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[FeralEwok]

Love both series for different reasons.

Star Wars is a mythological tale set in a sci-fi genre. The characters in the original were all based on some trope from classic tales and was just plain fun to watch. No matter how old I get or how many times I see the Death Star trench run, my heart beat still speeds up. It's basic storytelling at it's finest and the characters (while not the deepest out there) all grew as the series progressed. Somewhere along the way George Lucas lost sight of this or just didn't surround himself with people to challenge him from time to time. The Phantom Menace will forever go down in history as one of the biggest Cinematic disappointments of all time and it is not exactly like they improved upon the next two.

What really got me into Star Wars after I had sort of forgot about it in my early teen years was KOTOR. Eventually I learned more about the Expanded Universe and saw that Star Wars had potential for greater stories with richer characters. Some of the stuff they put out there is gold and other times it's the same embarrassing stuff that no one wants.

Will Mass Effect ever exceed Star Wars in terms of popularity or cultural significance? Nope.

Can it exceed Star Wars in Terms of rich content and depth? Yup.

In fact I feel that Mass Effect has already exceeded Star Wars in that department. If they continue to branch out and not rehash the same old content Mass Effect can easily go down as my own personal favorite series sci-fi or other.

[Virginian]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Virginian wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The ironic thing about this whole discussion is that Star Wars may be responsible for my Mass Effect obsession. I did buy KOTOR back in the day because I loved Star Wars after all and since KOTOR introduced me to bioware it is the main reason I bought Mass Effect 1 because it looked like it could be a KOTOR but with guns instead of lightsabers.

I agree Kotor Brought me to bioware, which brought me to Mass Effect. I love both series. Mass Effect and Kotor era Star  Wars will always be tied. Movie era Star Wars lost to Mass Effect a long time ago imo

lol which movie era?  Though at this point I would agree that the KOTOR era is a fascinating and one I love exploring.  Still wish they had mad a KOTOR 3 though to be honest I am having fun with TOR

KOTOR used to be my favorite era, then TOR (specifically the book about Revan which is basically KOTOR 3) came along and now all I care about are Lightsabers.

I havn't read the book but I heard about what happened but the exile seemed to get the short end of the stick lol but I have seen what happened to Revan in TOR and that was not the fate I would have liked to see happen to him.  But I still love the era.

I haven't read the book. I did read a very thorough synopsis (is that the right word? meh, don't care). The only thing that the book could have done that would have made me hate it more was kill HK-47 (Galaxies or whatever already gave him a lame enough future as it is, maybe killing HK would have been better).

Completely ruined everything about KOTOR/TOR I liked.

I don't know how TOR raped the Revan character even further than the books based around TOR and I don't want to know, but give me time I will probably be stupid enough to go read it anyway (Glutton for punishment, I am).

[Brownfinger]

It's not terribly shocking to say, and isn't much of a revelation. The first Mass Effect game was more compelling and engaging than all six movies put together. And I like Star Wars.

Mass Effect 2 left them all in the dust, and I imagine that 3 will facilitate cranial asplosions.

[KreeCapt]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


These are two different franchises that are, if just considering the Star Wars trilogy/saga, from two different mediums. The narratives will function differently, as well as your experience with that universe. You don't get the attachment to the narrative and characters of Star Wars like you do with Mass Effect because you are only a spectator when watching those films. The same goes with any sci-fi media across mediums.

This.

Star Wars was revolutionary. Visually amazing and rich with the Good v Evil, I remember seeing in in 1977. The whole country was in a craze. Even now Star Wars is part of the lexicon. Everyone knows of it or something from it.

Can the same be said of Mass Effect? No. Do I hope one day it will be? Yes.

I do, however, constantly say to my friends that much like my first viewing of Star wars blew my mind....Mass Effect had the same impact with me when I played ME 1.

To Me. Mass Effect is my Star wars of Video games. Meaning it's a pinnacle of Sci-Fi greatness to me.

[Homebound]

Mass Effect is going to be our generation's Star Wars/Trek =D

[PrinceLionheart]

StElmo wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


These are two different franchises that are, if just considering the Star Wars trilogy/saga, from two different mediums. The narratives will function differently, as well as your experience with that universe. You don't get the attachment to the narrative and characters of Star Wars like you do with Mass Effect because you are only a spectator when watching those films. The same goes with any sci-fi media across mediums.

I agree, Videogames are a superior narrative medium. Thats part of the argument.

It is inherently better then star wars, when compared on the field of "visual sci fi".

It is probably unfiar, but the fact is it IS better.

No, they really aren't. I'm a big gamer, but the fact that the narrative actually takes a back seat to gameplay actually weakens it. Not to say that Video Games can't have good stories, but to much focus ends up having to be shifted to accomidate the Video Game Medium.

That, and Mass Effect is about as big of a cliche storm as it comes and Mass Effect 2 lacked a focus narrative (and yes, i know "The Characters were the story.")

[PrinceLionheart]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Mass Effect is going to be our generation's Star Wars/Trek =D

That already belongs to the LoTR films.

[Gatt9]

StElmo wrote...

I seriously mean that.

I review games for a hobby, and decided to take on Mass Effect. After thinking about the game for a long time, I realized Mass Effect IS better then Star Wars.

It's not more original then Star Wars, but if originality was your guage for a good story, then you can't possibly like Star Wars (it's quite deriverative - this, IMHO doesn't make it bad).

ME on the other hand, does everything better then Star Wars that it can for a video game. The world/lore is more cohesive and rich, the characters present more diverse and complex personalities and motivations.

The THEMES are particularly impressive in ME, making star wars look like a freaking storybook.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE star wars, and I LOVE what it did for Science Fiction. But I think ME is just a far better narrative and has a better atmosphere. This could also be because Videogames are (IMHO) a better medium for storytelling then film (exposition is easier, for example in a video game).

If you want to see the review, it's here;

But the point of this thread is not for my review, it is:

Star Wars vs Mass Effect: which is more compelling?

Remember,  you asked.

The World/Lore for ME is not more rich,  nor are the characters at all diverse or complex.  In fact,  it's all pretty mich recycled.

-Aerie = Leilliana = Liara,  BG2's dark elf = Morrigan = Jack,  etc.  They use the same characters in every game,  with the same personalities,  and the same romance patterns.  (I'm a strong hard woman,  but you said something nice to me 5 times,  now I will be sweet to you!)
-ME1's plot is the first half of DAO (And arguably KotOR).  "You've been betrayed,  legions of enemies now come to kill everyone as a result!)
-ME2's plot is the second half of DAO.  "Recruit allies to help you in your battle,  then with their help defeat the Dragon!  Err...Terminator!"
-ME3's plot is the second half of  DAO.  "Recruit races to help you in your battle!"

Nor is the World more cohesive.

-The council discovers the race of Reapers is real...and then decides there really was just one,  and pretends they don't exist anymore?
-Shepherd is resurrected,  asks one question,  and then doesn't think about it again?
-Plus everyone he meets,  who knows he was dead,  do not question his reappearance at all?
-Nor does the universe blink despite the fact that resurrection is now possible?
-Never mind the fact that there wouldn't have been anything left to resurrect once he hit the surface of the planet from high orbit,  after having frozen solid.
-The entire universe switches to an inferior type of weapons in 2 years without exception?
-Thermal clips on planets that haven't seen a human since before they were invented?
-And carried by beings that have absolutely no use for them?
-Everybody Sherpherd recruited suddenly gets off the ship at the same time for a mission we don't see,  to achieve something we don't know,  despite the fact that up to that point no more than 3 ever got off at the same time?
-I can keep going...

Nor are the Themes impressive,  in fact,  the game goes to extrordinary efforts to avoid anything that even remotely threatens to be a Theme.  Like dealing with Shepherd facing the crisis of mortality,  or Tali facing the crisis of potentially dieing in the act of consumating her love.  Jack never experiences a crisis of self-forgiveness.  Samara never faces a crisis of ideology.  Grunt doesn't face any existential crisis over the fact that he was engineered.  Etc.

In a movie,  these would be unforgivable sins.  Movies have been tanked for far smaller plot holes and shallowness.

If you like it,  that's great,  nothing wrong with that.  But please don't confuse it for any kind of literary achievement.  In any other medium,  it would've been torn apart for being a rehash of the Author(s) previous works, it's gaping plot holes,  and it's extremely shallow character depth.

I will agree that as far as video games go,  it's a step forward.  But in contrast to other mediums?  It's really the equivalent of the early comic book era at best.

[Heebejeebes]

I prefer Baldur's Gate, they use science in that right?

[KotorEffect3]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

Mass Effect is going to be our generation's Star Wars/Trek =D

That already belongs to the LoTR films.

Maybe but we are specficaly talking Sci-Fi

[JohnCleeselol]

uhhhh, this thread deserves to get locked for talking shet about the Wars. Star Wars was my youth, and i grew up admiring the series. The epic space battles, pod race, Darth Vader. Nope, Mass Effect has only wasted my early college years. lol

as much as i like mass effect, the poster above me is right. star wars is a classic, and mass effect has a ways to go. plus, ME was made to be a video gmae and Star Wars was meant for the big screen and reading.

[Heebejeebes]

Gatt9 wrote...


-ME1's plot is the first half of DAO (And arguably KotOR).  "You've been betrayed,  legions of enemies now come to kill everyone as a result!)
-ME2's plot is the second half of DAO.  "Recruit allies to help you in your battle,  then with their help defeat the Dragon!  Err...Terminator!"
-ME3's plot is the second half of  DAO.  "Recruit races to help you in your battle!"

Lets not forget that the Reapers are basicly a rip off of the Star Gate Atlantus aliens and that DAO is essentially Game of Thrones.

Darkspawn = White Walkers
Grey Wardens = Knights Watch
Logain\\Howe = Lanesters
Arl Eamon = Starks

Lanesters and Starks are having a big civel war while the Knights Watch is trying to fight off a Mega invasion of White Walkers.  Hmmmm I wonder where Bioware got the Dragon Age plot?

[BloodyTalon]

I thought aliens beat all of them. -ducks

Kidding.

I like both the original star wars and the mass effect stuff equally.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Heebejeebes wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...


-ME1's plot is the first half of DAO (And arguably KotOR).  "You've been betrayed,  legions of enemies now come to kill everyone as a result!)
-ME2's plot is the second half of DAO.  "Recruit allies to help you in your battle,  then with their help defeat the Dragon!  Err...Terminator!"
-ME3's plot is the second half of  DAO.  "Recruit races to help you in your battle!"

Lets not forget that the Reapers are basicly a rip off of the Star Gate Atlantus aliens and that DAO is essentially Game of Thrones.

Darkspawn = White Walkers
Grey Wardens = Knights Watch
LogainHowe = Lanesters
Arl Eamon = Starks

Lanesters and Starks are having a big civel war while the Knights Watch is trying to fight off a Mega invasion of White Walkers.  Hmmmm I wonder where Bioware got the Dragon Age plot?

And none of this is really a big deal.

[BloodyTalon]

Heebejeebes wrote...

I prefer Baldur's Gate, they use science in that right?

Would say some of  the stuff in two came close.

Blah now I want to play it.

[Heebejeebes]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Heebejeebes wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...


-ME1's plot is the first half of DAO (And arguably KotOR).  "You've been betrayed,  legions of enemies now come to kill everyone as a result!)
-ME2's plot is the second half of DAO.  "Recruit allies to help you in your battle,  then with their help defeat the Dragon!  Err...Terminator!"
-ME3's plot is the second half of  DAO.  "Recruit races to help you in your battle!"

Lets not forget that the Reapers are basicly a rip off of the Star Gate Atlantus aliens and that DAO is essentially Game of Thrones.

Darkspawn = White Walkers
Grey Wardens = Knights Watch
LogainHowe = Lanesters
Arl Eamon = Starks

Lanesters and Starks are having a big civel war while the Knights Watch is trying to fight off a Mega invasion of White Walkers.  Hmmmm I wonder where Bioware got the Dragon Age plot?

And none of this is really a big deal.

This is the internet, everything is s big deal

[tetrisblock4x1]

Look, I know that Bioware are derivative, and I laugh at anyone who suggests otherwise but that doesn't make them bad... they really did drop the ball with ME2 though in several obvious ways.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:25 .

[Xaijin]

2x

Modifié par Xaijin, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:32 .

[Xaijin]

Mass Effect is not culturally significant and never will be.

/thread.

[StElmo]

mango smoothie wrote...

Ok why compare Star Wars which is really a fantasy set in space to Mass Effect 3 a space opera.

Why compare anything to anything?

Because its fun!

[StElmo]

Icinix wrote...

Star Wars. Hands down.

Sure the prequels sucked, but ME's comics and anime doll sucks too - so they cancel each other out.

I disagree, but man, that is the best post so far.

HAHAHAHA anime doll, yeah thats essentially episode II right there in terms of *face palm*

[Someone With Mass]

Savber100 wrote...

The prequel? Yeah.

The original? Dream on.

This.

The original runs on deep nostalgia, which is something I don't think Mass Effect will get. Not yet, anyway.

[StElmo]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

StElmo wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


These are two different franchises that are, if just considering the Star Wars trilogy/saga, from two different mediums. The narratives will function differently, as well as your experience with that universe. You don't get the attachment to the narrative and characters of Star Wars like you do with Mass Effect because you are only a spectator when watching those films. The same goes with any sci-fi media across mediums.

I agree, Videogames are a superior narrative medium. Thats part of the argument.

It is inherently better then star wars, when compared on the field of "visual sci fi".

It is probably unfiar, but the fact is it IS better.

No, they really aren't. I'm a big gamer, but the fact that the narrative actually takes a back seat to gameplay actually weakens it. Not to say that Video Games can't have good stories, but to much focus ends up having to be shifted to accomidate the Video Game Medium.

That, and Mass Effect is about as big of a cliche storm as it comes and Mass Effect 2 lacked a focus narrative (and yes, i know "The Characters were the story.")

Being a big gamer doesn't mean you appreciate the advantages of videogame storytelling.

The fact you can choose how deep you want to experience ME is a testament to the medium.

I think interactive storytelling is more engaging, therefore a lot easier to provide a solid narrative if done right.

The problem is with game devs (not bioware) who think gameplay is the only thing that matters. I wholeheartedly disagree with this, and the success of story based games show this.

Also, which characters were cliche in ME? 

[tetrisblock4x1]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

The prequel? Yeah.

The original? Dream on.

This.

The original runs on deep nostalgia, which is something I don't think Mass Effect will get. Not yet, anyway.

Yeah, it's all nostalgia. So what has ME done to shape the sci-fi genre that Starwars hasn't? Got any expectations?

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:51 .

[Thoth_Amon]

The Empire Strikes Back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME1 + 2 + 3 combined.