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[DragonRageGT]

I must say, after watching the second and about 1/3 of the third one, that Svenska filmer gick väldigt hög i mitt koncept (hope that google translator don't break my legs here!).

I'm glad I got them on DVD though, the trilogy, so I can fast foward some parts. I can't wait to see the "American remake" of these 2 parts. Swedish is good but when it comes to movies, I'm sorry but the world must bend to what America can do, specially when they set out to do it well.

Great director with great actors in both the "remake" and the Swedish trilogy but honestly, no matter how good the rest of the world can make a pizza, nowhere in the planet it will be so good as in Italy, if you know what I mean.

PS.: Don't you just hate when an author dies young and leaves hiw work unfinished and then the successors fight over what might become the next chapter of his series, preventing the world from emjoying it? Talk about a cliffhanger! I hope the American version can make it better at the end of the 3rd movie! *sighs*

Modifié par RageGT, 29 janvier 2012 - 06:16 .

[jcainhaze]

I'm glad you started this thread. I've been debating if I should watch this in the theater. Sounds like a definite yes.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

RageGT wrote...

 I'm sorry but the world must bend to what America can do, specially when they set out to do it well.

Great director with great actors in both the "remake" and the Swedish trilogy but honestly, no matter how good the rest of the world can make a pizza, nowhere in the planet it will be so good as in Italy, if you know what I mean.

That's a very pompus statement to make, so basically you're saying that World Cinema is just a cheap imitation of real film which is in Hollywood. Your ignorance is astounding, talk about someone who's buried their head so far in the mainstream that they can't see any merit in anything else.

[DragonRageGT]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

RageGT wrote...

 I'm sorry but the world must bend to what America can do, specially when they set out to do it well.

Great director with great actors in both the "remake" and the Swedish trilogy but honestly, no matter how good the rest of the world can make a pizza, nowhere in the planet it will be so good as in Italy, if you know what I mean.

That's a very pompus statement to make, so basically you're saying that World Cinema is just a cheap imitation of real film which is in Hollywood. Your ignorance is astounding, talk about someone who's buried their head so far in the mainstream that they can't see any merit in anything else.

Whoa, that is some serious reading comprehension problems you have there. Or are you just trying to insult and flame this into something it wasn't meant to be? Read again the part you quoted from my post!

Great is an adjective very opposed to Cheap, isn't it?  "Can't see any merit in anything else"? Really? - Perhaps bend wasn't the right word. Bow? "Stop saying b/s about Hollywood because they make trillion dollars out of some great movies they produce while others only drool with the thought"? Or just because it is in the USA?

Sure there is many horrible movies made there. But when they get it right, there are some real masterpieces too. I'm not American, I'm Brazilian and I love some of the movies we make here. I love even some Argentinian movies too. I actually love some many different countries' movies that I say only I love movies. But I can reckognize when they have a lot of love from the production, crew and cast and when they have the amount of money thrown at it that only Hollywood can throw, it doesn't hurt a bit.

Ok, that ex-Mrs. Cameron's movie won the best movie award and production was cheap. But it is an awful movie and I have no idea how it made into the 5 nominees. Avatar makes a much better criticism of militarism in America than that movie! (And I don't like it that much either)

Modifié par RageGT, 29 janvier 2012 - 05:20 .

[slimgrin]

RageGT wrote...


Great director with great actors in both the "remake" and the Swedish trilogy but honestly, no matter how good the rest of the world can make a pizza, nowhere in the planet it will be so good as in Italy, if you know what I mean.

I know what you mean but I can't agree with you on this one Rage. If anything, remakes by Hollywood lose the flavor of the original. Watch both verions of Let Me In and you'll see what I mean. Most critics prefered the Swedish version of Girl with a Dragon Tattoo as well. America is the great melting pot, and that fact has it's strengths and drawbacks, the drawbacks usually being a serious lack of originality when it comes to our movies.

Another classic example is The Departed, a remake of the Honk Kong crime thriller Infernal Affairs. The original is way better, despite the praise for the American version. After all, all Scorsese had to do was look at the original and make a few adjustments.

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 janvier 2012 - 05:50 .

[DragonRageGT]

slimgrin wrote...

RageGT wrote...


Great director with great actors in both the "remake" and the Swedish trilogy but honestly, no matter how good the rest of the world can make a pizza, nowhere in the planet it will be so good as in Italy, if you know what I mean.

I know what you mean but I can't agree with you on this one Rage. If anything, remakes by Hollywood lose the flavor of the original. Watch both verions of Let Me In and you'll see what I mean. Most critics prefered the Swedish version of Girl with a Dragon Tattoo as well. America is the great melting pot, and that fact has it's strengths and drawbacks, the drawbacks usually being a serious lack of originality when it comes to our movies.

Another classic example is The Departed, a remake of the Honk Kong crime thriller Infernal Affairs. The original is way better, despite the praise for the American version. After all, all Scorsese had to do was look at the original and make a few adjustments.

Well, every rule has its exception. Even a Master can produce a crappy painting eventually. And this particular movie is not a "remake" of a foreign movie. It's an adaptation of a literary work, with its own merits and flaws. I haven't read the books but every word I read about the new film says it's more faithful to the written novel than the Swedish movie. Even people on this thread says it. So, while people may like it or not, it is not reaslly a remake.

Now, I've watched The Social Network for the first time tonight. Never was much interested on it because my own prejudice about all the prejudice Americans have when portraiting a Brazilian in a movie where the Hero is clearly his enemy in the end.

I was right about it. He's shown like a little sucker but anyway, I watched itn because I wanted to see one of the Director's other works. To my surprise, in the credits it says Rooney Mara!  I had absolutely no idea who she was and having watched The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo before the Social Network didn't help recognizing her.

If that chick doesn't get the Oscar for Best Actress in a Main Role, I'll cut my **** off and feed it to chickens!

[android654]

slimgrin wrote...

RageGT wrote...


Great director with great actors in both the "remake" and the Swedish trilogy but honestly, no matter how good the rest of the world can make a pizza, nowhere in the planet it will be so good as in Italy, if you know what I mean.

I know what you mean but I can't agree with you on this one Rage. If anything, remakes by Hollywood lose the flavor of the original. Watch both verions of Let Me In and you'll see what I mean. Most critics prefered the Swedish version of Girl with a Dragon Tattoo as well. America is the great melting pot, and that fact has it's strengths and drawbacks, the drawbacks usually being a serious lack of originality when it comes to our movies.

Another classic example is The Departed, a remake of the Honk Kong crime thriller Infernal Affairs. The original is way better, despite the praise for the American version. After all, all Scorsese had to do was look at the original and make a few adjustments.

You're right about Let The Right One In > Let Me In. However in this scenario it isn't the case. Have you read the millenium series?

[Chuvvy]

RageGT wrote...

Best film ever! 

Nope.

[DragonRageGT]

Can someone who have read the books and watched both movies, answer me a few questions, which I don't think would spoil anything for someone who hasn't?

The book has

Cat or No cat?
London or Australia?
Daughter or No daughter?

Modifié par RageGT, 30 janvier 2012 - 08:13 .

[android654]

RageGT wrote...

Can someone who have read the books and watched both movies, answer me a few questions, which I don't think would spoil anything for someone who hasn't?

The book has

Cat or No cat?
London or Australia?
Daughter or No daughter?

The american version has the cat, they use London and we see mikael's daighter. (who's central to the end of the first act. In fact there would be no resolution to the story without Mikael's daughter nor would he have motivation to finish working for Henrik)

The sweedisch version didn't include the cat, which is central to the plot. They use Australia for some reason. And Mikael has no daughter. All bad decisions.

Modifié par android654, 30 janvier 2012 - 01:38 .

[DragonRageGT]

android654 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Can someone who have read the books and watched both movies, answer me a few questions, which I don't think would spoil anything for someone who hasn't?

The book has

Cat or No cat?
London or Australia?
Daughter or No daughter?

The american version has the cat, they use London and we see mikael's daighter. (who's central to the end of the first act. In fact there would be no resolution to the story without Mikael's daughter nor would he have motivation to finish working for Henrik)

The sweedisch version didn't include the cat, which is central to the plot. They use Australia for some reason. And Mikael has no daughter. All bad decisions.

Huh.. I know. I said exactly that, not in so many words. I want to know is, what does the book say? Is there a cat? London or Australia and does he have a daughter? In the books I mean. =0

[android654]

RageGT wrote...

android654 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Can someone who have read the books and watched both movies, answer me a few questions, which I don't think would spoil anything for someone who hasn't?

The book has

Cat or No cat?
London or Australia?
Daughter or No daughter?

The american version has the cat, they use London and we see mikael's daighter. (who's central to the end of the first act. In fact there would be no resolution to the story without Mikael's daughter nor would he have motivation to finish working for Henrik)

The sweedisch version didn't include the cat, which is central to the plot. They use Australia for some reason. And Mikael has no daughter. All bad decisions.

Huh.. I know. I said exactly that, not in so many words. I want to know is, what does the book say? Is there a cat? London or Australia and does he have a daughter? In the books I mean. =0

*MANY SPOILERS BELOW*

Sorry, must've misread it. The American version was much more faithful.

When Mikael moves into the cottage provided to him by Henrik he meets the cat and takes care of it for a while.

Henrik's niece in the book absconds to London and hides there unkown to anyone but her cousin whom Mikael slowly devlops a sexual relation with.

Mikael's daughter we meet several times in the book. At one point he decides to drop the case because he isn't getting any result, concerning himself primarily with the names and numbers found in the diary. His daughter is going on holiday to a religious retreat. Mikael is apathtic towards it but feels afraid because the weak relationship with his daughter becomes strained as she becomes more religous. She visits him at the cottage and they exchange some dialogue concerning their relationship and his legal troubles. He contemplates leaving the investigation to prepare for his court dateas he takes his daughter to take the train to her religous retreat in Uppsalla (sp?). His daughter tries to console him by expressing concern over his dark mood. Confused Mikael asks what does she mean and she responds "The bible verses you have written on your wall, there's no need to concentrate on such ugly things." This is the first clue Mikael gets that shoes him the religious motivation for the murdwers over the years. Its the first piece of information that links all of the murders together and with Lisbeth's help they find the locations, and the investigation continues.

[amggrunt]

android654 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Can someone who have read the books and watched both movies, answer me a few questions, which I don't think would spoil anything for someone who hasn't?

The book has

Cat or No cat?
London or Australia?
Daughter or No daughter?

The american version has the cat, they use London and we see mikael's daighter. (who's central to the end of the first act. In fact there would be no resolution to the story without Mikael's daughter nor would he have motivation to finish working for Henrik)

The sweedisch version didn't include the cat, which is central to the plot. They use Australia for some reason. And Mikael has no daughter. All bad decisions.

SPOILER

In the book both london and australia play a part. In the book the missing girls look alike relative is living in london while the missing girl used the look slike's ID too school in Rome, then met her husband, and moved too Australia where she had a bunch of kids and runs the ranch.

In the movie(us version) they just cut the Australia part out for less screen time time.

[happy_daiz]

I prefer the Swedish ones with Noomi Rapace, personally. 

Although the Rooney Mara one is definitely entertaining.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 17 octobre 2012 - 04:55 .

[TheChris92]

Don't really like Swedes talking English, with English accents too (looking at Craig here), while the film is taking place in Sweden. Just feels so out of place, plus I thought Noomi Rapace and company were better than the cast in Fincher's version. All in all, I prefer the Swedish version most definitely.

[RedArmyShogun]

Holy Necro posts batman! What in the hell is wrong with you people?

[CrazyRah]

TheChris92 wrote...

Don't really like Swedes talking English, with English accents too (looking at Craig here), while the film is taking place in Sweden. Just feels so out of place, plus I thought Noomi Rapace and company were better than the cast in Fincher's version. All in all, I prefer the Swedish version most definitely.

QFT

I've seen both versions and Noomi Rapace is just perfect!  And as Chris say it feels so wrong with Swedes talking with the accents they had in the Hollywood version. 

[AshedMan]

Great flick and my time to brag that my sister was an assistant director for all of the indoors scenes.

[axl99]

Nyqvist can't act even if his life depended on it, and he had absolutely no chemistry with Rapace [whose costume designer I want to punch for making her look like a goth trying way too hard to be goth]. Rapace had to carry the rest of the tv films all by herself as they fell apart all over the place. 

The novels bored the crap out of me with stupid character/plot tropes, and we end up just wanting Lisbeth to snap and set everything on fire. Including that man**** Blomkvist. Readers will always remember the first in the series because the last two were meant to be one story and dragged out way too long for anyone's liking.

Craig may have dropped pretending to be Swedish in the beginning of Fincher's film, but he made someone like Blomkvist a relatively likeable person.  Mara's performance as Lisbeth made complete sense in the American version, and she made audiences root for her from start to finish.

Modifié par axl99, 17 octobre 2012 - 08:56 .

[Kathleen321]

You all should read the books as well They are brilliant! I love the interpretations of the characters that I've seen in the Swedish and American films as well. Daniel Craig was who I pictured as Blomkvist while I was reading the books so I was really excited when I heard he got the part.

Also, there are so many things I love about Lisbeth's character:
1.she is a strong female character who kicks ass
2.there is finally a bisexual protagonist of a story that people actually respect; She isn't depicted as a **** but as a woman very in touch with her sexuality.
3. I f*cking love her outfits
4. She's a hacker
5. her bike
6. her tattoos
7. She's a feminist who doesn't hate men- unless you're a man who abuses women- then she will kick your ass.

[brettc893]

I loved how multilayered the female main character was, but as a whole, I found the film to be a bit convoluted at times and a bit obsessed with rape.

That aside, good movie. Might check out the books.