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[Someone With Mass]

100k wrote...
Because Reapers, like geth, build true consenceous. They see the benefit in multiple perspectives ironing out possiblities for the best results. What's scary about the Reapers is that all of these bio-synthetic minds have concluded that perpetual cleansing of life is the best thing for the galaxy. What sucks about this, is that Bioware (and Walters) will probably ignore this concept (one that they created) in order to just make the Reapers "evil".

Reapers do not form consensuses. They consume them.

[1136342t54_]

100k wrote...

Because Reapers, like geth, build true consenceous. They see the benefit in multiple perspectives ironing out possiblities for the best results. What's scary about the Reapers is that all of these bio-synthetic minds have concluded that perpetual cleansing of life is the best thing for the galaxy. What sucks about this, is that Bioware (and Walters) will probably ignore this concept (one that they created) in order to just make the Reapers "evil".

They haven't so far. I remember some cut dialogue in which the Reaper actually wishes Shepard to understand that they are Sheppards to. I don't think they wanted us to see it until ME3.

[100k]

1136342t54 wrote...

100k wrote...

Because Reapers, like geth, build true consenceous. They see the benefit in multiple perspectives ironing out possiblities for the best results. What's scary about the Reapers is that all of these bio-synthetic minds have concluded that perpetual cleansing of life is the best thing for the galaxy. What sucks about this, is that Bioware (and Walters) will probably ignore this concept (one that they created) in order to just make the Reapers "evil".

They haven't so far. I remember some cut dialogue in which the Reaper actually wishes Shepard to understand that they are Sheppards to. I don't think they wanted us to see it until ME3.

There's also a dialogue with Legion where he explains that the Reapers are hivemind life forms. 

I *hope that the writing team doesn't skimp on this...

But I know they will. They want to appeal to the lowest common denominator: casual players. Casual players don't care about story, motives, or revelations. They care about explosions.

I don't get why a game can't have both, but alas...

[1136342t54_]

100k wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

100k wrote...

Because Reapers, like geth, build true consenceous. They see the benefit in multiple perspectives ironing out possiblities for the best results. What's scary about the Reapers is that all of these bio-synthetic minds have concluded that perpetual cleansing of life is the best thing for the galaxy. What sucks about this, is that Bioware (and Walters) will probably ignore this concept (one that they created) in order to just make the Reapers "evil".

They haven't so far. I remember some cut dialogue in which the Reaper actually wishes Shepard to understand that they are Sheppards to. I don't think they wanted us to see it until ME3.

There's also a dialogue with Legion where he explains that the Reapers are hivemind life forms. 

I *hope that the writing team doesn't skimp on this...

But I know they will. They want to appeal to the lowest common denominator: casual players. Casual players don't care about story, motives, or revelations. They care about explosions.

I don't get why a game can't have both, but alas...

They aren't hivemind life forms. Its almost like saying Geth are Hivemind life forms and that is inaccurate even Tali explains it. 

I'm not going to make unfounded assumptions on the game in regards to how Bioware portray the Reapers. So far they haven't made too many retcons in the lore. Especially major ones.

[Brownfinger]

To get a contrary opinion in there, my girlfriend likes EDI's new form. She used to be a cute little lesbian, though. So I don't really know if she adds value to the argument, for those that see interest as hormonally driven. I don't think the body designed for her is over the top, so I'm not going to bite my thumb at it, either. Sexuality is more of an expression and an intention than it is one's appearance.

EDI is cheeky enough that having her out in the field will be lots of fun, anyway, so it's difficult for me to not enjoy the prospect. Appearances aside, surely people are intrigued by the potential it represents?

I like mechanical life forms, they fill a specific role in science fiction and represent great utility. If I can't have Legion, then this is a suitable substitute.

100k wrote...

I *hope that the writing team doesn't skimp on this...

But I know they will. They want to appeal to the lowest common denominator: casual players. Casual players don't care about story, motives, or revelations. They care about explosions.

I don't get why a game can't have both, but alas...

Come on, that's silly. Mass Effect is more driven by narrative than any other game. It's what stands out in the minds of gamers when they measure the series against other games.
They have the "action mode" for those people, anyway. I've no doubt that critical story elements will be fleshed out, per usual.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 29 janvier 2012 - 10:58 .

[1136342t54_]

In some more cut dialogue EDI does say that Reapers purpose for doing this is possibly because Humanity is a unique threat so they take out a threat and at the same time understand humanity. By deconstructing people into their atomic parts and storing that data on their neural network allows them to get the knowledge and essence of billions of individuals and put into one identity.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 29 janvier 2012 - 10:52 .

[theLastWanderer]

I'm liking the idea of EDI in a body, as a squadmate, helping my FemShep out, but...I'm not so sure about the concept art. Not thrilled with the look (can't they make an android have skin and hair yet? that'd be better) and the metal-hair look makes me wrinkle my nose. Not mad, not unhappy, just...meh.

[1136342t54_]

theLastWanderer wrote...

I'm liking the idea of EDI in a body, as a squadmate, helping my FemShep out, but...I'm not so sure about the concept art. Not thrilled with the look (can't they make an android have skin and hair yet? that'd be better) and the metal-hair look makes me wrinkle my nose. Not mad, not unhappy, just...meh.

Actually I believe it was originally pretty human with skin and everything but it was burned off. Not completely sure about that.

[ReallyRue]

1136342t54 wrote...

theLastWanderer wrote...

I'm liking the idea of EDI in a body, as a squadmate, helping my FemShep out, but...I'm not so sure about the concept art. Not thrilled with the look (can't they make an android have skin and hair yet? that'd be better) and the metal-hair look makes me wrinkle my nose. Not mad, not unhappy, just...meh.

Actually I believe it was originally pretty human with skin and everything but it was burned off. Not completely sure about that.

Not sure why the body would have metal hair though. If the body's previous use was to pass for human, surely it should be bald with a wig stuck on. Unless in the future, people's hair really is just one solid thing welded to their heads, and it's not just ME having poor hair physics.

[Fdingo]

ReallyRue wrote...

Not sure why the body would have metal hair though. If the body's previous use was to pass for human, surely it should be bald with a wig stuck on. Unless in the future, people's hair really is just one solid thing welded to their heads, and it's not just ME having poor hair physics.

*Hair SPOILER*

"...when struck or shot, the skin solidifies to absorb the impact. It also is capable of limited self-healing. The hair is similar. I have set it to remain one solid piece for defense reasons. It can, however, be parted into individual strands on command if infiltration is a priority."

Modifié par Fdingo, 29 janvier 2012 - 11:56 .

[Hyrist]

Forum needs to implement a spoiler tag button, not just make people fish out for the right shade of grey.

I'm still not convinced that this isn't just a prime example that society mistreats sex and sexuality. on both ends of the argumentative spectrum. But little will change that viewpoint so there's little point furthering that discussion. I'm just going to enjoy my game more.

That said I'm fairly certain both sides have said their peace. It seems the voice actor high light gave some insight into the character development, and so far I'm not disappointed. The more I hear of this game the more intrigued I get.

[Unpleasant Implications]

Damn am I late to the party, but I totally support EDI in ME3. It's hilarious and created so much hate that BSN has kept me ROFL'ing since people really started hating on it. You guys are so amusing.

[AdmiralCheez]

1136342t54 wrote...

In some more cut dialogue EDI does say that Reapers purpose for doing this is possibly because Humanity is a unique threat so they take out a threat and at the same time understand humanity. By deconstructing people into their atomic parts and storing that data on their neural network allows them to get the knowledge and essence of billions of individuals and put into one identity.

Okay, WHY THE HELL was all of that cut?  Too spoilery?  Wanted to save it for ME3?

[HolyJellyfish]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

In some more cut dialogue EDI does say that Reapers purpose for doing this is possibly because Humanity is a unique threat so they take out a threat and at the same time understand humanity. By deconstructing people into their atomic parts and storing that data on their neural network allows them to get the knowledge and essence of billions of individuals and put into one identity.

Okay, WHY THE HELL was all of that cut?  Too spoilery?  Wanted to save it for ME3?

Mmm. Maybe a Director's Cut version of ME2.

I'd be behind that.

[1136342t54_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

In some more cut dialogue EDI does say that Reapers purpose for doing this is possibly because Humanity is a unique threat so they take out a threat and at the same time understand humanity. By deconstructing people into their atomic parts and storing that data on their neural network allows them to get the knowledge and essence of billions of individuals and put into one identity.

Okay, WHY THE HELL was all of that cut?  Too spoilery?  Wanted to save it for ME3?

Probably but I wouldn't have seen too much of a problem if they actually kept that in the game.

[Ryzaki]

Moar EDI concept

[Hillbillyshep]

Ryzaki wrote...

Moar EDI concept

I still have a problem with the fact, that she looks way too robotic and naked.
I hope that that is just her casual wear aboard the Normandy.

[Jebediah Springfield]

Loved EDI's voice and thinking in 2. So hopefully a great squadmate if it's true.

[Someone With Mass]

Why the synthetic nipples?

Seems like an odd choice.

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Why the synthetic nipples?

Seems like an odd choice.

Very odd choice.<_<

[Corvus Metus]

I'm personally looking forward to EDI with a body. She was my favorite "crew member" in ME, but then again I tend to like the whole human/synthetic relationship thing. It's a great sci-fi trope IMO

[oligo]

Mesina2 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Why the synthetic nipples?

Seems like an odd choice.

Very odd choice.<_<

No, it's not odd.  She needed to be sexy, right? <_<
/sarcasm

Sorry, I'm still really unconvinced about this whole EDI in a body thing.
I did really like her in ME2, though, so I'm trying not to judge a book by it's cover...

[Someone With Mass]

I don't think trying to infiltrate anything in a subtle manner with jugs like that would be in her or anyone's favor.

[Ryzaki]

Unless she was a seduction unit.

[scpulley]

Sigh.....seriously I don't know how I can say this louder. I really, really really, really don't want so many damn new characters. What the hell was the point of saving my squad in ME 2 if they weren't carrying over other than cameos like the ME 1 characters not Garrus and Tali got in ME 2? It seems like it was a huge waste of time at this point. I liked EDI just fine as a AI, there was absolutely no reason to give her a body and force her on us as yet another character new to the series basically. We already got strapped with James Vega, now this?

Bioware, you better make damn sure ME 2 characters aren't being shafted for no reason.I'm already worried enough after the DA 2 letdown and yes I know this is a different team, but I feel like Bioware is loosing it a little bit.