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[HolyJellyfish]

Hello Man wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

I dont mine EDI being a squadmate the way she is shown from the artbook but I dont want her to be replacing Legion, I just hope if we kept Legion alive we get him back because I love my Geth squadmate.

He should remain a sqaud mate. He came in so late and hardly got to use him on main missions.

I agree. Legion was so interesting. But I can understand why he wouldn't be - since the player has the option of A) Offing him,  Sending him to Cerberus, etc. etc. etc. It would have been an awkward arc to continue into ME3, as a squadmate.

I understand the writing staff's want to explore issues of Organic vs Machine through another squadmate, like EDI. But unless there is a very good in game reason for why she looks like a human dipped in chrome paint, I'm not too pleased with the design choice.

[DarthSliver]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

I am only against EDI getting a body to become a squadmate if it prevents people who got Legion to survive the suicide mission from having him as a Squadmate. Sorry but I dont support an EDI that replaces Legion, because Legion is an awesome character we hardly use because you get him near the endgame mission.

I don't think Legion was ever going to be a permanent ME3 squadmate, regardless of EDI.

Blashmey(probably didnt spell that right lol) 

How dare you say such a thing towards the best squadmate ever lol

I'm just being realistic.

Well I understand why he might not be a squadmate, but whose replace Garrus and Tali if you killed them I heard they are suppose to be in the main rooster.

[spirosz]

Bioware really has to stop throwing around the word "sexy" so much, it's been in a few of their design descriptions lately.  First Ashley and then EDI, who's next, Jack? I have yet to be displeased with any of their concept arts so far (for any character), it's just their descriptions of why they're changing the look for certain characters that bugs me.

Modifié par spiros9110, 27 janvier 2012 - 10:32 .

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

DarthSliver wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

I am only against EDI getting a body to become a squadmate if it prevents people who got Legion to survive the suicide mission from having him as a Squadmate. Sorry but I dont support an EDI that replaces Legion, because Legion is an awesome character we hardly use because you get him near the endgame mission.

I don't think Legion was ever going to be a permanent ME3 squadmate, regardless of EDI.

Blashmey(probably didnt spell that right lol) 

How dare you say such a thing towards the best squadmate ever lol

I'm just being realistic.

Well I understand why he might not be a squadmate, but whose replace Garrus and Tali if you killed them I heard they are suppose to be in the main rooster.

Nobody replaces them; if you killed them, you're down two squadmates.

[nitefyre410]

yukidama wrote...

God, okay, every woman on your team. Most NPCs (who wear the same generic skintight dresses with or without giant cutouts). Doesn't really invalidate my point.

 


 ...I never said your point was invalid ...I was agreeing with you . 

[Hyrist]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

You don't know that. They could just as easily design a male robot with a body very similar to a human form that could be "sexy" i.e. very attractive.

As far as ME's design trends go, its pretty much a guarantee that EDI would probably not have a sexy attractive sleak might-as-well-be-a-naked-man dipped in chrome paint with a bulge, leaving no room to the imagination. Oh, and Fabio Hair. Because having a humanoid AI /needs/ to have hair.

I mean, look at the designs for all the squadmates.

Sexxay females:
Liara, Tali's(hips?), Ashley, Jack, Samara/Morinth, Miranda

Sexxay Men:
Jacob, Kaiden

Its very unbalanced.

I just wish there was a woman on the writing staff for ME. Deus Ex: Human Revolution's designer even stated he had to key back some of what he considered crazy sexiness because the lead writer was a woman, and it put him in a different position. I feel like ME is sort of dealing with the same thing. Especially with EDI's direction.

This may have less to do with a woman on the writing staff and more to do with the fact that ME players are buy in lage male dominant.

What appeals about Garrus? His ruggedness pluss his inner fragility. But overall, he's that kind of 'manly guy' you'd bromance with. There's a bit there for females who want to look into depth.

Sex on the 'male is the object of affection' aspect is hard to pull off on a guy's side. Because Men have a pretty streamlined idea of what's 'sexy' for a woman, but women have various tastes as to what's sexy for a guy.

Sure, firm muscel tone, maybe a chizzeled jaw. But what beyond that? That's up to the girl's prefrence.

I mean, I'm sure some girls found anderson sexy. Maybe more will find Vega sexy. Heck, maybe some girls found Garrus sexy.

I don't think a female writer would have done much difference in the crew. And bringing one on this late in the seriese might have changed the tone a bit too much.

[1136342t54_]

yukidama wrote...

God, okay, every woman on your team. Most NPCs (who wear the same generic skintight dresses with or without giant cutouts). Doesn't really invalidate my point.

Didn't say it was supposed to. I was clearly making a correction.

[100k]

Mesina2 wrote...

I'll start.

It's ridiculous and pointless.

Of all characters from previous games, she shouldn't be chosen to be squadmate in ME3.

And she looks very, very bad.



*sigh*

My only hope she doesn't become bad as ME1 Liara Asari.

Agreed. 

And I can now see why they decided to give Ashley armor as her main combat gear, rather than her leather combat outfit: they now have EDI to fulfill the role of sex'd up female character.

Disappointing. We essentially have the ME1 squad + EDI back... minus Wrex...

I really was hoping for Samara/Morinth, Grunt, Thane, or Zaeed to fulfill EDI's space.

[DarthSliver]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

He should remain a sqaud mate. He came in so late and hardly got to use him on main missions.

It's funny because Legion is the only squadmate you could justify bringing back no matter what happened to him in ME3.

After all as a geth he can just upload or copy his programs and store them somewhere. All he needs is a new body.

Did you sell him to Cerberus? Then he can escape and track you down again. Now he has a new paint job though.

Did he die in the suicide mission? Then it can be revealed that he made a back-up and hid it somewhere just before you went through the relay.

Well I believe Legion stated that if he died at the Collector base he wouldnt come back because he wouldnt be able to make a backup. Geth only make backups once they die from what I understand and since Legion couldnt send a signal that his body died than as far as the Geth know that body is still functioning or whatever. I dont know how it completely works but the body has to die first before the back up is made is the best understanding of it.

[1136342t54_]

Hello Man wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Bioware really has to stop throwing around the word "sexy" so much, it's been in a few of their design decisions lately. Ashley, EDI, who's next, Jack? I have yet to be displeased with any of their concept arts so far (for any character), it's just their descriptions of why they're changing the look for certain characters that bugs me.

I didn't like the term Sexy either. People throw that around too much that its turned into something sexual. I think a better term would have been beautiful or attractive. Of course we don't want ugly rusted robot body!!!

It wouldn't make much of a difference. People would just say "Attractive is just another word for sexy. You can't trick us that easily Bioware!"

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

So have her take control of a mech for a mission. That might be neat and it would give her something new to talk about. However it wouldn't overstay its welcome. That's what EDI's body is going to do in ME3: overstay its welcome. Like I said, once the novelty wears off you'll realize you got gyped. You got EDI in a body in place of a new character or further development of an old character. EDI was never going anywhere, she was always going to be there on the Normandy and always going to be commentating on your missions.

So what did you gain?

I'd have rather had one of the ME2 squad or a new person entirely.

Oh no, I can't get one of the old ME2 squad instead of EDI, who'll always be there. Yeah, it totally wouldn't feel forced if one of them abandoned their own story just so Shepard could have one extra squadmate to play with.

I honestly don't care if I could one entirely new squadmate or someone old from ME2, and everything will overstay its welcome sooner or later, so that doesn't really matter to me either.

Not to mentioned that with EDI's body, I don't have to sacrifice anyone if there happens to be a tight spot in ME3, where I have to leave someone behind.

I also have another tech who has a nice synergy with the other tech I have.

[HolyJellyfish]

spiros9110 wrote...

Bioware really has to stop throwing around the word "sexy" so much, it's been in a few of their design descriptions lately.  First Ashley and then EDI, who's next, Jack? I have yet to be displeased with any of their concept arts so far (for any character), it's just their descriptions of why they're changing the look for certain characters that bugs me.

Yeah. Its sort of a turn off. I'm not a fan for that kind of push.

This is an interesting article, too. About designing female characters in videogames. It features the designer from FFXIII and another designer from Deus Ex: Human Machina, and what is the primary motivation of how they design female characters.

Its frustrating, and shows why there really needs to be more diverse blood in larger game panels to try new things. Other than 'Sexy' and 'I only design women I'd like to sleep with'.

[FFWarQueen]

Am I the only one who likes EDI's design? She looks pretty damn amazing, I was sceptical at first but it will be awsome to have the crazy AI in my squad!

Modifié par FFWarQueen, 27 janvier 2012 - 10:36 .

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Not to mentioned that with EDI's body, I don't have to sacrifice anyone if there happens to be a tight spot in ME3, where I have to leave someone behind.

You're hinting something.

[Darth Asriel]

EDI getting a body and romancing Joker is childish pandering at best and clichè fanfiction at worst. Bioware should be above this. EDI was the Normandy, that was her body. Now she's a squaddie? If we needed a tech squaddie so bad why not Tali(in the game), Mordin, or Legion? Yes, they could have died, but you can go back and replay it so they don't.

And as for her "romance" with Joker it's just weird. Why does he need a sexbot? Joker has never been portrayed as socially awkward or lacking in confidence. His VS would not prevent him from getting a girl. Hell, Kelly had a thing for everything with 2 legs on the ship. I'm sure he could tap that.

[Hyrist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Is it? For an AI like EDI, who always has been locked inside the boundaries of a ship or other strucutures during her whole life, gaining a body to experience the outside world from new perspective other than being the mere observer could mean a lot for her evolution.

So have her take control of a mech for a mission. That might be neat and it would give her something new to talk about. However it wouldn't overstay its welcome. That's what EDI's body is going to do in ME3: overstay its welcome. Like I said, once the novelty wears off you'll realize you got gyped. You got EDI in a body in place of a new character or further development of an old character. EDI was never going anywhere, she was always going to be there on the Normandy and always going to be commentating on your missions.

So what did you gain?

I'd have rather had one of the ME2 squad or a new person entirely.

You're assuming EDI has no character development in the realm of sexuality.

EDI learned anthromorphism to an extend in becomming the Normady, now that she gets a body, one that can be consitered attractive, the subject of sexuality, and how an AI handles this possibility, and vise versa for joker.

[nitefyre410]

Darth Asriel wrote...

EDI getting a body and romancing Joker is childish pandering at best and clichè fanfiction at worst. Bioware should be above this. EDI was the Normandy, that was her body. Now she's a squaddie? If we needed a tech squaddie so bad why not Tali(in the game), Mordin, or Legion? Yes, they could have died, but you can go back and replay it so they don't.

And as for her "romance" with Joker it's just weird. Why does he need a sexbot? Joker has never been portrayed as socially awkward or lacking in confidence. His VS would not prevent him from getting a girl. Hell, Kelly had a thing for everything with 2 legs on the ship. I'm sure he could tap that.

 


The Body I have not   a problem with....

the Romance with Joker.... the jury is still out on  that... you don't build a freaking romance..off a  joke... really. 

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

It's funny because Legion is the only squadmate you could justify bringing back no matter what happened to him in ME3.

After all as a geth he can just upload or copy his programs and store them somewhere. All he needs is a new body.

Did you sell him to Cerberus? Then he can escape and track you down again. Now he has a new paint job though.

Did he die in the suicide mission? Then it can be revealed that he made a back-up and hid it somewhere just before you went through the relay.

It wouldn't be Legion, because Legion had a unique code structure. That code will be reset if you copy his programs. Same goes for EDI. Their personalities would be gone forever.