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[HolyJellyfish]

JeffZero wrote...

I take direct issue to the wording of her description, but her design itself is pretty damn tame after some of the things I've seen in ME2. And even ME1.

I don't know. At least all the ladies in those games were covered. She just looks like she was dipped in chrome paint with pasties.

Heck. She even has a 'belly button'.

What robot has a belly button?

[Someone With Mass]

JeffZero wrote...

I take direct issue to the wording of her description, but her design itself is pretty damn tame after some of the things I've seen in ME2. And even ME1.

Most female armor in Mass Effect have a similar design.

Just look at femShep's N7 armor.



Compare that to EDI's body design, then it's not that different.

The big difference is that she's sporting chrome and Shep is not.

[Hedera]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I take direct issue to the wording of her description, but her design itself is pretty damn tame after some of the things I've seen in ME2. And even ME1.

I don't know. At least all the ladies in those games were covered. She just looks like she was dipped in chrome paint with pasties.

Heck. She even has a 'belly button'.

What robot has a belly button?

Well, she WAS an infiltrator-thing.  So she probably had to hide among humans Cylon-style.

[Ryzaki]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I take direct issue to the wording of her description, but her design itself is pretty damn tame after some of the things I've seen in ME2. And even ME1.

I don't know. At least all the ladies in those games were covered. She just looks like she was dipped in chrome paint with pasties.

Heck. She even has a 'belly button'.

What robot has a belly button?

=/ she has a belly button.

*rubs temples*

I suppose the model was expected to seduce people? Since they bothered making it capable of sex.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:02 .

[OmegaBlue0231]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

You can be SEXY

And not be a SEX OBJECT.

There is a difference.

I'm angry because her appearance isn't enhancing her overall sexiness. Its turning her into a sex object. The script says as much.

You can take a sexy person seriously, but its much harder to take a sex object seriously. Because that is what they are: A sex object. If the leaked script remains, EDI becoming more 'human' is more along the lines of 'OMG her body is so distracting!' and 'Must sleep with Joker!' etc.

Since when does becoming more organic require EDI to be a fetishized object? Legion's coming to grasp with organic thinking and philosophy doesn't require him to wear a hot bodacious bod. Why does EDI have to take on that role?

Oh. Because her AI is 'Female'. Gotcha.

EDI unlike Legion doesn't have to mentally become a human, from the beginning she acted like a human. So now they gave her a humanoid body to match what she was already mentally.

I do agree that it's a little over the top, but you people are acting like boobs automatically=stupid or ****ty. Liara has pretty good sized boobs, but she's depicted as one of the least sexualized and smartest Asari in the game.

[nightcobra]

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...


EDI unlike Legion doesn't have to mentally become a human, from the beginning she acted like a human. So now they gave her a humanoid body to match what she was already mentally.

I do agree that it's a little over the top, but you people are acting like boobs automatically=stupid or ****ty. Liara has pretty good sized boobs, but she's depicted as one of the least sexualized and smartest Asari in the game.

if anything i could see EDI designing this body herself from the way she behaves.
imo it's one of the most harmless female robot designs i've seen until now. 

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:06 .

[HolyJellyfish]

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

You can be SEXY

And not be a SEX OBJECT.

There is a difference.

I'm angry because her appearance isn't enhancing her overall sexiness. Its turning her into a sex object. The script says as much.

You can take a sexy person seriously, but its much harder to take a sex object seriously. Because that is what they are: A sex object. If the leaked script remains, EDI becoming more 'human' is more along the lines of 'OMG her body is so distracting!' and 'Must sleep with Joker!' etc.

Since when does becoming more organic require EDI to be a fetishized object? Legion's coming to grasp with organic thinking and philosophy doesn't require him to wear a hot bodacious bod. Why does EDI have to take on that role?

Oh. Because her AI is 'Female'. Gotcha.

EDI unlike Legion doesn't have to mentally become a human, from the beginning she acted like a human. So now they gave her a humanoid body to match what she was already mentally.

I do agree that it's a little over the top, but you people are acting like boobs automatically=stupid or ****ty. Liara has pretty good sized boobs, but she's depicted as one of the least sexualized and smartest Asari in the game.

Again. Your are missing the point.

You can be sexy. With giant breasts all over the place. And be a good character, and treated with respect that doesn't require ass shots and dialogue that talks about how distracting your prosthetic is.

Its much harder to be a good character when you are a SEX OBJECT. Because you really can't take a sex object seriously. Its much more difficult for us to, because we have been conditioned for the most part /not/ to take sex objects seriously.
Drawing attractive
characters isn’t a crime. But it starts to become grating when
characters are not only attractive, but hypersexualized and mostly
defined by their appearance. Even when characters aren’t
hypersexualized, they can still be boring and flat in execution if there
is more attention paid to animating her curves than the character herself.But the model for art in our fandom communities is often sex appeal first, to the detriment of characters.

[Someone With Mass]

Legion is an alien AI with a different purpose than EDI. Social interaction with organics is something the geth haven't done for centuries, and even then they were only used as servants.

[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...

=/ she has a belly button.

*rubs temples*

I suppose the model was expected to seduce people? Since they bothered making it capable of sex.

From what I have read, it's not.

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

=/ she has a belly button.

*rubs temples*

I suppose the model was expected to seduce people? Since they bothered making it capable of sex.

From what I have read, it's not.

Then what pray tell was that banter between Mordin and Joker about? 

[HolyJellyfish]

I think Isabela is a fantastic example of a sexy character. Granted, on first appearances, you would think she's a sex object. But the fact she jumps right into it, throws her sexuality in your face because it is HER sexuality to throw, and knows /exactly/ what she's doing makes her less a sex object and more a sexy character. Its much harder to objectify someone who is, for all purposes and intentions, aware that you ARE objectifying her and using it absolutely to her advantage. That is powerful.

From what the leaked script shows, EDI isn't aware. Silly AI doesn't understand how sexy she is! Even as she's bending over doing Yoga poses on a table. She is a passive object being peeled and played with, simply because she has a sexy lady body with no clothes on (And why doesn't she wear clothes if she is trying to be more organic? I just don't get it).

Anyways, I'm heading out to work out. I'm still going to play the game, but I'm really upset because EDI is one of my favorite characters. Turning her into a sexbot is very irritating.

Bioware might as well have turned Legion into Edward from Twilight.

[Ryzaki]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I think Isabela is a fantastic example of a sexy character. Granted, on first appearances, you would think she's a sex object. But the fact she jumps right into it, throws her sexuality in your face because it is HER sexuality to throw, and knows /exactly/ what she's doing makes her less a sex object and more a sexy character. Its much harder to objectify someone who is, for all purposes and intentions, aware that you ARE objectifying her and using it absolutely to her advantage. That is powerful.

From what the leaked script shows, EDI isn't aware. Silly AI doesn't understand how sexy she is! Even as she's bending over doing Yoga poses on a table. She is a passive object being peeled and played with, simply because she has a sexy lady body with no clothes on (And why doesn't she wear clothes if she is trying to be more organic? I just don't get it).

Anyways, I'm heading out to work out. I'm still going to play the game, but I'm really upset because EDI is one of my favorite characters. Turning her into a sexbot is very irritating.

Bioware might as well have turned Legion into Edward from Twilight.

Well Legion already got his stalker tendencies nice and polished. Though he has to work on the creepy controlling "stay away from me I'm bad for you!" thing.

[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...
Then what pray tell was that banter between Mordin and Joker about? 

Joker just asked if something like it was possible.

[HolyJellyfish]

Ryzaki wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I think Isabela is a fantastic example of a sexy character. Granted, on first appearances, you would think she's a sex object. But the fact she jumps right into it, throws her sexuality in your face because it is HER sexuality to throw, and knows /exactly/ what she's doing makes her less a sex object and more a sexy character. Its much harder to objectify someone who is, for all purposes and intentions, aware that you ARE objectifying her and using it absolutely to her advantage. That is powerful.

From what the leaked script shows, EDI isn't aware. Silly AI doesn't understand how sexy she is! Even as she's bending over doing Yoga poses on a table. She is a passive object being peeled and played with, simply because she has a sexy lady body with no clothes on (And why doesn't she wear clothes if she is trying to be more organic? I just don't get it).

Anyways, I'm heading out to work out. I'm still going to play the game, but I'm really upset because EDI is one of my favorite characters. Turning her into a sexbot is very irritating.

Bioware might as well have turned Legion into Edward from Twilight.

Well Legion already got his stalker tendencies nice and polished. Though he has to work on the creepy controlling "stay away from me I'm bad for you!" thing.

Hah.

I wonder if Legion and Conrad Verner are in the Shepard Fanclub.

"Members: ...2"

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Then what pray tell was that banter between Mordin and Joker about? 

Joker just asked if something like it was possible.

...and if it's possible she's capable of sex. Judging from what Mordin said it's possible. "Positioning critical to success. Can forward EDI charts, videos with relevant data"

So what exactly was your point? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:19 .

[Brownfinger]

You people are way too uptight.

How is giving her a feminine form turning her into a sex object? She's no more of a sex object than a young woman behind the counter at Starbucks. The content of her actions and character are what define her. Where others see something intended to incite lust, I simply see femininity. I don't have a problem with that, we've been ascribing human traits to try and humanize our robotic companions in science fiction for a very long time. Autobots have noses. Do they need noses? Hell, no.

Now, if in the leaked script, she pretends to drop a data pad and then bends over to pick it up in front of Joker, the detractors have a point. I haven't read it, so I don't know. If they've completely overhauled her personality, then I'll gladly concede the point.
Do they? Are there any non spoilery lines from the script that give an insight into this?

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I think Isabela is a fantastic example of a sexy character. Granted, on first appearances, you would think she's a sex object. But the fact she jumps right into it, throws her sexuality in your face because it is HER sexuality to throw, and knows /exactly/ what she's doing makes her less a sex object and more a sexy character. Its much harder to objectify someone who is, for all purposes and intentions, aware that you ARE objectifying her and using it absolutely to her advantage. That is powerful.

From what the leaked script shows, EDI isn't aware. Silly AI doesn't understand how sexy she is! Even as she's bending over doing Yoga poses on a table. She is a passive object being peeled and played with, simply because she has a sexy lady body with no clothes on (And why doesn't she wear clothes if she is trying to be more organic? I just don't get it).

Anyways, I'm heading out to work out. I'm still going to play the game, but I'm really upset because EDI is one of my favorite characters. Turning her into a sexbot is very irritating.

Bioware might as well have turned Legion into Edward from Twilight.

Well Legion already got his stalker tendencies nice and polished. Though he has to work on the creepy controlling "stay away from me I'm bad for you!" thing.

Hah.

I wonder if Legion and Conrad Verner are in the Shepard Fanclub.

"Members: ...2"

Gotta add Liara to that one.

[Ryzaki]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Hah.

I wonder if Legion and Conrad Verner are in the Shepard Fanclub.

"Members: ...2"

Poor Shep. Only has 2 fanatic fans. *tisks*

@Shifty: lmao

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:20 .

[nightcobra]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I think Isabela is a fantastic example of a sexy character. Granted, on first appearances, you would think she's a sex object. But the fact she jumps right into it, throws her sexuality in your face because it is HER sexuality to throw, and knows /exactly/ what she's doing makes her less a sex object and more a sexy character. Its much harder to objectify someone who is, for all purposes and intentions, aware that you ARE objectifying her and using it absolutely to her advantage. That is powerful.

From what the leaked script shows, EDI isn't aware. Silly AI doesn't understand how sexy she is! Even as she's bending over doing Yoga poses on a table. She is a passive object being peeled and played with, simply because she has a sexy lady body with no clothes on (And why doesn't she wear clothes if she is trying to be more organic? I just don't get it).

Anyways, I'm heading out to work out. I'm still going to play the game, but I'm really upset because EDI is one of my favorite characters. Turning her into a sexbot is very irritating.

Bioware might as well have turned Legion into Edward from Twilight.

Well Legion already got his stalker tendencies nice and polished. Though he has to work on the creepy controlling "stay away from me I'm bad for you!" thing.

Hah.

I wonder if Legion and Conrad Verner are in the Shepard Fanclub.

"Members: ...2"

6 if you count garrus, vega, liara and grunt

let's just say that shepard has lots of fans

[HolyJellyfish]

Brownfinger wrote...

You people are way too uptight.

How is giving her a feminine form turning her into a sex object? She's no more of a sex object than a young woman behind the counter at Starbucks. The content of her actions and character are what define her. Where others see something intended to incite lust, I simply see femininity. I don't have a problem with that, we've been ascribing human traits to try and humanize our robotic companions in science fiction for a very long time. Autobots have noses. Do they need noses? Hell, no.

Now, if in the leaked script, she pretends to drop a data pad and then bends over to pick it up in front of Joker, the detractors have a point. I haven't read it, so I don't know. If they've completely overhauled her personality, then I'll gladly concede the point.
Do they? Are there any non spoilery lines from the script that give an insight into this?

There are several ambiance lines, and even a few male characters who talk more about EDI's hot distracting bod than they do about the fact that the OMG NORMANDY AI is MOVING AROUND IN A HUMAN BODY.

[Ryzaki]

I thought we only counted fanatics in the Shepard fanclub? D:

[nightcobra]

Ryzaki wrote...

I thought we only counted fanatics in the Shepard fanclub? D:

oh they're fanatics, they just don't admit it to themselves.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:23 .

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Actually, you can lose Legion's loyalty, so he wouldn't be as much of a fanatic as Liara, who likes Shepard no matter what you do.

[OmegaBlue0231]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I think Isabela is a fantastic example of a sexy character. Granted, on first appearances, you would think she's a sex object. But the fact she jumps right into it, throws her sexuality in your face because it is HER sexuality to throw, and knows /exactly/ what she's doing makes her less a sex object and more a sexy character. Its much harder to objectify someone who is, for all purposes and intentions, aware that you ARE objectifying her and using it absolutely to her advantage. That is powerful.

From what the leaked script shows, EDI isn't aware. Silly AI doesn't understand how sexy she is! Even as she's bending over doing Yoga poses on a table. She is a passive object being peeled and played with, simply because she has a sexy lady body with no clothes on (And why doesn't she wear clothes if she is trying to be more organic? I just don't get it).

Anyways, I'm heading out to work out. I'm still going to play the game, but I'm really upset because EDI is one of my favorite characters. Turning her into a sexbot is very irritating.

Bioware might as well have turned Legion into Edward from Twilight.

So if EDI used her body to get what she wanted then she'd be ok?