I_Raps wrote...
As for "doing dishes" - Elanee strongly hints that your male PC "does dishes" with the Horned One most of the game.
Hah.
I must try this game playing a male character someday.
kevL wrote...
He'd more likely be sitting there watching and being sarcastic. you know, Supervising haha
Yes, that kind of sounds like him.
Vaalyah wrote...
Darling, I'll do my best for let you understand this point... [whispering] doing dishes is just an excuse to talk in an big empty room ALONE!!! Ah, men! Sometimes they're just blind! 
Oh, now that makes much more sense! I wouldn't have guessed though. Male logic? Guilty.
I still imagine the others and PC will have to be very suspicious about him being so... willing all of the sudden. It's still a bit hard to swallow but maybe it's just because it's ripped out of context. I believe you, as a fellow Bishop fan, have it well thought out. I'll be a good girl and be patient then.
As for the game itself, I agree. A good RPG, and actually every other game as well, should make you feel like you live your character while playing. At least to some extent. In this aspect, OC does extremely well. And actually, MotB does a good job, too. It's quite an outstanding game on its own. The "problem" is, at least in my eyes, that OC is so good it's difficult to surpass. I still enjoy the expansion pack. I miss my companions and I miss Sword Coast but the game is engaging in its own way.
However, I understand.
Oh, and thank you for the links. I've read something about the mod. I also wanted to try the original game first. But I'll have to try the mod someday. I'm quite curious about it.
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As for the discussion going on here about Bishop being an evil bastard... Yes. Yes, he is an evil bastard. Or at least to some extent in the terms of modern society, definitely. But I think there's no logic in drawing parallels between a medieval-like fantasy world and the modern real world. I think we're trying to compare the uncomparable here.
If you lived in a world such as that of Neverwinter Nights, your biggest worries would be to survive, to get food and to "do dishes". A rough environment produces rough people. "Love" is a silly and rather modern concept, a fancy name for a coctail of hormones which tries to persuade you that "doing dishes" with certain someone and sometimes producing another "dishwasher" in the process is an incredibly great idea - at least for some time. (That's just my personal opinion, however.) I don't see a reason why, theoretically speaking, Bishop couldn't get injected a bit, given the right chemistry between him and PC, for example. I'm not speaking about "sweet" love confessions and living together happily ever after and other ridiculous stuff. If I were to imagine some sort of romance with Bishop, it would be a rough one and probably also a short one - because that's the only way I can imagine it could work. (Maybe Vaalyah will prove otherwise.)
Actually, if I were to speculate again, which I don't like very much, I think something like that kind of might have already happened in the game before. There definitely had been something between Bishop and Malin before he "lost respect for her" and they parted ways. Probably not in the means of "romantic" dinners in the light of candles but still.
And what's so interesting about Bishop? Mind you, I'm still speaking about a fictional fantasy story set in a medieval world. Bishop simply "smells" like alpha. I guess girls like that. Would I like him in the real world? No, I don't think so. I, in fact, normally hate jerks of all kinds. But in a hostile environment where you fight for survival nearly everyday, he seems manly, strong, self-sufficient, often quite reasonable, he doesn't whine etc. Plus, for me as a player, he is fun to have around because of his sarcastic remarks. I also guess that I having a soft spot for more or less rotten fictional characters that are not exactly good and not exactly evil may have something to do with it, as well. That's why I wanted to pair my character with him, not with cold, distant and surprisingly naive Casavir who barely talks and obeys like a well-trained dog. And when he does talk it's often just to complain. I don't hate him but he just doesn't fit to my current character at all.
Well, I think I've already stated what I like about Bishop clearly enough in various parts of the thread.
I'm not going to defend Bishop because he is, indeed, a jerk. Nevertheless, I think it's rather... brave to point a finger at him of anyone who played OC. Bishop burnt a village. But PC must have butchered at least ten times as many. Have you ever thought about that? But that's all right. They were enemies, right? That makes it okay.
I have to agree with Vaalyah. There's no point in discussing what's wrong (or right) with Bishop over and over again, whether he's a... walking personification of a certain area found on a male body and whatnot. That's not why I've started the thread. It wasn't my intention to complain or fawn over him. I'm glad that Vaalyah said that. No offence meant. As much as someone may not like it, Bishop is a fascinating character - at least for some of us. Fascinating in the same way Shandra/Qara/Neesha/fill your favourite here can be interesting for someone else. I just think it's outrageous that such a well-written character has been dumped as a romance option, that's all. And I'm grateful that people work so hard to bring that possibility back and I'm actually quite curious about their point of view. Yes, I'm afraid whether what I'll get will still qualify as Bishop but seeing the modders' devotion and effort, I believe it's going to be all right.
As Vaalyah says, we like the character and we enjoy the game. I wouldn't dig any deeper than that and try to interpret our interest in Bishop as some sort of masochistic tendency. I'd also like to add that I don't believe in that "bad boy will change for me because he loves me" kind of thing. I'd probably even lose interest in Bishop if that actually happened. If you like someone or something for what they are, why would you want them to change?
However, I must admit NoirAuteur has a point to an extent. Whoever dares to walk this path has to be extra careful to keep Bishop in character. He's indeed no angel and he can't just turn into some sort of infatuated puppy that will chase PC around. But I'm pretty sure Vaalyah knows better than anyone else. I'm still not sure about the dishes (real dishes this time, like plates and stuff, ahem), that's where I think NoirAuteur has a point, but I won't judge until I see the whole picture.
As for the redemption, I'm as curious as I'm sceptic. But I think it heavily depends on how it's executed and have no reason to doubt Vaalyah's work so far.
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), but if I don't explain it, it seems that Bishop is just a waitress. Yes, we are still arranging the tutu thing, but no waitress, believe me! 
are you mocking me? It's impossible, you can't really say this! He behaves with me like if he'd hate me!"
' That time I decided to bring constantly with me the both of them, just because it's extremely funny to hear them quarrelling :-P
I see.
That's one of the reasons why I like replaying games over and over again. I always manage to find something new, something that I haven't done yet. So, good for me, I guess. 
dark side?
