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[DragonRageGT]

Best film ever! Wait and see it rising to the top of every best ever movie list!

I'm just curious why they changed the original name (Men Who Hate Women) - "Män som hatar kvinnor", in the original Swedish, Homens que não amavam as Mulheres in Portuguese (transl. Men who didn't love Women).

After all, it is a movie about Men who hate Women and the girl with the dragon tattoo is just one of them! haha

I'm just in such an ecstasy. I think I'm in love with Lisbet, because, after all, I do love Women, particularly the brilliant ones!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1568346/

Modifié par RageGT, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:37 .

[Eski.Moe]

Are you talking about the recent American remake or the original Swedish films (that are still recent lol)?
I've always had a cursory interest in the books and have never really gotten around to reading them but I did watch the film with my father at the cinema. It was good. I enjoyed it. A bit heavy but good.

[DragonRageGT]

Eski.Moe wrote...

Are you talking about the recent American remake or the original Swedish films (that are still recent lol)?
I've always had a cursory interest in the books and have never really gotten around to reading them but I did watch the film with my father at the cinema. It was good. I enjoyed it. A bit heavy but good.

The new one. Opened this Friday in theatres in Brazil. With Daniel Craig and Rooney Mara :wub:

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

RageGT wrote...

Eski.Moe wrote...

Are you talking about the recent American remake or the original Swedish films (that are still recent lol)?
I've always had a cursory interest in the books and have never really gotten around to reading them but I did watch the film with my father at the cinema. It was good. I enjoyed it. A bit heavy but good.

The new one. Opened this Friday in theatres in Brazil. With Daniel Craig and Rooney Mara :wub:

Pfft, the original is 10x better as is the case with all these unnecessary American remakes.

[DragonRageGT]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Pfft, the original is 10x better as is the case with all these unnecessary American remakes.

Well, I'll watch those in about an hour and then I'll be able to comment but from what I've read, the new one has many strong points and many consider it even better than the Swedish version.

Again, I can't compare it for the moment but I can guarantee you that the new one is an absolutey awesome movie which one can hardly take the eyes from the screen even for a moment. Plus, the production is so well done, showing a lot of respect for the author and care for his work.

But this is from a friend who can do it:

"I agree it was an excellent film, I assume it's the American remake you're talking about.

Having read the books and seen both adaptations, I will say the American version was more entertaining, more moving, and significantly better paced than the Swedish original. Rooney Mara is also a stunning Salander, I personally think she deserves the oscar for the role."

Modifié par RageGT, 28 janvier 2012 - 09:36 .

[DukeOfNukes]

The "American" version was better. Not by much, necessarily, but neither strayed too far from the source material. What ultimately wins it is that the American version had much higher production values, considering the swedish was a made for tv movie. It was also nice that they made Lisbet into more of a human in the American version early on, as well. I also liked Mikhail's motivation more in the US version...Him wanting revenge seemed like a better motivator than "she used to baby sit you."

[Annie_Dear]

I liked the Swedish version more, and I thought Noomi Rapace was the superior Lisbeth Salander.

[JasonPogo]

Annie_Dear wrote...

I liked the Swedish version more, and I thought Noomi Rapace was the superior Lisbeth Salander.

Yeah I saw the Swedish version and thought it was great.  The actress from the Swedish version is not how I see that character so I prob wont end up seeing the American version just do to the dif actress. 

Also it is sad that we Americans can't bother to read subtitles and feel the need to remake a great movie just to avoid them.

[DukeOfNukes]

It's interesting to see threads like this, because you get to figure out who the pretentious foreigners are, and who the self-loathing Americans are.

The movie wasn't remade. The US version was based on the book. It was in talks for development more than a year before the release of the Swedish version. I'm hard pressed to think of a movie that was remade "because Americans hate subtitles", rather than as a labor of love for the movie to bring it into the mainstream consciousness.

On the topic of subtitles, though...I know a lot of movie fanatics that find them distracting...and I can actually agree. They've never really put me off...but generally you want to be focusing on the characters actions/emotions, not their words.

[JasonPogo]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

It's interesting to see threads like this, because you get to figure out who the pretentious foreigners are, and who the self-loathing Americans are.

The movie wasn't remade. The US version was based on the book. It was in talks for development more than a year before the release of the Swedish version. I'm hard pressed to think of a movie that was remade "because Americans hate subtitles", rather than as a labor of love for the movie to bring it into the mainstream consciousness.

On the topic of subtitles, though...I know a lot of movie fanatics that find them distracting...and I can actually agree. They've never really put me off...but generally you want to be focusing on the characters actions/emotions, not their words.

Then what was the Swedish movie based on?

[TobiTobsen]

Hollywood remakes are a disease that needs to be purged.

[DragonRageGT]

Well, if every "remake" were as good as this one, it wouldn't be a problem. I'm watching the Swedish right now, with subtitles. It is a good movie but there is no comparison when production value and pacing are concerned.

The new one is eletrizante (electrifying?) as we say here. I was tense, cheering, angry, relieved, sad, avenged and more, during the whole fraking movie. The Swedish one is, well, too "European". It is a good movie but it feels like most "French" movies. They put me to sleep in no time. (EDIT: not the case with the Swedish version though. It is definitely good enough to keep me awake! =)

Both Lisbeth actresses are great though. But I think Rooney Mara had a lot more pre-production prep for the role (EDIT: and better wardrobe too) and she is definitely my favorite for the Oscar this year. And Daniel Craig delivered his best performance to this date.

Modifié par RageGT, 28 janvier 2012 - 11:54 .

[Raizo]

I saw the original Swedish films and "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" is by far the best one in the trilogy. I thought about going to the cinema to see the 'American' version of "GwtDT" since I am a big fan of David Fincher and Daniel Craig but funds and spare time are scarce and I just couldn't summon up the will to go to the cinema to see a film that I more or less saw in the cinema less than a year earlier. I heard alot of great praise for Rooney Mara's portrayal of Lisbeth Salander but Noomi Rapace's version of the character is soo strong and distinctive that I can't picture anyone else in the role besides her.

[DragonRageGT]

I have a question for Gurris or other Swede on BSN who may know: Was Color Photography common, as in lots of Police crime scene shots, in Sweden in 1954? From what I've read on Wiki, until 1960 the normal was to use black and white. (in the US) The price difference between the films were huge and color pics were very prohibitive due to cost, being used mostly in very special ocasions.

Raizo wrote...

I saw the original Swedish films and "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" is by far the best one in the trilogy. I thought about going to the cinema to see the 'American' version of "GwtDT" since I am a big fan of David Fincher and Daniel Craig but funds and spare time are scarce and I just couldn't summon up the will to go to the cinema to see a film that I more or less saw in the cinema less than a year earlier. I heard alot of great praise for Rooney Mara's portrayal of Lisbeth Salander but Noomi Rapace's version of the character is soo strong and distinctive that I can't picture anyone else in the role besides her.

It's definitely worthy to watch the new version, IMHO. I don't know how expensive it is where you live but here we have good price and some promotions like a fixed day during the week when it's even cheaper.

I've read somewhere that the Swedish movies were originally made for the TV, even the first, which then was made suitable for the big screen. That might explain the difference in the trilogy?

Modifié par RageGT, 28 janvier 2012 - 12:32 .

[Eski.Moe]

@Raizo - Rooney Mara's transformation for the film was amazing. She did really well in the role. Daniel Craig is Daniel Craig. Which is to say he's awesome.
I highly recommend going to see it if you can. It's very well put together.

[Moondoggie]

I have yet to watch the remake. Will be interesting to see how they handle certain aspects of a very Swedish film (nudeness and sexuality all over the place XD) i imagine that is somewhat toned down in the remake with the focus being more on action. I think that might work better with the other two movies in the trilogy which were very slow paced and a bit more frustrating to follow over 3 hours.

[android654]

Eski.Moe wrote...

Are you talking about the recent American remake or the original Swedish films (that are still recent lol)?
I've always had a cursory interest in the books and have never really gotten around to reading them but I did watch the film with my father at the cinema. It was good. I enjoyed it. A bit heavybut good.

You can't remake an adaptation of a novel. That being said, the american version is better than the sweedish one and was more loyal to the source material. There are darker works of mystery fiction, but you can't read that book and simply become obsessed with Lisbeth.

[slimgrin]

There wouldn't have been any American version at all if the Swedish one did't rock. I hate remakes. They did the same thing with Let the Right One in.

[TobiTobsen]

slimgrin wrote...

There wouldn't have been any American version at all if the Swedish one did't rock. I hate remakes. They did the same thing with Let the Right One in.

This man speaks the truth!

[GodWood]

The books were ok. Not in my top 10 but they were entertaining enough.

The original swedish films I've only seen the first and the third and I found that they didn't really capture the essence of the books. My driving motivation to read chapter after chapter was the hope that I'd get another look into the inner workings of Lisbeth's head. The films lacked this as we only ever experienced the events of the film from an outside persective. Also they were much more tame then what people had led me to believe.

Not bothering with the american remake.

Modifié par GodWood, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:02 .

[DragonRageGT]

android654 wrote...

You can't remake an adaptation of a novel. That being said, the american version is better than the sweedish one and was more loyal to the source material. There are darker works of mystery fiction, but you can't read that book and simply become obsessed with Lisbeth.

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Did you mean "can't read that book and simply NOT to become obsessed with Lisbeth"? Because she is obsession material IMHO! =)

And I agree that it is not a remake. You can't remake an adaptation of a novel. It is a new version.

[android654]

RageGT wrote...

android654 wrote...

You can't remake an adaptation of a novel. That being said, the american version is better than the sweedish one and was more loyal to the source material. There are darker works of mystery fiction, but you can't read that book and simply become obsessed with Lisbeth.

img *snip* img

Did you mean "can't read that book and simply NOT to become obsessed with Lisbeth"? Because she is obsession material IMHO! =)

And I agree that it is not a remake. You can't remake an adaptation of a novel. It is a new version.

Was typing quickly on my phone, but yes Lisbeth is obsession material.

Also to those bashing this adaptation, did you read the book? They rewrote and removed so many things from the sweedish version that it could've been an entirely different story and no one would've noticed. Those were elements that were central to Bloomkvist's character, his motivation and most importantly his relationship with Lisbeth. The sweedish films only kept 3 elements of the book faithful; brilliant goth girl, rape, ****s. The American version took very few liberties with its adaptation and was produced a lot better, take it form someone who's read all the books and seen all 4 films (The three sweedish ones and the american adaptation).

[GodWood]

RageGT wrote...
Did you mean "can't read that book and simply NOT to become obsessed with Lisbeth"? Because she is obsession material IMHO! =)

Ignoring the lack of eyebrows the American Lisbeth is definitely attractive.

Can't say I'd want to date her though. The extended periods of silence would kill me.