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[Ryzaki]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

In that case, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just send in a regular female assassin (something along the lines of Phantom springs to mind) instead of sending in what seems to be a pretty expensive piece of equippment?

Depends. Maybe the robot assassin is physically stronger and better protected than any living assassin could be?

That plus the robot would also be far more loyal and could do a greater variety of tasks more effeciently.

[nightcobra]

HolyJellyfish wrote...


If it is revealed EDI chose her figure to taunt and tease and joke with crew members, I'll buy it. I would find that interesting. BUt so far, I haven't read any of that. So far, she is unaware of just how attractive she is, and is.. for all intents and purposes.. an object.

from what we've seen in me2 (as i don't take the leaked script to being written in stone, it might have been leaked recently but we don't know how old that particular draft is), EDI is to me characterized as a playful and curious A.I,
her having a sexy body would suit her in the way that 's how she would probably find it best to tease jeff, as she knows what jeff is attracted to due to her jokes about his asari porn, she might not know what makes him attracted to them but she's interested enough in the subject to use it in order to poke with jeff making her want to learn more about it, not for sexual reasons but because that she finds jeff's reactions interesting enough to analyze.

[Sgt Stryker]

It also doesn't feel pity, fear, or remorse.

[Ryzaki]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

It also doesn't feel pity, fear, or remorse.

Yes I'd think after Grayson TIM got a lot more cautious on who he trusted.

No need to worry about the robot not being willing to kill any witnesses or unable to escape as effectively due to being attacked or some such.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:16 .

[OmegaBlue0231]

Vapaä wrote...

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

It is a little funny. I think I'm more open to the idea because I'm a huge fan of androids. Particularly Data from Star Trek: TNG.

Same, her look is totally a throwback to the classic female robots from back in the day, which were cool!

Indeed ! she's a nice tribute (for lack of better world) to the old works of science-fiction, it's like she came from some Asimov novel.

As for the Joker/EDI "romance" thing, I'll wait and see, maybe it's great, maybe it's a pile of junk, but who knows ? but I'd like to see Joker and EDI beig close to eachother, it can't be worse than Fisto in FNV.

Oh god yes, the Fisto thing was so corny it was hilarious.

[1136342t54_]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

It also doesn't feel pity, fear, or remorse.

Yes I'd think after Grayson TIM got a lot more cautious on who he trusted.

No need to worry about the robot not being willing to kill any witnesses or unable to escape as effectively due to being attacked or some such.

So basically Cerberus can make Terminators now.

[nightcobra]

1136342t54 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

It also doesn't feel pity, fear, or remorse.

Yes I'd think after Grayson TIM got a lot more cautious on who he trusted.

No need to worry about the robot not being willing to kill any witnesses or unable to escape as effectively due to being attacked or some such.

So basically Cerberus can make Terminators now.

would you be surprised? this is the guy that spent a lot of money to resurrect one person and still has enough money to build a buffed up normandy, atlas mechs and supersoldiers.

[100k]

1136342t54 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

It also doesn't feel pity, fear, or remorse.

Yes I'd think after Grayson TIM got a lot more cautious on who he trusted.

No need to worry about the robot not being willing to kill any witnesses or unable to escape as effectively due to being attacked or some such.

So basically Cerberus can make Terminators now.

Makes me wonder if those two asari on the Citadel were actually geth/Cerberus infiltration units.

[Ryzaki]

1136342t54 wrote...
So basically Cerberus can make Terminators now.

Yup.

Seriously I want to see Shep punch a hole in the wall. For the lulz if nothing else.

[1136342t54_]

Ryzaki wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...
So basically Cerberus can make Terminators now.

Yup.

Seriously I want to see Shep punch a hole in the wall. For the lulz if nothing else.

Joker was worried about Miranda and Jack tearing a hole in the Normandy. Wait til he sees Shepard pissed off because his Krogan crunch got stolen. 

Maybe its just because I'm a male/nerd but the awesomness of having a badass Terminator on my team makes me easily ignore the fact that EDI has a robotic body.

Legion being on our team again would be great but eh I can deal with this. 

Edit: @100k I would like to know when did they start getting really good at this technology. 
@nightcobra I kind of want to see TIM attempt to send one back in time to kill Shepard.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 28 janvier 2012 - 08:34 .

[Sgt Stryker]

1136342t54 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

It also doesn't feel pity, fear, or remorse.

Yes I'd think after Grayson TIM got a lot more cautious on who he trusted.

No need to worry about the robot not being willing to kill any witnesses or unable to escape as effectively due to being attacked or some such.

So basically Cerberus can make Terminators now.

Eh, the ability to make one Terminator doesn't necessarily mean they can/are willing to make more.

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

It also doesn't feel pity, fear, or remorse.

Yes I'd think after Grayson TIM got a lot more cautious on who he trusted.

No need to worry about the robot not being willing to kill any witnesses or unable to escape as effectively due to being attacked or some such.

So basically Cerberus can make Terminators now.

Eh, the ability to make one Terminator doesn't necessarily mean they can/are willing to make more.

Kind of like bringing people back to life.

[RynJ]

You know, why does EDI have a bellybutton? It would make sense that the skin covering (which is now gone) would have it, but why would it be in the metal underneath? The only thing that would make less sense is if the body had nipples (and thank the lord it doesn't because then the rage would be over 9000!)

I vote that EDI adopts an Austrian accent. You know, just so we get the whole Terminator effect.

[1136342t54_]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Eh, the ability to make one Terminator doesn't necessarily mean they can/are willing to make more.

It means they had the tech to make one. Not surprised Cerberus went in that direction.

[100k]

1136342t54 wrote...

Edit: @100k I would like to know when did they start getting really good at this technology. 
@nightcobra I kind of want to see TIM attempt to send one back in time to kill Shepard.

We know that the geth are "hiding" beyond the Veil, preparing to construct a Dyson sphere. I would guess that there is no limit to what they can do technologically.

As for Cerberus, we know that they have now mastered anti Reaper technology, and gained some control over the geth. Plus, once you can make cybernetic implants, bio-sythetic fusions, and cadaver reanimation, I'd wager that creating a human looking cyborg would be pretty easy.

[1136342t54_]

RynJ wrote...

You know, why does EDI have a bellybutton? It would make sense that the skin covering (which is now gone) would have it, but why would it be in the metal underneath? The only thing that would make less sense is if the body had nipples (and thank the lord it doesn't because then the rage would be over 9000!)

I vote that EDI adopts an Austrian accent. You know, just so we get the whole Terminator effect.

I don't see the belly button. If there is one its barely noticeable.

[1136342t54_]

100k wrote...

As for Cerberus, we know that they have now mastered anti Reaper technology, and gained some control over the geth. Plus, once you can make cybernetic implants, bio-sythetic fusions, and cadaver reanimation, I'd wager that creating a human looking cyborg would be pretty easy.

It isn't a cyborg since its an automonous machine. They can make cyborgs but its likely pretty damn difficult to make a android that can operate on its own very effectively. If Cerberus don't have that many of those machines that would make more sense. I doubt they have the resources manage a army of terminators and everything else.

I doubt they mastered anti Reaper tech but they have gotten really good at it. Probably due to learning from the many failures (which was bound to happen). Its kind of why I like them as the enemy now. They seem rather competent now with the army that they were attempting to build originally. Now they are much much more dangerous enemy in ME3. But I would have preferred that Cerberus, had be a more direct threat after ME3 in another game.

[Ryzaki]

1136342t54 wrote...
Joker was worried about Miranda and Jack tearing a hole in the Normandy. Wait til he sees Shepard pissed off because his Krogan crunch got stolen. 

Maybe its just because I'm a male/nerd but the awesomness of having a badass Terminator on my team makes me easily ignore the fact that EDI has a robotic body.

Legion being on our team again would be great but eh I can deal with this. 

Edit: @100k I would like to know when did they start getting really good at this technology. 
@nightcobra I kind of want to see TIM attempt to send one back in time to kill Shepard.

And we all know Kai-chan's gonna be the culprit!

Legion as a squaddie would have me not giving two figs about EDI.

[1136342t54_]

Ryzaki wrote...
And we all know Kai-chan's gonna be the culprit!

Legion as a squaddie would have me not giving two figs about EDI.

While that entire novel was basically Dietz trolling hard I have to admit part of me wants Kai Leng to steal Shepard's cereal. Then again another part of me do not want Deception Kai Leng anywhere near the game lol.

I would probably like using both of them pretty damn often. The banter would definitely be hilarious. 

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Ryzaki wrote...

Legion as a squaddie would have me not giving two figs about EDI.

The squad sure would have been tech-heavy then, though.

Modifié par Shifty-looking Chicken, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:56 .

[Hyrist]

[quote]HolyJellyfish wrote...


If you read through any of my comments, you would understand I am attacking sexual objectivity. I am NOT attacking attractive characters.

Jack? Jack is attractive. She is not treated like an object by the game for the male viewing pleasure. Miranda is. Liara isn't. Ashley wasn't (I'm still against her hair down).

All points indicate EDI is.[/quote]

Saying Miranda is in blatant opposition to her actual plot points. She was genetically eneginered from her father's DNA to have every advantauge, including sexual attraction. The entire point of her caracter was to look beyond her supposide 'perfections' to see an actual human being beneath.

I beleive you missed the point of her personal plot, which is sad, because the arguments for miranda translate directly over to the reason's why EDI being attractive can actually be a productive part.

'Shallow People see Shallow things.' I reccomend you do a ME2 playthrough and involve Miranda at lenght, ignore the cheep bra scene ment to attract the kiddies, and look directly at her character.


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No it doesn't. They do it for cheap giggles. Because its the most predictable and obvious thing to do. There is no opinion to formulate except 'Wow, she's hot, and people aren't taking this INDEPENDENT AI IN A FEMMEBOT BODY SERIOUSLY because she's HOT. Aren't moving AIs BAD!? Why aren't more people commenting ON THAT instead of how she's posing!?'
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'Sopposition. Impossible to know for certain.' 

Joker is a gag character. He's meant for laughs and wise cracks. EDI was his pairing in ME2 as that point. Of COURSE her body is going to be part of the laughs. 

So yes, the scene is for cheap giggles. EDI, as a character, isn't. 


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And most importantly, you should be consitered challenged to look beyond the whole "OMG IT's a sexual exploit" stick in the mud you seem to enjoy stirring.
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Considered. And I'm offering my point of view as a woman who frequently watches other women in video games turn into sexually exploited objects.

I'm pissed, rightfully so, because one of my favorite female characters from ME2 got the same shallow treatment.


[quote] A script that was leaked very recently. I doubt they made any changes between then and now, and if they did, incredibly minor ones. Writing, voice overs, animations take a LOT of work. I know. I work in the industry.[/quote] 

Four months ago.


[quote]Not just that, but in the same vein, you've also called me over emotional, as if I seek to find drama for the sake of creating it. Further attempting to invalidate my point instead of creating a valuable and thoughtful logical argument that may or may not prove my points wrong.

That's just a cheap shot.[/quote]

[quote]
When most of the writing staff consists of straight white dudes who come up with the same stuff other straight white devs come up with (A hot sexy AI bot is no longer an idea, its a trend that caters), it gets boring. 
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[quote]
That's just a cheap shot. [/quote]

You're suprised? This work has been inspired by the works of Star Trek and Star Wars and their like, and the objectification and sexualization of things has been a tradition in that respect. But the fact of the matter is, you're analyzing off the surface level alone, as proved by your commentary on Miranda. Sure, there are going to be things that appeal to the man-child sex drives of the majority of their playerbase, most of it is done lightheartedly. But that is not the end of the substance.

[quote]I like this series. I like Bioware - because, while not perfect, they do push for diversity that is greatly lacking in this industry. That's why I will call the devs on concepts and designs I frankly find insulting and problematic for the future of story telling and game design.[/quote]

Others felt the fact that same sex relationships in DA2 was insulting and problematic too, particularly male ones. Yet we've got James Vega, a walking beefcake who's most likely the sole male same sex LI in the series. Where would that path be if the writers listened to people protesting 'hot topics'? I'm sorry, what you're saying is nothing new, and in my view, nothing substantial. Sex. Exists. And people find sexual attraction appealing. It can also be used as a good hook for something deeper. Think about that next time True Blood is on.


[quote]Again. Attractive is not the same as sex object.[/quote]

And yet, you treat her as an object. You. Before even playing the game you litterally have taken the stance of defening your idolism against the world of horney white male writers. You haven't even given them a chance.

[quote]And if you want to talk about that, here's this: If this body is meant to be an infiltration unit, then why is it such a goddamn focal point? 
Isn't the idea of an infiltration unit to blend in? Not be the highlight of the evening?[/quote]

Because she's not the focal point. The fact that she's attractive is. Nobody cares what's she's doing so long as the guys are busy staring at her ass and the girls are busy being pissed the guy's arent looking at them. Men looking to get in her pants arn't going to be worried about the security risk of their position being compromised by being straddeled while her wireless is secretly tapping his laptop across the room. And no need for an omnitool to do it either.

[quote]Why doesn't she wear clothes if she wants to learn human customs? Isn't that part of learning to adapt to culture and society?[/quote]
Did you actually read the spoilers.

She still thinks of herself as a machine. Human standards 'don't apply to her'. She finds the reactions of humans to her non-human 
form (even though it looks human and can preform certain human functions)  purplexing. And with the war against the Reapers going on. Edicate and protocol aren't exactly top concerns

[quote]Why does her robot figure have to have a 'belly button'? What is the point in that?[/quote]

Because your belly button directly connects to your stomach, in which it divets deeper than a flat armor contour would allow. A better question would be "why aren't her breasts boyant" in which case the direct reply would be "Because jiggly physics are to much." Also, really? You're upset over a belly button?

[quote] If it is revealed EDI chose her figure to taunt and tease and joke with crew members, I'll buy it. I would find that interesting. BUt so far, I haven't read any of that. So far, she is unaware of just how attractive she is, and is.. for all intents and purposes.. an object.[/quote]

This statment right her makes me think you diddn't read the entirety of the spoilers. EDI diddn't 'choose' her form.  Spoilers below

She got it second hand. The infilitration unit is supposed to be a Cerberus creation, meant to infilitrate the Alliance and disabeled/aquired on the first mission on Mars She is designed after TIM's old flame and meant to be completely functional as a woman. EDI did not intend to have a body, she took it up because it was the logical choice to use the body for Sheppard's missions as it is highly durable and powerful.

[quote] Where did I say that? I said I dislike sex objects. Never said I hated sexy hot attractive female characters. I just don't like them when their appearances are more important than their character, or noted as such by surrounding characters. 
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[quote]Wow. Now that's a brash insult, not to mention very misguided.[/quote]

The reserach you site does not restrict it's polling. If you were to go by the census of gamers, that average gamer is a 40 year old woman playing casual games such as bejewled. I said, and specified, Core Gamer. This means your average buyer of titles such as Mass Effect, Call of Duty, and a whole other wide selection of AAA games that still sell well in spite of not getting cirtical aclaim (Btw, Critical acclaim is by critics, who like to push for advancement in the genera, but do so by having fully informed opinions rather than jumping down the developer's throats over a naval.)  Which is still prodomantly male. 

These are not old issues. They're getting better, but we've still got a long way to go.

[quote]This argument of yours does not hold anymore. Its old.[/quote]

I'd be amazed if you even knew what the argument was. I am in support of female writers, but they're still WAY too few in number, as accentuated by your brash comments again 'all male writers in games' comment. (And I find your bias against male writers insulting. There are plenty of very good male writers in gaming and beyond. You seem to imply that it's impossible for a male team to write well.) 

But the issue is more than that, as I stated. Worse is the preconceved notion of asthetics and beauty that we, as humantiy have, regardless of gender. The preconceved notion and immaturity surrounding around sexuality that is actually brought to light in this game by the comments about EDI's appearance made by the Normandy crew, something that is still very real today. These people exist today, do you think those people suddenly don't exist in the late 22nd century? Or did you find Donnaly insulting too?

I would wonder that if the comments about her sexuality were not present, would you still be so fiery? You complain that she is a sex object. Well, that is taken in the game as a very litteral sense. She is an object, capable of sex. And of course you're going to see those act immature on that note. The fact that it was written in there is realistic at the very least. If it's not taking beyond that, your complaint may have weight. I have a very distinct feeling Bioware took the writing a lot father than just the 'Hur hur, comptuer has boobies' comments. EDI's sudden personification will be explored, it fits with the theme.

[quote]No. its not.

Its an opinion that is important to me and a lot of other people. The more that is said about it, the more those arguments are heard and become the majority through increased support. ANd the more that point becomes valid.

Thank you.[/quote]

It's an underinformed opinion, done pre-release and expressed purely as a knee-jerk responce. Which do you think will hold more weight, your cirtisim of some leaked lines, or your critique of the game and story as a whole? Your words and your views are not going to be worth anything if you wind up eating crow at the end of march.

Even if not, stated now, you only look like an alarmist, at best, feminist at worse, rather than someone who's taking an intellectual look at the issue before it solidifies. EDI can be well written not just in spite, but because of her body. Instead of acting poorly against further progression on one of the main themes of this game (The issue of synethetic and organic life and the possibility for coexistence). Let's see if Bioware actually adds the subject of sexuality into the equasion well or not.

Human reactions (that of the young, impressionable human male soldier) are only one part of the equasion. The more important issue is how EDI develops with this new data.

Bioware walks a fine line here, and that's normal for them. I think they played it a bit too safe in ME2 and I'm glad they're back to taking a few risks here.

Modifié par Hyrist, 28 janvier 2012 - 09:06 .

[Hyrist]

Modifié par Hyrist, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:59 .

[Someone With Mass]

RynJ wrote...

You know, why does EDI have a bellybutton? It would make sense that the skin covering (which is now gone) would have it, but why would it be in the metal underneath? The only thing that would make less sense is if the body had nipples (and thank the lord it doesn't because then the rage would be over 9000!)

I vote that EDI adopts an Austrian accent. You know, just so we get the whole Terminator effect.

It looks more like a bolt to me.

[Ryzaki]

1136342t54 wrote...
While that entire novel was basically Dietz trolling hard I have to admit part of me wants Kai Leng to steal Shepard's cereal. Then again another part of me do not want Deception Kai Leng anywhere near the game lol.

I would probably like using both of them pretty damn often. The banter would definitely be hilarious. 

Any mention of Kai Leng will probably make me lose it.

It would! Heck what's already there is pretty funny.

[nightcobra]

Someone With Mass wrote...

RynJ wrote...

You know, why does EDI have a bellybutton? It would make sense that the skin covering (which is now gone) would have it, but why would it be in the metal underneath? The only thing that would make less sense is if the body had nipples (and thank the lord it doesn't because then the rage would be over 9000!)

I vote that EDI adopts an Austrian accent. You know, just so we get the whole Terminator effect.

It looks more like a bolt to me.

that's what it looks like to me, it's probably one of the bolts that keep the chassis in place.