I'm currently running through ME2 again with my canon soldier shep. I haven't played a soldier since the game first came out, and have never really bothered with kasumi with any of the other classes (either didn't own the dlc or other squad mates complemented my sheps better).
I decided to mix it up with this soldier, and have been trying out cryo ammo. My usual tactic is to use shep/other squad mate to strip defences at range, then send kasumi to shadow-strike one, freeze some of the others and close to close quarters for some shotgun action.
Up until recently this tactic has been fairly successful, but lately I've noticed that even against mooks who are stripped of their defences, kasumi is often failing to kill them, leaving them with the smallest sliver of health.
I currently have kasumi specced out with 4 ranks in shadow-strike (the quick recharge on a killing blow evolution), 1 rank in overload and stun grenades, and the rest in her passive (just last mission I chose the passive evolution that reduces recharge times by 25%).
Does anyone know if the boost to weapon damage from her passive also increases her shadow-strike damage? If it does I'll probably replay the most recent mission and go for the passive damage evolution instead. Also, do any of the other upgrades out their improve Kasumi's shadow-strike ability (eg the tech bonus damage uprades or Miranda's passive squad bonus)?
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Kasumi's shadow strike and passive final evolution
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Posté 28 janvier 2012 - 01:56
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If I remember correcty, Kasumi's Shadow Strike is classified as a combat power. So no, it won't benefit from +weapon damage boni.
Also, last time I checked, her Passive was broken and did not grant the recharge bonus, Don't know if that changed now, though I guess not.
Also, last time I checked, her Passive was broken and did not grant the recharge bonus, Don't know if that changed now, though I guess not.
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Posté 28 janvier 2012 - 02:11
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Thanks for the quick reply. I did do a bsn search and saw mention of the passive bonus not working, but figured i'd double check since the post was about a year old. If the passive isn't helping Kasumi's shadow strike, I probably won't bother replaying the mission just so i can change her passive evolution to get an extra 7% weapon damage. I've got the shadow broker dlc and have just arrived at Illium, so will probably just respec when I complete that (will prbably pick up thane and do the collector ship first though).
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Posté 28 janvier 2012 - 02:24
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Yupp. Though the Rapid Shadow Strike is quite potent on its own, especially if you can make her target your left-overs. You preserve ammunition and she's more or less invincible zipping around the battlefield backstabbing enemy after enemy.
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Posté 28 janvier 2012 - 03:07
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Its especially satisfying when Kasumi's target has first been hit with cryo ammo, so they shatter when struck. My favourite tactic is to take out a groups defences with a team mate's overload/incinerate, then hit adrenaline rush, pop up and shoot each of them once with the carnifex (with lvl 4 cryo ammo). By the time they defrost, kasumi has taken out a couple and I'm breathing down the survivors necks with shotgun out and powers back on line.
I'm enjoying this play-style far more than my first soldier's hang back and snipe/vindicate until everyone is dead tactic. I always enjoyed acting in concert with my other squad mates more.
I'm a little stumped as to which weapon i'm going to pick up on the collector ship. I went with the widow previously (more of a ranged specialist, and I just didn't get on with the revenant when i tried it), but now i'm wondering about the efficacy of the Krogan shotgun (name escapes me). Have you had any experience using the shot gun as a soldier?
I'm enjoying this play-style far more than my first soldier's hang back and snipe/vindicate until everyone is dead tactic. I always enjoyed acting in concert with my other squad mates more.
I'm a little stumped as to which weapon i'm going to pick up on the collector ship. I went with the widow previously (more of a ranged specialist, and I just didn't get on with the revenant when i tried it), but now i'm wondering about the efficacy of the Krogan shotgun (name escapes me). Have you had any experience using the shot gun as a soldier?
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Posté 28 janvier 2012 - 03:43
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here's a thread you might appreciate .
Ryoldschool, Red_Caesar and Mi-Chan have videos of a claymore soldier .
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/261/index/8090191
Ryoldschool, Red_Caesar and Mi-Chan have videos of a claymore soldier .
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/261/index/8090191
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Posté 28 janvier 2012 - 03:47
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Never played a Revenant soldier? Check it out. Hit like a brick, never run out of ammo, good times. Make sure you get all the assault rifle upgrades for accuracy, and once you're in AR just cut through enemies like they're made of butter.
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Posté 28 janvier 2012 - 06:57
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Shadow Strike is allegedly a hybrid power where the cloak portion counts as a tech power, but who knows how that is helped by upgrades.
I don't know if her weapon upgrade is helped by her passive. Her health certainly increased to my recollection when I invested in her passive.
I typically skip Overload on Kasumi. If I really want Overload I take Garrus or Miranda. SS actually does decent damage to shields if need be as well.
Improved Flashbang is the best power for Kasumi. It is quite powerful. It is broken against Harbinger (as in way too good), but seems to work correctly against the other enemies.
As for the Shadow Strike and its usefulness, I usually evolve to Rapid for the cooldown reduction. But I am usually using Flashbang after her mission. But SS is still a useful power. It can distract YMIR mechs so you can shoot them in the back, or it can distract groups. It's also decent if Kasumi is taking fire... use Shadow Strike on an enemy and she disappears for a while. You just have to be careful when she reappears. She goes sort of in the vicinity of where she started, but she won't go back into cover if you had her parked. So you need to re-order that.
AR Vanguard: Stealing Memory 1
AR Vanguard: Stealing Memory 2
Shameless plug for Kasumi Shadow Strike use.
I don't know if her weapon upgrade is helped by her passive. Her health certainly increased to my recollection when I invested in her passive.
I typically skip Overload on Kasumi. If I really want Overload I take Garrus or Miranda. SS actually does decent damage to shields if need be as well.
Improved Flashbang is the best power for Kasumi. It is quite powerful. It is broken against Harbinger (as in way too good), but seems to work correctly against the other enemies.
As for the Shadow Strike and its usefulness, I usually evolve to Rapid for the cooldown reduction. But I am usually using Flashbang after her mission. But SS is still a useful power. It can distract YMIR mechs so you can shoot them in the back, or it can distract groups. It's also decent if Kasumi is taking fire... use Shadow Strike on an enemy and she disappears for a while. You just have to be careful when she reappears. She goes sort of in the vicinity of where she started, but she won't go back into cover if you had her parked. So you need to re-order that.
AR Vanguard: Stealing Memory 1
AR Vanguard: Stealing Memory 2
Shameless plug for Kasumi Shadow Strike use.
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Posté 28 janvier 2012 - 05:11
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Thanks for all the advice.
The claymore gameplay does make opting for the shotgun quite tempting, though I doubt I could ever approach that level of skill with it. Any idea how the claymore reload trick works?
I did give the revenant a dummy run (played through the rest of the collector ship mission with it), but decided i just didn't like it much. I wasn't a fan of the sound effect, struggled with the recoil climb (playing on the xbox and not the most dexterous of individuals), and didn't really like the way it overlapped so heavily with the shotgun (sniper rifle for range and revenant just seems to cheerfully deal with the rest). I was really hoping to try and use all the weapons available to the soldier in a fairly balanced mix (as advised by that average gatsby's videos on you tube), and worry that both the revenant and claymore gameplay seem to complement a one-weapon playstyle too much. Also, I tend to go for fairly vanilla classes, so like to choose a bonus powere that matches the class I'm playing (have flashbangs for my soldier at the moment).
Kasumi has really become my go to girl on this latest playthough, and i've been using rapid shadow strike right off the bat. I haven't really used her flashbangs much, and it never even occurred to me to use them for their stagger effect on protected enemies so i could close in without beeing shot to pieces. I really enjoyed the vanguard videos, and am kind of wishing that I changed my renegade shep from an adept in ME1 to a vanguard in ME2 as opposed to keeping him a pure caster. I'm not a fan of all the changes made from ME1 to ME2, but do really like the way they revamped the classes to make them all more unique with their own distinctive play styles. The vanguard just seems such a dynamic and fast moving class now.
I'm yet to make a decision what weapon I'll go for, as I'm still dithering between the claymore and widow. I always got on fine with the geth/vindicator rifles, and like the 8 clip shotgun ?scimitar? and evi (the only dlc weapon I own). I might just wait and see how I get on with the semi-aotomatic sniper you get in thane's mission. I've never actually used it before as I've always either been playing as a class without the proficiency or have picked up the widow by that point already.
The claymore gameplay does make opting for the shotgun quite tempting, though I doubt I could ever approach that level of skill with it. Any idea how the claymore reload trick works?
I did give the revenant a dummy run (played through the rest of the collector ship mission with it), but decided i just didn't like it much. I wasn't a fan of the sound effect, struggled with the recoil climb (playing on the xbox and not the most dexterous of individuals), and didn't really like the way it overlapped so heavily with the shotgun (sniper rifle for range and revenant just seems to cheerfully deal with the rest). I was really hoping to try and use all the weapons available to the soldier in a fairly balanced mix (as advised by that average gatsby's videos on you tube), and worry that both the revenant and claymore gameplay seem to complement a one-weapon playstyle too much. Also, I tend to go for fairly vanilla classes, so like to choose a bonus powere that matches the class I'm playing (have flashbangs for my soldier at the moment).
Kasumi has really become my go to girl on this latest playthough, and i've been using rapid shadow strike right off the bat. I haven't really used her flashbangs much, and it never even occurred to me to use them for their stagger effect on protected enemies so i could close in without beeing shot to pieces. I really enjoyed the vanguard videos, and am kind of wishing that I changed my renegade shep from an adept in ME1 to a vanguard in ME2 as opposed to keeping him a pure caster. I'm not a fan of all the changes made from ME1 to ME2, but do really like the way they revamped the classes to make them all more unique with their own distinctive play styles. The vanguard just seems such a dynamic and fast moving class now.
I'm yet to make a decision what weapon I'll go for, as I'm still dithering between the claymore and widow. I always got on fine with the geth/vindicator rifles, and like the 8 clip shotgun ?scimitar? and evi (the only dlc weapon I own). I might just wait and see how I get on with the semi-aotomatic sniper you get in thane's mission. I've never actually used it before as I've always either been playing as a class without the proficiency or have picked up the widow by that point already.
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Posté 28 janvier 2012 - 06:05
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I like the Revenant the most of the bonus weapons and it isn't close. You are right it almost makes the shotguns redundant. You can in fact do the game with only the Revenant, but the Viper also slots in nicely for range.
Claymore is a bit of a specialty weapon which is very effective close and not very good by intermediate range. It can also be fun. And since the Vindicator and Viper are excellent weapons you still have good long-mid range options.
Widow is my least favorite of the weapons. I think a Widow/Vindicator soldier might be the easiest to play but just wasn't as fun.
All that said the nice thing is that as a Soldier you could really pick any of them and still not use them. There are excellent weapons in every category that you can rely on. A soldier with the Vindicator, Viper, Scimitar/Katana/Eviscerator, and Carnifex can beat the game.
Claymore is a bit of a specialty weapon which is very effective close and not very good by intermediate range. It can also be fun. And since the Vindicator and Viper are excellent weapons you still have good long-mid range options.
Widow is my least favorite of the weapons. I think a Widow/Vindicator soldier might be the easiest to play but just wasn't as fun.
All that said the nice thing is that as a Soldier you could really pick any of them and still not use them. There are excellent weapons in every category that you can rely on. A soldier with the Vindicator, Viper, Scimitar/Katana/Eviscerator, and Carnifex can beat the game.
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Posté 28 janvier 2012 - 06:42
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Example of reload trick with claymore
I made this a while ago, You just have to time the melee at the sweet spot.
I made this a while ago, You just have to time the melee at the sweet spot.
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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 02:49
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I don't think I ever swapped my Revenant out after picking it up. Afree regarding the recoil climb but did you upgrade it properly and use it with adrenalin rush? Then I found the recoil issue disappearing.
I love the Widow too, that thing is so deadly. The Viper is nice but plays completely differently- start getting used to firing a lot of shots instead of one shot (its kinda like going from a normal shotgun to the Scimitar).
Claymore soldier...sorry, got no advice, never played one. Claymore vanguard is my favourite class in the game, if you have never played one I highly, highly recommend it.
I love the Widow too, that thing is so deadly. The Viper is nice but plays completely differently- start getting used to firing a lot of shots instead of one shot (its kinda like going from a normal shotgun to the Scimitar).
Claymore soldier...sorry, got no advice, never played one. Claymore vanguard is my favourite class in the game, if you have never played one I highly, highly recommend it.
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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 09:56
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Never played Claymore Soldier either, but it's pretty awesome in vids. Basically charge into and out of tight spots with ARush; Claymore fools in the throat. Kinda like a brutal mix of Vanguard/Soldier/SG.Infiltrator.
As for Kasumi - I find RapidSS is best, just for its cooldown effect. Sure, you lose damage and you gotta time it best effect, but the reward of a quick FB or follow-up SS is well worth the effort. Also, her passive ability is broken, so it's not really worth taking for the mere health bonus.
As for Kasumi - I find RapidSS is best, just for its cooldown effect. Sure, you lose damage and you gotta time it best effect, but the reward of a quick FB or follow-up SS is well worth the effort. Also, her passive ability is broken, so it's not really worth taking for the mere health bonus.
