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[Tazzmission]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

So she is the most common romance option and somehow she wasn't sexy at all before? Let's make her more girly.

maybe because certain people dont like romancing some one who is a bible thumping racist.


is ash hot in me1?of course! but also remember a persons physichal image isnt what counts its who the person is.

[izmirtheastarach]

carine wrote...

It's not like BioWare's the first or the last to do it, but I do miss Ash from the first game where she wasn't sexualized at all. :/ 

Yeah, it's obvious that no one liked her the way she was. Huh?

Tazzmission wrote...

maybe because certain people dont like romancing some one who is a bible thumping racist.

Well I certainly can't go back and romance her retroactively. She's dead. But didn't a lot of people already do so? I mean a lot. Seems like I am one of like 10 male players who are going to have Kaidan in their game.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:25 .

[rallyfan]

Is there any pictures in this leak without spoilers?

[JeffZero]

Tazzmission wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

So she is the most common romance option and somehow she wasn't sexy at all before? Let's make her more girly.

maybe because certain people dont like romancing some one who is a bible thumping racist.


is ash hot in me1?of course! but also remember a persons physichal image isnt what counts its who the person is.

*sobs* And we were doing so well for a while here. Ya just had to pull the "Ashley is a raving racist" card out from the deck. What is that, like, a one-in-two odds card or something? Every BSN topic discussing characters to any significant extent has close to a 50% chance of this happening.

[iwasbor3dz]

Not what i expected it to look like. Figured it would look....well different.

[izmirtheastarach]

JeffZero wrote...

*sobs* And we were doing so well for a while here. Ya just had to pull the "Ashley is a raving racist" card out from the deck. What is that, like, a one-in-two odds card or something? Every BSN topic discussing characters to any significant extent has close to a 50% chance of this happening.

It's our own special version of Godwin's law.

[DiebytheSword]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Objectification versus celebration here.  The women in ME may be celebrated with form fitting armor (or lack thereof) but not objectified (none of them are pure meat, even Thane and Jacob have points outside of their sex appeal).

So I'm going to call BS on this one Cheezy, women and men can both be celebrated without being objectified.

There is a fine line and I don't feel that Bioware has crossed it enough for rage.

Hey, I'm just doing my part before they cross it and jump off the cliff.  I don't think Bioware's THAT BAD, but I think the fact that some of it is SO GOOD that makes it worse.

Ashley and EDI were the two female squadmates farthest away from the whole "must be sexy" trope.  And then this book comes out that says "must be sexy" was the most important thing considered in their design.  Don't you see how insulting that is?

Why did they have to say, "we gave Ash sex appeal?"  Why didn't they say, "we wanted her to be as beautiful as she is strong, and we wanted her uniform to be both military and stylish in a way that reflected her tough-yet-playful personality and increased confidence in herself" or something like that?

Sex appeal is negative in what way?  Is it wrong to enjoy the masculine or feminine forms?  By design we do, and our very survival as a species depends on attraction.  So no, I do not see it insulting, rather the opposite, flattering.

Why can't a strong woman be beautiful?  Why can't a smart woman?  Why are we forcing false dichotomies on everything.  There is no this or that, black or white; there are many of these and subtle shades of gray.

Now, if must be sexy were included in the guidelines for the writers to observe, then you would be on to insulting because that character is now being objectified.

If Ash's primary function was sexy, I'd have problems, but I don't.  Ashley is a marine, drop forged in combat, honed to a killing edge on her own, outside of Shepards shadow.  Ashley is celebrated, not insulted.

The same logic can be applied to all the ME characters, none of them are shallow enough to be objectified because they are so much more than their graphic design.

You know I love you like a sister from another mister, but I heartily disagree with you here.

[izmirtheastarach]

DiebytheSword wrote...


If Ash's primary function was sexy, I'd have problems, but I don't.  Ashley is a marine, drop forged in combat, honed to a killing edge on her own, outside of Shepards shadow.  Ashley is celebrated, not insulted.

Why then, did her appearance need to be changed?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:34 .

[DiebytheSword]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...


If Ash's primary function was sexy, I'd have problems, but I don't.  Ashley is a marine, drop forged in combat, honed to a killing edge on her own, outside of Shepards shadow.  Ashley is celebrated, not insulted.

Why then, did her appearance need to be changed?

Why then is she now defined by her dress when not in armor?  I ask you who is objectifying and who is celebrating.

There was no more need for her change than there was for any woman to wake up and do her hair or wear something pretty.  Is Ash now not allowed to be beautiful because she can kill you with her choice of gun?

Which of us is limiting her because of preconceptions?

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Well, I looked at one of the photos. And it looks weird lol.

[Esbatty]

Its not like they're playing White Snake music while Liara and Samara and Ashley and Miranda and Jack and Dr. Chakwas (SHUT UP, SHE IS SMOKIN') and Kelly are washing the Normandy by hand or anything.

...

Mmm, Dr. Chakwas.

[jbg927]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

hex23 wrote...

The "hot alien chick" trope has been around before "Star Trek". It's a part of sci-fi. I don't understand why people hang this on Bioware or EA. It makes zero sense honestly.

Because the trope sucks, I care about Mass Effect more than I care about Star Trek, and I know Bioware is capable of better than this.

Besides, smallpox was around for thousands of years.  Should we have kept that, too?

I know this was 2 pages ago but you just compared smallpox to a video game, I've heard it all now. Disclaimer:  this is in no way an insult to you 

[JeffZero]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Well, I looked at one of the photos. And it looks weird lol.

Kinda enigmatic.

[izmirtheastarach]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Why then is she now defined by her dress when not in armor?  I ask you who is objectifying and who is celebrating.

There was no more need for her change than there was for any woman to wake up and do her hair or wear something pretty.  Is Ash now not allowed to be beautiful because she can kill you with her choice of gun?

Which of us is limiting her because of preconceptions?

Your intelligent, well thought out response is no fun. I hate you.

[spirosz]

First people complain about EDI's look in ME2, now this. Oh man. The reason I like the new image for her is because of Jeffzero's explanation in his thread, but each it's own. We haven't even seen anything final, it's all just concept art. Look at Jack's concept in ME2 and then look at her final version, we might be surprised!

[JeffZero]

spiros9110 wrote...

First people complain about EDI's look in ME2, now this. Oh man. The reason I like the new image for her is because of Jeffzero's explanation in his thread, but each it's own. We haven't even seen anything final, it's all just concept art. Look at Jack's concept in ME2 and then look at her final version, we might be surprised!

Aww yeah, street cred.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

JeffZero wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Well, I looked at one of the photos. And it looks weird lol.

Kinda enigmatic.

I see what you did there...

Don't wanna say what it is, don't want to spoil the detail for someone lol.  If you read the leaks and looked at the art book pics, you might have an idea which one I'm talking about

[MrChowderClam]

The one that isn't EDI looked pretty freaking sweet, if you ask me =)

[dcal31]

So, to be as none spoileriffic as possible: selected part of the description "...infiltration unit that once had skin over the metal..."

Caprica 6....  is that you?

Modifié par dcal31, 27 janvier 2012 - 06:01 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Yes.

[Mecha3]

Ok I have to know. Spoilers don't bother me and my curiosity is sky high now. Can someone pm me where to find these images.

[UNiT]

Me too. Can someone PM me the link for the pics? Now i really want to know!

[Obvakhi]

Is just the same 2-3 pics? Or has the entire book been leaked now?

[Lieutenant Flashlight]

Obvakhi wrote...

Is just the same 2-3 pics? Or has the entire book been leaked now?

Just the same three pictures of two characters.  I'm not sure about the whole book... I mean if these got on the internet I wouldn't be surprised that more will start to show up before release of the game.