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[1136342t54_]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think the development of EDI's character is progressing rather nicely despite of her body.

Hell, she even starts to simulate hate at one point.

I wonder if we get a point where she just says "EXTERMINATE!!!!!!"

[Someone With Mass]

Oh, and Shepard refers to Legion as "he" during Overlord. That's good enough for me.

[Someone With Mass]

1136342t54 wrote...

I wonder if we get a point where she just says "EXTERMINATE!!!!!!"

Nah. That hate is aimed towards her creator.

I've always pictured her going SHODAN on people, anyway.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 27 janvier 2012 - 09:44 .

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Oh, and Shepard refers to Legion as "he" during Overlord. That's good enough for me.

I missed that.

I only managed to beat Overlord like once...or was it twice?

If only that damn Hammerhead wasn't tainting that DLC.

[upsettingshorts]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Oh, and Shepard refers to Legion as "he" during Overlord. That's good enough for me.

Works for me.

*flies away on mustache*

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 janvier 2012 - 09:36 .

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Someone With Mass wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

I wonder if we get a point where she just says "EXTERMINATE!!!!!!"

Nah. That hate is aimed towards her creator.

Boy, is there a single squadmate who doesn't extremely hate that guy? Maybe Vega...

[1136342t54_]

Someone With Mass wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

I wonder if we get a point where she just says "EXTERMINATE!!!!!!"

Nah. That hate is aimed towards her creator.

Oh well. A Dalek moment for EDI while blowing up a base would have been quite funny and a bit awesome.

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

I wonder if we get a point where she just says "EXTERMINATE!!!!!!"

Nah. That hate is aimed towards her creator.

Yay. There goes another potential I don't have daddy issues squadmember.

[mellifera]

Well, I think the Legion thing is more in reference to the body shape and voice, which is why I use "male" very, very lightly. I guess it would be better to say that Legion is masculine coded rather than actually male. Even if you play FemShep his piece of N7 armor is that of dude Shep's. I doubt Legion identifies with any gender, much less is any biological sex (especially since Legion isn't one program in the same way EDI is). But the Legion thing is just a reference point for comparison, the trend in portrayal of female characters that EDI adds to still stands without having to consider Legion a dude.

A better pronoun for Legion would probably be "they" anyway.

Modifié par yukidama, 27 janvier 2012 - 09:40 .

[JeffZero]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SMW asked me to come and post here.

I think what Bioware is doing with EDI is ridiculous. It reeks of cheesy fanservice and it makes it hard for me to take ME3 seriously. All in all it's a fairly immature twist on EDI's character development.

I'm surprised EDI's body doesn't have guns in its boobs.

It also kind of undermines what EDI became in ME2.

She was so great as the Normandy, why make a squadmate out of her? What does it actually add? We already get her commentary in missions since she's our mission controller basically. So we don't get anything new by having her there in physical form.

Welcome aboard, Saphra. While your opinions don't reflect my own in this instance, you're more than welcome to talk all the drivel and smack re: the EDI decision that you want. You'll find that in this case you're not exactly in the minority by any means, either. I want this thread to have as much conflicting discussion as necessary. Let's just stay civil about it so the mods don't decide it's too much and shut us down. 

[1136342t54_]

Ryzaki wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

I wonder if we get a point where she just says "EXTERMINATE!!!!!!"

Nah. That hate is aimed towards her creator.

Yay. There goes another potential I don't have daddy issues squadmember.

Considering who EDI's creator is I wouldn't be surprised for hating them. The fact he ordered EDI's creation just happenstance.

[nitefyre410]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

1, Man hating  Ice queen 

or 

2. Complete rejects everything about her own gender. 

Now that's just silly.  One can be attractive and feminine and still be badass.

But there's a difference between hotness and forced hotness.

Hotness:

*snip*

Forced Hotness:

*snip* 

 

Oh Cheeze is not silly   because it took some one else pointing it out to me to actually see it.  


 Now save the few exceptions to the Rule... such as Alyx, Jade (beyond good and evil) and a few others.   If  you look at sum total...it someone who complete hates  the other gender or complete rejects  her own... or you can add another in this  list ...the Tablua Rasa... a complete blank slate. 


Lets take Samus for instance..

Now for years she was Virgin  Mary holy grail of the female vidoe game protaganist... but what she  really was for those was nothing more than a character Avatar.  Come Other M and they  actually give her...personal issues, PTSD... and a rather complex  relationship with a father figure used to cover a 20 year game mechanic.  

It Really all fails down on the trope of Real Women don't Dress's

Which basical boils it down to  anything Female character showes that what ever we only think the maculine qualities donate strength.

Unemotional,  must never so weakness or vunlernablity, the goes on ( I coulld gone forever about some of the nonsense)  

if she does anything like ... Oh want to let her hair down, look pretty, wear a nice dress, have a crush on a guy, be mother want raise of a family...


I personally find  the last one to the most mind numbing.  

[Someone With Mass]

I never really saw what was so special about her being the ship in ME2. All I ever saw was an AI who at one point would probably want to be more. Like the geth. Like the AI on the Citadel. Like the Reapers.

[JeffZero]

Samus' depiction in Other M pretty much ruined her for me, though. She was always special to me because she didn't need a male to help her out of the really tough binds. She slobbered all over a dude in Other M and got all weak-kneed and incapable without him, really ransacking what was important about her to me.

[Ryzaki]

1136342t54 wrote...
Considering who EDI's creator is I wouldn't be surprised for hating them. The fact he ordered EDI's creation just happenstance.

True enough.

I wonder what her alternate outfit is? 

[1136342t54_]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I never really saw what was so special about her being the ship in ME2. All I ever saw was an AI who at one point would probably want to be more. Like the geth. Like the AI on the Citadel. Like the Reapers.

I mostly liked how it reminded me of Rommie from Andromeda. Probably the main reason why I'm not really against EDI's body since Rommie had one also. I was never for this but at the same time it was never out of the question for Bioware to do this. 

[FeralEwok]

Just my two cents on trying to sexualize something for the sake of being sexy:

Bioware did the same thing to a different degree in SWTOR with just a simple jedi outfit in game.

Male Version:


Female Version:


Having that outfit reduced in size serves no purpose other than to just show off some skin. It's practically offensive for just being so blatantly obvious. Then again in ME2 we had Jack in protective leather belt straps...

I don't know I just get miffed when I read in the first sentence of a discription "We had to make her sexy" Why? What is so important about trying to sexualize a robot? Are we that desperate for more sexual stimulation that we have to fantasize about Rosie the Robot too?

[nitefyre410]

JeffZero wrote...

Samus' depiction in Other M pretty much ruined her for me, though. She was always special to me because she didn't need a male to help her out of the really tough binds. She slobbered all over a dude in Other M and got all weak-kneed and incapable without him, really ransacking what was important about her to me.

 

Well that Relationships is boiled down to the Electra complex in short... Daddy Issues.... Remind you of someone.
 If you are talking about Ridley... that thing killed her whole damn  family when she was 7 or 10... truma is a ****.  


For anyone that is a trumatic experience and if  that same thing shows up  you freeze  here is the rub


 A guy does that  and over comes it... its a Crowning moment of Awesome 

A  female character does the exact same thing ...its Sexism.. 


The Commander ...well that was Nintendo's fault... They should learn that  20 year game mechanics...don;t translate in story function... because that all dude was.

[Ieldra]

Here's what I have to say about EDI:

(1) A sentient starship is cool, yet another humanoid team member is boring.
(2) Her romance with Joker makes narrative sense considering....well...that would be a major spoiler, but the execution appears to be ridiculous.
(3) I resent that she's gotten a team member slot that could've gone to an ME2 character.
(4) Her appearance is rather fanservice-y, as expected, but not nearly as bad as I feared. It also appears to be well-grounded in lore, apart from the simulated hair.

Since her dialogue is all I'm interested in, and my main Shepards are tech characters, adding her as a team member will likely add nothing to my playing experience. Nonetheless, if she's still the Normandy as well as possessing her new robot body, I'm fine with her. If she's not, I think the writers have removed an interesting element from the universe for a fanservice-y NPC nobody really needs. We'll see.

[HolyJellyfish]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I never really saw what was so special about her being the ship in ME2. All I ever saw was an AI who at one point would probably want to be more. Like the geth. Like the AI on the Citadel. Like the Reapers.

I don't know. If you watch Dr. Who, having EDI become the ship sort of reminded me of the Tardis turning human - with Dr. Who obviously being Joker.

It was really special watching Joker actually have a conversation with the one thing in this world he was meant to fly, and having the ship (obviously) take care of him, and call most of the shots.

Its still a very special thing.

[Ryzaki]

@FeralEwok: Stuff like that pisses me off. Please tell me there's at least a "male" version of the Jedi robes that the female can wear that covers her arms and stomach area?

[1136342t54_]

FeralEwok wrote...

Just my two cents on trying to sexualize something for the sake of being sexy:

Bioware did the same thing to a different degree in SWTOR with just a simple jedi outfit in game.

Male Version:


Female Version:


Having that outfit reduced in size serves no purpose other than to just show off some skin. It's practically offensive for just being so blatantly obvious. Then again in ME2 we had Jack in protective leather belt straps...

I don't know I just get miffed when I read in the first sentence of a discription "We had to make her sexy" Why? What is so important about trying to sexualize a robot? Are we that desperate for more sexual stimulation that we have to fantasize about Rosie the Robot too?

That is like the only Jedi outfit I've seen like that in that MMO. That is the only outfit in the Old Republic that is actually a lot different than a male outfit. Probably just tossed in their for some difference.