhere.) Tali might've been a bit of a fetishist but I don't see her risking her life over sex. (which is exactly what she does and why my respect for her plummeted).

So Garrus who is not attracted to humans...makes an exception for FemShep and not male Shep? That don't seem odd to you? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 février 2012 - 07:15 .

[Litany of Fury]

Ryzaki wrote...

Litany of Fury wrote...
There are people who are sexually attracted to animals. Who's to say that in the future nobody will have the hots for aliens? Or at least they just don't are that they're an alien.

Where did I say nobody? I'm just not buying it with Garrus and Tali. (especially since Garrus goes out of his way to say he's not attracted to humans) Especially not when sex with Shepard can be potentially fatal. (discarding Mordin's magical sex gel that comes out of nowhere.) Tali might've been a bit of a fetishist but I don't see her risking her life over sex. (which is exactly what she does and why my respect for her plummeted).

Mordin doesn't have any 'magical sex gel.' For Garrus he told Shepard to avoid ingesting any of Garrus'  bodily fluids and she'd be fine, and he gave Tali enough immunoboosters and sanitisation kit to reduce the risk of a serious affliction by a phenomenal amount - and even then she was bunged up with a headache for around a week.

As for the whole 'doing it for the sex' thing, she may well have been doing it purely to get as close to Shepard
as she could, which would be an appealing concept after being locked in a suit for her whole life.

Modifié par Litany of Fury, 07 février 2012 - 07:18 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

The interspecies romances are handled pretty idiotically, actually.

...Which is a significant statement considering how poorly written the romances are in general.

[Ryzaki]

Litany of Fury wrote...
Mordin doesn't have any 'magical sex gel.' For Garrus he told Shepard to avoid ingesting any of Garrus'  bodily fluids and she'd be fine, and he gave Tali enough immunoboosters and sanitisation kit to reduce the risk of a serious affliction by a phenomenal amount - and even then she was bunged up with a headache for around a week.

As for the whole 'doing it for the sex' thing, she may well have been doing it purely to get as close to Shepard
as she could, which would be an appealing concept after being locked in a suit for her whole life.

Thus magic sex gel.

And yeah still seeing it as shallow and stupid. Yes let's risk getting sick (at BEST) and having a lowered reaction time during a SM. That's smart.

As for Garrus. Chafing no thank you. Though a side quest where Shep gets some turian condoms would've been hilarious.

Honestly I thought that was the dumbest part of ME2 (tali and garrus romances) and considering that had the Lazarus project in it that's a feat.

If Tali slept with Shepard after the SM and Garrus didn't go "well I'm not attracted to humans but I respect you Shep so..." it wouldn't feel so ridculous. As it is...to me it's just dumb.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 février 2012 - 07:49 .

[dazdaz28]

What would you think if Kaidan, Ashley and James were bi, we know that Diana is bi but would it be realistic if there was 4 bisexual people on the ship for romance?

[BatmanPWNS]

dazdaz28 wrote...

What would you think if Kaidan, Ashley and James were bi, we know that Diana is bi but would it be realistic if there was 4 bisexual people on the ship for romance?

Where does it say that Diana was bi?

[shepskisaac]

dazdaz28 wrote...

What would you think if Kaidan, Ashley and James were bi, we know that Diana is bi but would it be realistic if there was 4 bisexual people on the ship for romance?

No, just as it's not realistic Ashley is hot for a guy who beats women for no reason. Or that none of the LIs cares at all whether Shep is a walking angel or a sociopath. Neither it's realistic 90% of ManShep's female squadmates on his ship are into him.

Realism argument is great, but it falls flat on it ass along with people who use it when it coems to this franchise. Accessability & frequency of romances were never realistic in Mass Effect. LIs never cared if Shep's actions & choices were incompatible with their own moral standards. And almost no one complained. So if suddenly realism is a big issue for tons of pople because it's about the "too many bis", then I say it's nothing but hypocrisy.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 07 février 2012 - 08:03 .

[Ryzaki]

dazdaz28 wrote...

What would you think if Kaidan, Ashley and James were bi, we know that Diana is bi but would it be realistic if there was 4 bisexual people on the ship for romance?

Yay!

As for realistic...Shep came back from the dead. Realistic left ME a long time ago. But yes it would be plenty realistic. As realistic as a game with genocidal robots can get anyway.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 février 2012 - 08:03 .

[Sylvianus]

IsaacShep wrote...

dazdaz28 wrote...

No, just as it's not realistic Ashley is hot for a guy who beats women for no reason.

It you are talking about the journalist, it isn't about a man who punches a woman for no reason, but someone who is annoying and try to put words in his mouths. She also likes her commander and she doesn't want to see him annoyed by the lies of a journalist. In general, soldiers don't like journalists. Ashley could totally understand that. She isn't an innocent woman, a naive woman, she's is paragade and sometimes close to the renegade path. It was also said in M1 that she wasn't patient with civilians.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 février 2012 - 08:14 .

[shepskisaac]

Sylvianus wrote...

It you are talking about the journalist, it isn't about a man who punches a woman for no reason, but someone who is annoying and try to put words in his mouths. She also likes her commander and she doesn't want to see him annoyed by lies of a journalist. In general, soldiers don't like journalists. Ashley could totally understand that. She isn't an innocent woman, she's is paragade and sometimes close to the renegade path. It was said in M1 that she wasn't patient with civilians.

Fantastic. Not explain all the other choices that are incompatible with what Ash believes in and how she seems to ignore it all and still be into Shep. And yeah, you'll need to explain why all other LIs act the same way.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Ashley wouldn't punch a civilian, regardless of how annoying she or he was. She's pragmatic, not brutish. That isn't a very good defence.

[Litany of Fury]

IsaacShep wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

It you are talking about the journalist, it isn't about a man who punches a woman for no reason, but someone who is annoying and try to put words in his mouths. She also likes her commander and she doesn't want to see him annoyed by lies of a journalist. In general, soldiers don't like journalists. Ashley could totally understand that. She isn't an innocent woman, she's is paragade and sometimes close to the renegade path. It was said in M1 that she wasn't patient with civilians.

Fantastic. Not explain all the other choices that are incompatible with what Ash believes in and how she seems to ignore it all and still be into Shep. And yeah, you'll need to explain why all other LIs act the same way.

You know, it'd be really cool if they added LIs getting hacked off at the player for going against what they believe in or something like that. Would make it a lot more immersive in my opinion.

[What a Succulent Ass]

They at least have elements of this in ME3.

[Ryzaki]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Ashley wouldn't punch a civilian, regardless of how annoying she or he was. She's pragmatic, not brutish. That isn't a very good defence.

Yeah.

Pretty sure she gave my psycho Shep a weird look when he gunned down the mindless salarians too. (Think everyone gives Shep a weird look at that scene). Even when I was renegading Garrus and took Kaidan both of them pretty much went "Really Shep? That's not necessary." ) and when I paragon'd Garrus he even turned away when Shep did it.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 février 2012 - 08:21 .

[Sylvianus]

IsaacShep wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

It you are talking about the journalist, it isn't about a man who punches a woman for no reason, but someone who is annoying and try to put words in his mouths. She also likes her commander and she doesn't want to see him annoyed by lies of a journalist. In general, soldiers don't like journalists. Ashley could totally understand that. She isn't an innocent woman, she's is paragade and sometimes close to the renegade path. It was said in M1 that she wasn't patient with civilians.

Fantastic. Not explain all the other choices that are incompatible with what Ash believes in and how she seems to ignore it all and still be into Shep. And yeah, you'll need to explain why all other LIs act the same way.

Look, You tried to say it wasn't realistic according to her personality, I said you were wrong with this example. that's just  like your opinion, not a fact. I am not talking about other characters, I am talking about Ashley right now. I am not talking about other LI, I am talking about this example.

If you need absolutely to find everything wrong in Mass effect, to justify your opinion, fine. But, If I see something about Ashley I feel not correct, yep,  maybe I'll say something.

[Sylvianus]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Ashley wouldn't punch a civilian, regardless of how annoying she or he was. She's pragmatic, not brutish. That isn't a very good defence.

Where did I say, she would do that ? I said, she would understand why her commander, that she really likes is really annoyed by this crap. It isn't irrealistic. Not at all.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 février 2012 - 08:26 .

[KateKane]

Litany of Fury wrote...

You know, it'd be really cool if they added LIs getting hacked off at the player for going against what they believe in or something like that. Would make it a lot more immersive in my opinion.

They did that in DA:O and it was great.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Sylvianus wrote...

Where did I say, she would do that ? I said, she would understand why her commander, that she really likes is really annoyed by this crap. It isn't irrealistic. Not at all.

Everyone can understand wanting to punch an obnoxious person in the face. Understanding does not mean one wouldn't take issue with it.

[Sylvianus]

you can have a 'minor' problem with something, and keep silent. I do not see her at all, " oooh, what the hell did you do shepard ? you don't have the right to do that, blah blah blah. " That isn't ashley to me.

Also : also shepard punches a civilian, Kaidan complains, but not Ashley on eden prime. We see here already a difference.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 février 2012 - 08:39 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

I don't remember saying that she would QQ herself to sleep over it. To make a comparison, if ME incorporated a system like DAO's, it would likely be something like -2.

Regardless, the point is that she wouldn't agree with it (whilst punching reporters from a meta perspective is funny, in-universe it's thuggish and idiotic), and whilst it may be a small disagreement, no disagreements, major or minor, are reflected in ME at all. That was Isaac's point.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 07 février 2012 - 08:41 .

[shepskisaac]

Random Jerkface wrote...

and whilst it may be a small disagreement, no disagreements, major or minor, are reflected in ME at all. That was Isaac's point.

Exactly. Which is why I'm always "really?" when someone tries to use realism argument when talking how not all LIs should be be.

[Sylvianus]

Random Jerkface wrote...

I don't remember saying that she would QQ herself to sleep over it. To make a comparison, if ME incorporated a system like DAO's, it would likely be something like -2.

Okay, lol. That wasn't that clear at the beginning to be honest. You guys said she would take issue with it, and said before it wasn't realistic in the game according to her personality, so I assumed you expected her saying absolutely something on the matter. Otherwise why would you say it wasn't realistic ?

She could totally remain silent on this minor issue even if she is annoyed, since she is also a disciplined soldier. And she could also understand why her commander she respects was annoyed by this crap. He punched a ***, move on, whether agree or not. That is just what I wanted to say. I played also a renegade guy ( romance too ) with Ashley, she has also some lines that can help to read her.

Also, If you want to see how Ashley reacts with renegade actions, go to Eden prime again, and threat the first civilian and the second civilian. You'll see that ashley isn't disturbed by what Shepard is doing. On the opposite, she seems to despise the first civilian while this one is threatened by a gun, and if you are kind to the other, she says this one is lucky that the commander is there, otherwise she would kick his ass.

So don't be too sure how Ashley would react.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 février 2012 - 09:54 .

[Wrathra]

dazdaz28 wrote...

What would you think if Kaidan, Ashley and James were bi, we know that Diana is bi but would it be realistic if there was 4 bisexual people on the ship for romance?

Worrying that 4 squadmates being bi is unrealistic is kind of insane after the entire Lazarus Project thing, methinks.

Them being bi is awesome, says I. More choice, not less, is always better.

[ThePuppetWithNoStrings]

Wrathra wrote...

dazdaz28 wrote...

What would you think if Kaidan, Ashley and James were bi, we know that Diana is bi but would it be realistic if there was 4 bisexual people on the ship for romance?

Worrying that 4 squadmates being bi is unrealistic is kind of insane after the entire Lazarus Project thing, methinks.

Them being bi is awesome, says I. More choice, not less, is always better.

Oh no, my immersion! 

Seriously, having the LIs all be "bisexual" is great, in my opinion anyway.
If the LIs are available to both sexes then the choice is there for people who want it. And that's what people want in RPGs, isn't it? Choice.
I don't understand why some people get their knickers in a twist over it.  "Ret-conning!" "Unrealistic!" "Fan-service!" (Some LIs never actually stated their sexual preferences in-game/this is a game about *aliens* and *killer robots* - also, Project Lazarus anyone?/And all the romances in general are fanservice so you can't point at one in particular and call it fanservice because they all are.)

Just shut up and play the game, it's not hurting you. 

Modifié par ThePuppetWithNoStrings, 08 février 2012 - 08:53 .

[LaurenShepard-N7]

Ryzaki wrote...

And yeah still seeing it as shallow and stupid. Yes let's risk getting sick (at BEST) and having a lowered reaction time during a SM. That's smart.

Well it was a suicide mission, maybe Tali thought "hey I'm probably gonna be killed anyway, so I might as well not die a virgin".