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[devSin]

Imported_beer wrote...

The Den Asaan was decided- she would come with him to Sanhedhran. He had little idea of how well she would be received, but having her with him in any capacity would be a blessing. (Because) She was the only creature he could abide and her quiet acceptance of his character and her dutiful vigilance had recommended her to him infinitely.

Infinitely? Like, I'm surprised he could function with all those recommendations coming in.

Modifié par devSin, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:21 .

[Wrathra]

thats1evildude wrote...

Maybe you need a lover with murderous hands.

Now I'm seriously hearing that Pointer Sisters song, with murderous in the place of "slow."

www.youtube.com/watch

Pfeh, can't figure out how to link.

[Imported_beer]

devSin wrote... Like, I'm surprised he could function with all those recommendations coming in.

I stopped reading the Kindle novel at this point five months ago because I was *p***sed* but I think this is the time he grabs her with his murderous hands and silences her with a voracious kiss. Or was it a grasps her with his colossal paws and crushes her mouth with a violent kiss?

Which he does in Sten and the Warden too.


(The Sten's)murderous hands were upon her, but not around her neck as she thought they might have been. His warm, colossal paws had found their way into her disordered, dark hair and before she could stop him, he had drawn her forward and forced his mouth on hers, permanently silencing the Warden on the subject. 

Modifié par Imported_beer, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:31 .

[syllogi]

I wonder how the author feels about Skyrim's giants.

[LT123]

syllogi wrote...

There are people who find the idea of being violated to the point of internal bleeding, hemorrhaging, bruises, and possible broken bones...sexy

I'm scared.

Right, very creepy.

Alasdair and Mharvholan did make me snort with laughter though.

[devSin]

syllogi wrote...

I wonder how the author feels about Skyrim's giants.

Probably, because of the physics, she has to wait to land back on solid ground before determining the extent of the hemorrhaging.

Modifié par devSin, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:48 .

[Imported_beer]

Yes. It has been a while since I read Commander and I do not have a copy of that novel anymore. Mostly because I have no idea where I left my Kindle. Sten and the Warden, I always kept as evidence. Well hidden. 

syllogi wrote...

I wonder how the author feels about Skyrim's giants.

Not buff enough, I don't think. And far too obsessed with mammoths.

Modifié par Imported_beer, 27 janvier 2012 - 04:46 .

[Masako52]

Ugh, is this for real? I fully support fanfiction and fan-created works. But deciding you want to try to make money off of it, and barely changing a letter or two in the names/places, and calling it good? Man, that's low.

Everyone should spam her Amazon page with bad reviews. :-/

[Imported_beer]

BrotherWarth wrote... Her biggest gripe was that my leading female character couldn't have sex with my leading male character because he was gay and castrated..

....

Whoa.

[Masako52]

BrotherWarth wrote...

What makes this worse, in my eyes, is that it's a really lousy story that's been poorly written. She lifted great ideas from a great game and crapped on them. This woman is an awful writer. This is what I posted in an earlier thread about this:
I know that writer. I posted my own fanfiction of the DA universe and she gave me some advice on how to improve it. Her advice amounted to more sex, more innuendo, less dialogue and shorter fights. Her biggest gripe was that my leading female character couldn't have sex with my leading male character because he was gay and castrated.
She's a soap-opera writer. Nothing more.

How is it that the "novel" is even getting any positive reviews on Amazon? It's worse than those books with shirtless men and pirate ships on the covers.

Agreed, ten times over. I went to her Amazon page and am HORRIFIED that she's received so many positive reviews. Seriously, wtf, wtf, wtf.

[SeanMurphy2]

Good luck to her. She wrote a book which people enjoyed and were willing to pay for.

I am assuming she did not use phrases like Dragon Age, Ferelden, Sten, Qunari etc. So it is not clearly identifiable as part of the Dragon Age universe.

It seems a bit harsh to be contacting kindle to get her book taken down. It is not your decision to make.

[thats1evildude]

I have no desire to see the woman burned at the stake for her literary crimes. I'm just here to snark on the work and have a few laughs.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:08 .

[Imported_beer]

SeanMurphy2 wrote...

It seems a bit harsh to be contacting kindle to get her book taken down. It is not your decision to make.

Kindle/Amazon is not going to take the book off simply because a few people expressed that they believe this book is based on someone else's IP. The number of people required for them to react on the basis of fear of bad PR alone is substantial and the reasons need to be far more primal- like it advocated themes that society in general finds morally reprehensible.

EDIT: At best, they will review this with their own lawyers, and if they believe - like you- that this is not copyright infringement then nothing will happen. If they take it down, then well it would be their decision.

/Added "at best".

Modifié par Imported_beer, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:12 .

[Imported_beer]

BrotherWarth wrote...
Yeah. When I told her that his homosexuality and castration at the hands of (his fellow) soldiers was key to the character she basically said no one would read it if the 2 main characters never have sex.

So..if I am understanding right... your character motivations do not matter because the  only reason anyone reads any novel is because they want to see some between the sheets action?

I have half a personal library that contradicts that claim!

[Masako52]

thats1evildude wrote...

I have no desire to see the woman burned at the stake for her literary crimes. I'm just here to snark on the work and have a few laughs.

I dunno, there's "burning at the stake" and then there's pointing our her horrible lack of integrity. I'd sooner do that than snark on anyone's hard literary work - because remember, she is MAKING MONEY off of Bioware's developed ideas. I wouldn't care so much if she wasn't selling these books, but she is, it's an undeserved profit and that deserves some backlash, imo.

[Hakurou]

BrotherWarth wrote...

[snip]
I know that writer. I posted my own fanfiction of the DA universe and she gave me some advice on how to improve it. Her advice amounted to more sex, more innuendo, less dialogue and shorter fights. Her biggest gripe was that my leading female character couldn't have sex with my leading male character because he was gay and castrated.

/facepalm

SeanMurphy2 wrote...

Good luck to her. She wrote a book which people enjoyed and were willing to pay for.

I am assuming she did not use phrases like Dragon Age, Ferelden, Sten, Qunari etc. So it is not clearly identifiable as part of the Dragon Age universe.

It seems a bit harsh to be contacting kindle to get her book taken down. It is not your decision to make.

This thread has already pointed out a number of similarities, in text and lore, between The Commander and Den Asaan Rautu and the longform fanfiction Sten and The Warden, which the author has sent to David Gaider--and, if the Amazon commenter that started this kerfuffle is correct, which she disavows all knowledge of nevertheless.

You're right. It's not our decision whether this thing gets smacked down or not. But to condone the reskinning of fan-content being sold as something original? That's an entirely different issue altogether.

Modifié par Hakurou, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:32 .

[SeanMurphy2]

I don't see a problem with it. As long as she is not advertising the book as part of the dragon age universe or tricking DA fans into buying. Or using the trademarked terms.

Just seems like she was inspired by a situation presented in the game and wrote some weird story out of her own imagination.

If I had any literary talent, I would have loved to write a story about Ser Cauthrien wandering around Ferelden haunted by all that has happened. I would not use any lore, names, characters or awakening/DA2 plot. I just find the situation of where she is at the end of the game interesting.

She may only sell a handful of books and feel good about herself, maybe she will try to write something with more originality next time. Just seems petty to kick up a big fuss about something so small scale.

Modifié par SeanMurphy2, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:48 .

[caradoc2000]

SeanMurphy2 wrote...

I don't see a problem with it. As long as she is not advertising the book as part of the dragon age universe or tricking DA fans into buying. Or using the trademarked terms.

Just seems like she was inspired by a situation presented in the game and wrote some weird story out of her own imagination.

She may only sell a handful of books and feel good about herself, maybe she will try to write something with more originality next time. Just seems petty to kick up a big fuss about something so small scale.

So it is OK for me to steal your car if I am sufficiently inspired by it?

[DaWhirlpool]

I spent $3 on amazon to read
this infamous Haanta book on my kindle and I'm about 3/4 of the way through.I can't tell you how much I dislike romance
novels, so this isn’t easy for me to read but I want to read this for myself.

So now, I’m very angry. Not
at the author but at this thread. Sure, Alasdair and Alistair are reluctant
kings but need I remind you of Aragorn? Look, when I first played DA I thought “great,
another Tolkien clone. Ok don't be too cynical” but it turns out there’s more similarities
than I thought: smalltowngeeks.net/2010/12/03/daovslotr/

She wrote a DA fan fiction book first and then wrote another
one that kept a handful of similarities, I get it. DA is in no position to
point fingers though. I’m saddened that so many people lifted their pitchforks
without reading it first too.

As a result I can’t support this thread (even though I was
hoping to). I’m not going to slam her writing style because that would be petty.
I doubt I’ll read the last quarter either. 

[Hakurou]

SeanMurphy2 wrote...

I don't see a problem with it. As long as she is not advertising the book as part of the dragon age universe or tricking DA fans into buying. Or using the trademarked terms.

Just seems like she was inspired by a situation presented in the game and wrote some weird story out of her own imagination.

If I had any literary talent, I would have loved to write a story about Ser Cauthrien wandering around Ferelden haunted by all that has happened. I would not use any lore, names, characters or awakening/DA2 plot. I just find the situation of where she is at the end of the game interesting.

She may only sell a handful of books and feel good about herself, maybe she will try to write something with more originality next time. Just seems petty to kick up a big fuss about something so small scale.

Would you have tried to sell it without Bioware/EA's leave, though?

For all intents and purposes, this book IS a part of the Dragon Age universe, dressed up as something original. Par Vollen-Mharvholan and Seheron-Sanhedhran particularly stand out, as does Alistair-Alasdair and the "I have lost my sword, therefore I cannot go home" scenario presented in the text. She could have gone a long way in disguising the origins of this--but she didn't.

The author is turning a profit from (thinly-disguised) fanfiction, which in all except the very VERY best-case scenarios is just asking for trouble. Not just for herself, but other fanfic writers in general, who will feel the effects of any crackdown Bioware/EA may enforce after this.

And I do not consider plagiarism OR profiting from fanfic a petty matter.

Modifié par Hakurou, 27 janvier 2012 - 06:10 .

[tklivory]

caradoc2000 wrote...

So it is OK for me to steal your car if I am sufficiently inspired by it?

As long as you repaint it and change the locks, apparently, yes.