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[1136342t54_]

Ryzaki wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...
Now that really should have tipped them off lol.

Damn your teasing. I'm probably going to stop posting much on here or at least argument wise. I will end up reading more spoilers than I would like eventually.

That's what I thought.



Mini Reaper to make up for it



by ~SteelJoe

I have to say that is pretty awesome. 

[nitefyre410]

1136342t54 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...
Now that really should have tipped them off lol.

Damn your teasing. I'm probably going to stop posting much on here or at least argument wise. I will end up reading more spoilers than I would like eventually.

That's what I thought.



Mini Reaper to make up for it



by ~SteelJoe

I have to say that is pretty awesome. 

 


makes me wish that Mass Effect was side scroller platform shooter. 

[1136342t54_]

Someone With Mass wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

The thing is the fact that the VI is using such advanced systems would be of great interest to the Alliance. Probably help them with their AI research.

That might be true, but it's still best to check with the people involved first and see if there's anything worth dismantling the machine for, so they won't run the risk of wasting time.

Remember the Alliance seem  to be actually redesigning parts of the Normandy making it more of an Alliance ship.  Actually it is possible that the techs saw the VI systems as likely a more advanced version of VI tech and decided to not bother with it until everything else was done. Even then I'd say unless the Blue Box is well hidden or the techs simply didn't care at the time it should have been found.

I can swallow the Alliance not finding it but likely due to a bit of luck.

[AdmiralCheez]

nitefyre410 wrote...

makes me wish that Mass Effect was side scroller platform shooter.

Omigod yes.  Someone, please, make it happen.

[Genshie]

GodWood wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...
Except for all the positive ones in this thread.

Well this certainly doesn't invalidate what I said as I was saying I have yet to see a positive comment on the other site.

But don't get your fanboy knickers in a knot, I'm sure someone will like it.

 You haven't been looking very hard. In fact one of the sites where the page leaked has plenty of people who like it and or are waiting till the game IS OUT to make judgements.

[Genshie]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

makes me wish that Mass Effect was side scroller platform shooter.

Omigod yes.  Someone, please, make it happen.

 Metal Slug ala Mass Effect style?

[Wynne]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...


That has nothing do with  body designed that just Bioware's crappy romance writting  showing its ugly head again.. I think that issue and the design of the body itself are two different issues that are getting lumped together.

The body is integral to that dialogue. If she never received a body, or if that body was just a standard unattractive unit, or something other than predictable sexy sexy times lady bot with pasties on - it would be interesting.

Unfortunately, the writing /is/ to blame in this circumstance. Writing typically, if not always, comes before design. The writers often dictate what is to be designed, or help with the process. The writers wanted to focus on this romance, because heaven forbid a female character exist in Mass Effect without being some predictable romance object.

With the exception of Samara. Who ****ing rules in my book.

Quite.

EDI getting a robotic body isn't what bugs me. It's the fact that it is designed more to do things to the budding genitalia of adolescent boys than to look like it ever had a purpose beyond that. And it's "sexy" not even in a fetishy Number 6 ripoff kinda way, but in a fetishy Japanese fembot kinda way. If it even has female parts, they're--metallic, ffs! How are you going to have sex with metal?!

I could not be more creeped out by this. I can't imagine anything more sad than a person forsaking human/organic contact for a metal husk which has never felt anything before--sexual or emotional--and, at best, is like a child just now experiencing those feelings for the first time.

This is repulsive and pathetic. It makes me wonder why I ever liked Joker, if he would take advantage of a just-born EDI like that. But I guess I shouldn't blame the character for this terrible mockery of a plotline.

If it were a sexy male body, for the record, I'd be just as disgusted. No way would I choose a child mind in a sexed-up metal body instead of a real flesh-and-blood person--that's incredibly sad and f***ed up. I have way more respect for myself than that.

Too bad someone thought Joker didn't.

[Icinix]

Wynne wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...


That has nothing do with  body designed that just Bioware's crappy romance writting  showing its ugly head again.. I think that issue and the design of the body itself are two different issues that are getting lumped together.

The body is integral to that dialogue. If she never received a body, or if that body was just a standard unattractive unit, or something other than predictable sexy sexy times lady bot with pasties on - it would be interesting.

Unfortunately, the writing /is/ to blame in this circumstance. Writing typically, if not always, comes before design. The writers often dictate what is to be designed, or help with the process. The writers wanted to focus on this romance, because heaven forbid a female character exist in Mass Effect without being some predictable romance object.

With the exception of Samara. Who ****ing rules in my book.

Quite.

EDI getting a robotic body isn't what bugs me. It's the fact that it is designed more to do things to the budding genitalia of adolescent boys than to look like it ever had a purpose beyond that. And it's "sexy" not even in a fetishy Number 6 ripoff kinda way, but in a fetishy Japanese fembot kinda way. If it even has female parts, they're--metallic, ffs! How are you going to have sex with metal?!

I could not be more creeped out by this. I can't imagine anything more sad than a person forsaking human/organic contact for a metal husk which has never felt anything before--sexual or emotional--and, at best, is like a child just now experiencing those feelings for the first time.

This is repulsive and pathetic. It makes me wonder why I ever liked Joker, if he would take advantage of a just-born EDI like that. But I guess I shouldn't blame the character for this terrible mockery of a plotline.

If it were a sexy male body, for the record, I'd be just as disgusted. No way would I choose a child mind in a sexed-up metal body instead of a real flesh-and-blood person--that's incredibly sad and f***ed up. I have way more respect for myself than that.

Too bad someone thought Joker didn't.

This.

The way I see it they missed a really interesting opportunity here to have a character potentially full in love with an AI. A character that had no physical body as we know it, where the relationship developed purely on an intellectual level. If there was a physical body inovlved, it could have been a plain as day C-3PO looking model - a non-gendered chasis to carry around the AI - once agian raising questions about a character developing feelings for a unique and indivdual character without needing to resort to anything else but the personality - as that relationship developed and players and the crew in game could look on with their own opinions. A mini study of what it means to have feelings of some type. Hell you could have the character in question begin questioning themselves. If that developed and that continued - then I don't see why if the opportunity presented itself for the romance story arc to introduce a male / female body for the AI if that was where the romance decided to go.

Right now there are probably a bunch of people reading this going "Eeww....nerd fan saying sick things..." or of the like. Probably the same people who claim "Yeah, they made her sexy. So what? Get over it."

Considering the whole games interest in AI, are they machines, are they sapient etc. Seems like that approach would have been much more powerful than "We needed sexy time with EDI".


Just a thought.

[Seboist]

INT. BIOWARE SCREEN ROOM.

The Mass Effect team sit around a table as Fritz Lang's sci-fi masterpiece Metropolis finishes:

C. Hudson: "Awesome movie guys. What shall we take from this? The themes
of industrialisation, capitalism, religion, social and economic
injustice? The deep symbolism? The incredible mise-en-scene?"

M. Walters: "I know! The robot with boobs."

C. Hudson: "Genius man. That's why we hired you Mac."

Link

Modifié par Seboist, 28 janvier 2012 - 11:43 .

[Seboist]

Wynne wrote...

Quite.

EDI getting a robotic body isn't what bugs me. It's the fact that it is designed more to do things to the budding genitalia of adolescent boys than to look like it ever had a purpose beyond that. And it's "sexy" not even in a fetishy Number 6 ripoff kinda way, but in a fetishy Japanese fembot kinda way. If it even has female parts, they're--metallic, ffs! How are you going to have sex with metal?!

I could not be more creeped out by this. I can't imagine anything more sad than a person forsaking human/organic contact for a metal husk which has never felt anything before--sexual or emotional--and, at best, is like a child just now experiencing those feelings for the first time.

This is repulsive and pathetic. It makes me wonder why I ever liked Joker, if he would take advantage of a just-born EDI like that. But I guess I shouldn't blame the character for this terrible mockery of a plotline.

If it were a sexy male body, for the record, I'd be just as disgusted. No way would I choose a child mind in a sexed-up metal body instead of a real flesh-and-blood person--that's incredibly sad and f***ed up. I have way more respect for myself than that.

Too bad someone thought Joker didn't.

The creepy pedo undertones with this sexbot story are quite disturbing.

An A.I that couldn't even grasp something as basic as delivering a simple joke is now being plunged into a romantic/sexual relationship and all the emotional baggage it entails? And since when does EDI even have a gender identity? "She" could easily be reprogrammed to have a male voice and nothing would be different about "her".

I also "like" how "she" looks to have a swimsuit painted on to emphasis "her" crotch area.

Real classy Bioware.

[SonyFE]

Seboist wrote...

Wynne wrote...

Quite.

EDI getting a robotic body isn't what bugs me. It's the fact that it is designed more to do things to the budding genitalia of adolescent boys than to look like it ever had a purpose beyond that. And it's "sexy" not even in a fetishy Number 6 ripoff kinda way, but in a fetishy Japanese fembot kinda way. If it even has female parts, they're--metallic, ffs! How are you going to have sex with metal?!

I could not be more creeped out by this. I can't imagine anything more sad than a person forsaking human/organic contact for a metal husk which has never felt anything before--sexual or emotional--and, at best, is like a child just now experiencing those feelings for the first time.

This is repulsive and pathetic. It makes me wonder why I ever liked Joker, if he would take advantage of a just-born EDI like that. But I guess I shouldn't blame the character for this terrible mockery of a plotline.

If it were a sexy male body, for the record, I'd be just as disgusted. No way would I choose a child mind in a sexed-up metal body instead of a real flesh-and-blood person--that's incredibly sad and f***ed up. I have way more respect for myself than that.

Too bad someone thought Joker didn't.

The creepy pedo undertones with this sexbot story are quite disturbing.

An A.I that couldn't even grasp something as basic as delivering a simple joke is now being plunged into a romantic/sexual relationship and all the emotional baggage it entails? And since when does EDI even have a gender identity? "She" could easily be reprogrammed to have a male voice and nothing would be different about "her".

I also "like" how "she" looks to have a swimsuit painted on to emphasis "her" crotch area.

Real classy Bioware.

But what if it isn't metalic but a flash and blood, organic body, with robotic brain and nerves? If cerberus could rebuild shepard how hard is can be to build a body???
Besides experience is just information, they can input into her mind.

[nitefyre410]

Wynne wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...


That has nothing do with  body designed that just Bioware's crappy romance writting  showing its ugly head again.. I think that issue and the design of the body itself are two different issues that are getting lumped together.

The body is integral to that dialogue. If she never received a body, or if that body was just a standard unattractive unit, or something other than predictable sexy sexy times lady bot with pasties on - it would be interesting.

Unfortunately, the writing /is/ to blame in this circumstance. Writing typically, if not always, comes before design. The writers often dictate what is to be designed, or help with the process. The writers wanted to focus on this romance, because heaven forbid a female character exist in Mass Effect without being some predictable romance object.

With the exception of Samara. Who ****ing rules in my book.

Quite.

EDI getting a robotic body isn't what bugs me. It's the fact that it is designed more to do things to the budding genitalia of adolescent boys than to look like it ever had a purpose beyond that. And it's "sexy" not even in a fetishy Number 6 ripoff kinda way, but in a fetishy Japanese fembot kinda way. If it even has female parts, they're--metallic, ffs! How are you going to have sex with metal?!

I could not be more creeped out by this. I can't imagine anything more sad than a person forsaking human/organic contact for a metal husk which has never felt anything before--sexual or emotional--and, at best, is like a child just now experiencing those feelings for the first time.

This is repulsive and pathetic. It makes me wonder why I ever liked Joker, if he would take advantage of a just-born EDI like that. But I guess I shouldn't blame the character for this terrible mockery of a plotline.

If it were a sexy male body, for the record, I'd be just as disgusted. No way would I choose a child mind in a sexed-up metal body instead of a real flesh-and-blood person--that's incredibly sad and f***ed up. I have way more respect for myself than that.

Too bad someone thought Joker didn't.

 

So then we are in agreement Bioware  romance writing is still... well  crappy. 

Because I like  -  I  know issue with the body of the female design of it but the  fact that they choose to do just to give Joker a romence  and it was based of a stupid joke even more so. Its really bringing to question do they even have quality control(which I know they do) some one should have spoken  up in that meeting.  


Body -  Cheesy but cool... its cheesy like a really good pizza. 

Romantic relationship with Joker - Oh bad that is very bad.

[Someone With Mass]

I'd say that referring to EDI as "she" is a more of an act of courtesy compared to referring to her as "it" in an almost oppressive manner. Especially when she considers herself to be a part of the crew and treats the crew with some respect.

So unless the crew has something against AIs or similar machines, I don't really see the problem.

[nitefyre410]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'd say that referring to EDI as "she" is a more of an act of courtesy compared to referring to her as "it" in an almost oppressive manner. Especially when she considers herself to be a part of the crew and treats the crew with some respect.

So unless the crew has something against AIs or similar machines, I don't really see the problem.

 

That I have not a problem refering to her as I'm cool with everything up until the Joker  Romance... then I start to get skeptical.. 

Now this could all change depending on how it plays out.. I much prefer to see a brother/sister relationship between the two 

[Someone With Mass]

You can always just tell them to keep it professional.

[nitefyre410]

Someone With Mass wrote...

You can always just tell them to keep it professional.

 

Yes but then you lose something in the interaction.... 


professional carries and certain amount distance...I think close friends, brother/sister angle allows for the explorations they are going but leaves the Romance part out of it.

[Someone With Mass]

I don't think that's the case with EDI and Joker. They seem to know what's okay and what's not once the bar is set.

[nitefyre410]

Genshie wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

makes me wish that Mass Effect was side scroller platform shooter.

Omigod yes.  Someone, please, make it happen.

 Metal Slug ala Mass Effect style?

 

That or  Mass Effect Ala Contra Style but both work they are of the same genre. 

[Burneye Is God]

do we have any confirmed images of edi? and will she get a dlc costume? or like a loyal costume as in mass effect 2 for example?

[TMA LIVE]

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 28 janvier 2012 - 04:30 .

[OmegaBlue0231]

Welcome to what we knew months ago!

I'll see you in March when you guys are talking about how much you love the Joker/EDI romance.

Modifié par OmegaBlue0231, 28 janvier 2012 - 04:36 .

[Ryzaki]

@TMA that creeped me the hell out. Thanks for that.

[JeffZero]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

makes me wish that Mass Effect was side scroller platform shooter.

Omigod yes.  Someone, please, make it happen.

Shepard the Human is a classic. I really can't stand how often your trusty sidekick Garrus makes you lose all your credits during those damn recruitment minigames though.

[NekoPanOnline]

Burneye Is God wrote...

do we have any confirmed images of edi? and will she get a dlc costume? or like a loyal costume as in mass effect 2 for example?