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[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

That wasn't the point; the point was that she's not so important that she would need to be on the squad.

You aren't as clever as you think you are.

Clearly you don't know what I was talking about when it brought it up or what point I was making.

I never said this MUST HAPPEN. Just that it was better than EDI in some retarded sex robot.

Your point was that Miranda would be beneficial to the squad because she has Cerberus information. My point was that she could use her knowledge of Cerberus without being on the squad. Which is true.

And I know you'd prefer anything to EDI; that's already been made clear.

[Ryzaki]

@Cheez: Huh. I found it tripe and cheesy myself. Almost as cavity inducing as the peace ending between the geth and the quarians.

[1136342t54_]

Ryzaki wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...
No Grayson went rogue before ME2. Retribution happens after the SM.

So why would TIM give his second in command his future plans? If I recall anything he was pretty sure Miranda would obey any of his commands. Hell she was his watchdog for Shepard.

Don't know. Not the first time canon for books conflicted with the game. I haven't really read the Spoilers so I'm not sure how relevant Miranda's information about Cerberus is in ME3. All I can assume is that Cerberus is different enough that some of Miranda's info about Cerberus is out of date.

[TMA LIVE]

1136342t54 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

What I don't understand (and maybe someone already said this, but whatever), is how is she in control of an avatar away from the Normandy, while still being the AI for the Normandy? Is Joker working without her when she's gone?

She is still in control of the Normandy but also can control the Android body at the same time. Similar to Rommie.

And nothing is blocking her signal?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 27 janvier 2012 - 11:26 .

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Your point was that Miranda would be beneficial to the squad because she has Cerberus information.

That she could be if you want to write it that way. It is easier to believe than the Shadow Broker as a squadmate, a Prothean as a squadmate, EDI as a squadmate, and a massive Cerberus army.

Unlike all those other characters you just mentioned, she could be dead.

[nitefyre410]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I never said this MUST HAPPEN. Just that it was better than EDI in some retarded sex robot.

You know, sexbot aside (which is GOD DAMN IT BIOWARE RUINED FOREVER PRE-ORDER CANCELLED), the writing for her is really well done.  Thoughtful, sweet, and funny as hell.

So long as the camera doesn't do the Miranda thing, I might actually be okay with her.

 


If  Bioware  every does that again ... you have would have beat me to Edmonton... that **** was just unesscessary.... DAMNIT  quality control.    

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Ryzaki wrote...

@Cheez: Huh. I found it tripe and cheesy myself. Almost as cavity inducing as the peace ending between the geth and the quarians.

I like the geth/quarian peace ending. Certainly better than either moronic "genocide FTW" ending.

[1136342t54_]

TMA LIVE wrote...
And nothing is blocking her signal?

Likely not. Remember they could be using tech similar to the Reapers. They can easily communicate from long distances without lag. Probably another Quantum Entaglement device is being used.

[Ryzaki]

1136342t54 wrote...
Don't know. Not the first time canon for books conflicted with the game. I haven't really read the Spoilers so I'm not sure how relevant Miranda's information about Cerberus is in ME3. All I can assume is that Cerberus is different enough that some of Miranda's info about Cerberus is out of date.

Ugh so silly. Some of it yeah but she has enough good intel to give to Shepard.

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

@Cheez:
Huh. I found it tripe and cheesy myself. Almost as cavity inducing as
the peace ending between the geth and the quarians.

Well that's Cheez for you.

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Unlike all those other characters you just mentioned, she could be dead.

Very uncommon for her to be dead.

They have to allow for the possibility though.

[Ryzaki]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

@Cheez: Huh. I found it tripe and cheesy myself. Almost as cavity inducing as the peace ending between the geth and the quarians.

I like the geth/quarian peace ending. Certainly better than either moronic "genocide FTW" ending.

More like self defense ftw since I'm siding with the geth.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

No, show some integrity and maintain an intelligent opinion.

My intelligent opinion is this:

I like EDI.  I like where her character goes in ME3.  I like her dialogue, and her power loadout looks cool.  Hell, I even think her new look is cute.  But I think the sexualization was completely unnecessary and reflects poorly on Bioware as a whole.  Blatant sexualization is nothing but a cheap appeal to the lowest common denominator of the "target audience," and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The EDI thing was a bad move, but some good things came out of it.  I would rather have an ME2 squadmate take her place (Miranda and Legion are obvious candidates), but like Miranda, EDI's pretty cool once you get past the fact that her character design was an offering to the gods of the mouthbreathers.

[Someone With Mass]

TMA LIVE wrote...

And nothing is blocking her signal?

I think she installed a small part of herself to remain functional without the signal.

[Ryzaki]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Unlike all those other characters you just mentioned, she could be dead.

Very uncommon for her to be dead.

They have to allow for the possibility though.

Well they made Tali and Garrus squaddies even though they can be dead. Plus in ME2 if you killed all but two biotic squaddies. You just had to deal with having 2 biotic squaddies.

This handholding BS is getting on my nerves.

[Icinix]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

So long as the camera doesn't do the Miranda thing, I might actually be okay with her.

Yeah - I still don't like where their heads were at with the design process, but if it doesn't become a point for EDI's character throughout the game - then sure. I'll roll with it.

[1136342t54_]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh so silly. Some of it yeah but she has enough good intel to give to Shepard.

Interesting. Either way I wouldn't really expect Miranda to be on Shepard's team due to the information. While it could be useful I would assume the Alliance would use both her and Jacob to root out Cerberus cells and maybe some informants. Maybe when they gain more trust have them lead strike teams against Cerbrus bases.

[mellifera]

nitefyre410 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

What I don't get is why the entire idea of good-looking squadmates is being torn to shreds here. What would it take to make everyone here happy? A squad made up of Vorcha, Krogan, and Batarians? Oh yeah, and a horribly disfigured human who grouches his way through missions. Unless that's pandering to the human crowd. God, who do these people think they are loving humans? Just think! The only romanceable squadmate could be a Batarian! Then we wouldn't have 'pandering' and 'sexiness'.

I can agree that their character designs are a bit... sexualized, but the alternative being the generic retex armors from ME1? I'm happier now. Oh, and yes, this is a straw man. I'm just a little peeved that every single bit of news we get is met with "BUT THIS ISN'T WHAT I WANTED BIOWARE"

The problem isn't attractiveness. I really hate the whole counterpoint that if people find the designs problematic they must hate attractive people (because we know they are oh so oppressed!!). Read what people are saying. The issue is when it is this pervasive and the devs themselves essentially say "Well, of course we had to make her sexy". Why, though? Why does she (and "she" is pretty much any female character) have to be sexy? There isn't anything wrong with sexiness, what bothers people is the way it is being done and the reasons for it. I actually really like the idea of giving EDI a body and story-wise there could be so so so many interesting things done with it. I am not even saying EDI needs to look like a LOKI mech or anything.

I love unique looks. Love them. I would rather die than go back to the one-size-fits-all of ME1 or DAO. But there's unique looks and then there's... what they're doing. There is a middle ground between the generic armor and sexualized unique looks for everyone. It's a false dichotomy. It doesn't have to be either/or, look at DA2.

And I am giving them my money. I am not asking them to change anything as much as to take a step back and realize that their entire consumer base isn't made up of people who want to see ONLY conventionally sexy women and gruff dudes. It is the norm in so many other forms of media, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for something different just once, or to be disappointed when a company you love to pieces that makes games you love to pieces insults parts of their customer and fan base in so many ways. 

 

 You are correct  it is a completely false dichotomy but  look at as soon as you see anything with a hint of attractiveness the first thing that comes out of anyones mouth is ...  sexism.   Which is just a convient arguement some use to voice their  dissapproval or what some truely lonely men uses because they think it would get some attention from "Gamer Girlz" . While very few actually give a rat ass about how the characters are actually protayed. 

Really   thing  I find distrubing  is this notion  that...

Attractive =/= smart, strong  and capable  and the reverse..

Smart, Strong and Capable =/= attractive. 

I personally find extremes to completely off base.
  

Except I am not saying that at all.

I never said that "attractiveness" means you cannot be strong, capable or smart. The issue is when one standard of attractiveness is used to design the main female characters in one game (in this case, super sexy in terms of skintight clothing, curvaceous bodies and conventionally attractive features). I never said that Miranda was stupid or Samara wasn't strong or Kasumi wasn't capable, did I? I was directing a criticism at the DESIGNERS, not the characters themselves. I love these characters. I just wish the designers did a bit better by them sometimes.