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[Weskerr]

wolfsite wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

"Let me complain about origin while i have an active facebook account"

Facebook is free. Origin is not and nobody wants to use it.

Origin is free, you can download the client with no charge.  Also People are using it so please don't assume nobody wants it.

I didn't think I needed to elucidate, but Origin is not free if you want to play ME3 on PC. Since it's manditory to use for playing ME3 on PC (you can't play ME3 without it), then buying the PC version of ME3 is also, in essence, buying the software and service of Origin. It's a system requirement. Saying it's free is like ordering a meal at a restaurant and on the menu next to the description of the meal it says "knife and fork included free of charge."

Most people who use Origin are using it because they have to, not because they want to. My hyperbolic "nobody" isn't too far from the truth.

Modifié par Weskerr, 29 janvier 2012 - 12:55 .

[anzolino]

wolfsite, it doesn't matter whether EA are selling the data or not. They want to collect the data and I don't want to share the data. As simple is that.

[ManyDeadCats]

If you really want to know if Origin scans directories and files on your PC, just download process manager and see for yourself.

(Answer: It still does)

[anzolino]

No no. It's only a Windows bug. Nobody must care about it... according to EA.

[Icinix]

Right now - as much as I dislike needing having to have Origin - there are three massive problems preventing it from being an actual useful program.

First; Game Registration is still causing hassles.

and Second; Many peoples ID's are not showing up in Friends searches despite tinkering with Privacy settings.

Third; EA support is missing in action more than usual.

Modifié par Icinix, 29 janvier 2012 - 03:19 .

[Abram730]

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
NOPE.. I'm guessing at least not until a GOTY, unless there is some server back door solution(crosses fingers).

I remember a lot of people complaining that steam was turning off their dragon age origins dlc... I pointed out to some that the same thing happens to me and I have the retail(almost said own lol). Perhaps this is part of it? EA isn't exactly capable of running web site or servers. I remember wanting to get DLC for DA2 and their web certificates were expired.. I gave up on getting the DLC after about a month. You'd think EA would be interested in "selling things for money". Sorry BIOWARE I tried but EA wasn't interested in money.

So EA gets
retail gross margins of 30%?
steam gross margins of 70%?
origin gross margins of 90%?
All this over 20%? but no issues with 60% less?

So a $50 game gets about $15 retail and about $45 on origin and no used sales. See a DL of an illegal copy of a game isn't necessarily a lost sale. Every used sale is a lost sale as the person "payed" for it. So origin is a wet dream for them.

I have a question.. How many publishers sell on origin other then EA?
well there is valve(ironically).. Any others supporting origin?

Modifié par Abram730, 29 janvier 2012 - 01:47 .

[Reofeir]

Abram730 wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
NOPE.. I'm guessing at least not until a GOTY, unless there is some server back door solution(crosses fingers).

I remember a lot of people complaining that steam was turning off their dragon age origins dlc... I pointed out to some that the same thing happens to me and I have the retail(almost said own lol). Perhaps this is part of it? EA isn't exactly capable of running web site or servers. I remember wanting to get DLC for DA2 and their web certificates were expired.. I gave up on getting the DLC after about a month. You'd think EA would be interested in "selling things for money". Sorry BIOWARE I tried but EA wasn't interested in money.

So EA gets
retail gross margins of 30%?
steam gross margins of 70%?
origin gross margins of 90%?
All this over 20%? but no issues with 60% less?

So a $50 game gets about $15 retail and about $45 on origin and no used sales. See a DL of an illegal copy of a game isn't necessarily a lost sale. Every used sale is a lost sale as the person "payed" for it. So origin is a wet dream for them.

I have a question.. How many publishers sell on origin other then EA?
well there is valve(ironically).. Any others supporting origin?

Valve doesn't actually sell on Origin, EA just has the physical 360/ps3(?) copies of the game for sale. Valve only uses STEAM for their online sales (WHich I find funny that some people don't get mad valve does something like this but get mad when EA does it)....for companies that do use Origin the publishers of Saints Row 3 have their stuff on there, that indie game Bastion uses it, a decent amount of publishers now use it. Not a lot, but at least a decent amount. 

[Complistic]

You can add that you launch ME3 from Origin. He told me in a PM.

[Icinix]

Zenor wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
NOPE.. I'm guessing at least not until a GOTY, unless there is some server back door solution(crosses fingers).

I remember a lot of people complaining that steam was turning off their dragon age origins dlc... I pointed out to some that the same thing happens to me and I have the retail(almost said own lol). Perhaps this is part of it? EA isn't exactly capable of running web site or servers. I remember wanting to get DLC for DA2 and their web certificates were expired.. I gave up on getting the DLC after about a month. You'd think EA would be interested in "selling things for money". Sorry BIOWARE I tried but EA wasn't interested in money.

So EA gets
retail gross margins of 30%?
steam gross margins of 70%?
origin gross margins of 90%?
All this over 20%? but no issues with 60% less?

So a $50 game gets about $15 retail and about $45 on origin and no used sales. See a DL of an illegal copy of a game isn't necessarily a lost sale. Every used sale is a lost sale as the person "payed" for it. So origin is a wet dream for them.

I have a question.. How many publishers sell on origin other then EA?
well there is valve(ironically).. Any others supporting origin?

Valve doesn't actually sell on Origin, EA just has the physical 360/ps3(?) copies of the game for sale. Valve only uses STEAM for their online sales (WHich I find funny that some people don't get mad valve does something like this but get mad when EA does it)....for companies that do use Origin the publishers of Saints Row 3 have their stuff on there, that indie game Bastion uses it, a decent amount of publishers now use it. Not a lot, but at least a decent amount. 

Actually the numbers of people who hate steam is very high.

The only difference is its been around for long enough now that cries against it fall on deaf ears.


In a few years, Origin will be the same and future gamers will never understand what the uproar was about.

[Abram730]

I absolutely hated the idea of steamworks.. well until I misplaced a disk and realized there was something to steam other then pissing me off lol.. I was able to DL it.. and there was a sale.

yep from a 1-2 game a year person too err well .. I need some sort of 10 step program..

I only gave steam a chance on accident.
I was a die hard "I need to own it" and was mad that it didn't seem you could.
I think EA put piracy on the map. I remember not being able to play any EA game due to their DRM.

So it is confirmed that I can turn off data collection for ME3?

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Abram730 wrote...

I absolutely hated the idea of steamworks.. well until I misplaced a disk and realized there was something to steam other then pissing me off lol.. I was able to DL it.. and there was a sale.

yep from a 1-2 game a year person too err well .. I need some sort of 10 step program..

I only gave steam a chance on accident.
I was a die hard "I need to own it" and was mad that it didn't seem you could.
I think EA put piracy on the map. I remember not being able to play any EA game due to their DRM.

So it is confirmed that I can turn off data collection for ME3?

You could turn off data collection in ME2, too.  But that data monitors your playstyle and blah blah and has nothing to do with Origin's data monitoring, which you can't turn off.

[Icinix]

Abram730 wrote...

I absolutely hated the idea of steamworks.. well until I misplaced a disk and realized there was something to steam other then pissing me off lol.. I was able to DL it.. and there was a sale.

yep from a 1-2 game a year person too err well .. I need some sort of 10 step program..

I only gave steam a chance on accident.
I was a die hard "I need to own it" and was mad that it didn't seem you could.
I think EA put piracy on the map. I remember not being able to play any EA game due to their DRM.

So it is confirmed that I can turn off data collection for ME3?

Yeah, its been said in a few places.

The same opt-out as previous ME and DA games.

[Abram730]

Zenor wrote...

Valve doesn't actually sell on Origin, EA just has the physical 360/ps3(?) copies of the game for sale. Valve only uses STEAM for their online sales (WHich I find funny that some people don't get mad valve does something like this but get mad when EA does it)....for companies that do use Origin the publishers of Saints Row 3 have their stuff on there, that indie game Bastion uses it, a decent amount of publishers now use it. Not a lot, but at least a decent amount. 

Go to the origin page.. select PC and you will see valve games. I didn't however notice they were "In Stock" rather then DL's.. My mistake

Digital DL's is a way to resurrect PC gaming.. they can make up to 3X the money per sale. There isn't exactly much profit in PC exclusives, and PC doesn't get love on the multi platform games... Mods need to fix them up.

[Abram730]

Ohh well I'm not so worried about Bioware collecting player statistics, although it's good that you can opt out. I never had any problems with Bioware where it was their fault.

I did got the feeling when I was playing DA2 that they had the "What are these funny shapes?" problem with Tessellation. Ohh fudge the displacement maps aren't compatible. I just got that feeling that dynamic geometry vs snapping to LOD was a stumble.
I could be wrong, but it would explain some things. Well that and "When you press a button, something awesome hasta happen! Button - AWESOME!!!!"

Too soon?

Modifié par Abram730, 29 janvier 2012 - 05:32 .

[dmex]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

I doubt it was an early version of Origin since I tested it two weeks or so ago. Unless they stealth updated over the past month. I don't think it was my computer either since Steam went into offline mode.

If you're already signed in and the internet is disconnected, Origin will enter offline a few seconds later, If Origin is not already signed in, your credentials need have been saved the last time you logged on and allow you to logon offline.

It works exacly the same as Steam minus how internet connectivity is checked 

[Clive Howlitzer]

It's a mad house. A maaaaaaaaaad hooooooouuuuuse!

[Metalrocks]

found this german report and they say that it is a spyware and and it still is, even when €A has changed the thing, it still collects data from your pc.


lol, alos found this:

Modifié par Metalrocks, 29 janvier 2012 - 12:53 .

[Zatou]

This may affect my decision of whether to buy ME3 or not.

...Not saying i won't play it regardless.

[wolfsite]

Metalrocks wrote...

found this german report and they say that it is a spyware and and it still is, even when €A has changed the thing, it still collects data from your pc.


lol, alos found this:

That was from when they had that initial problem that they corrected, apologized for, and changed the EULA back in november, so you can't really use it to discuss the current version of Origin since EA has addressed the issue and fixed it.

[Metalrocks]

when i think of it, that i actually wanted to buy battlefield 3 instead of call of duty MW 3, origin stopped me from buying it. so of course i got my self MW3. at least this doesnt require the spyware.

@wolfsite
i am aware of the date. but still wanted to show it since it is more clearer then previous reports on origin.

Modifié par Metalrocks, 29 janvier 2012 - 03:33 .

[Zatou]

Metalrocks wrote...

when i think of it, that i actually wanted to buy battlefield 3 instead of call of duty MW 3, origin stopped me from buying it. so of course i got my self MW3. at least this doesnt require the spyware.

.

BF3 may have a sheety client, but it's a much better game than MW3.

Good thing that there's no competition for ME3 though.

Modifié par Zatou, 29 janvier 2012 - 03:32 .

[wolfsite]

Metalrocks wrote...

when i think of it, that i actually wanted to buy battlefield 3 instead of call of duty MW 3, origin stopped me from buying it. so of course i got my self MW3. at least this doesnt require the spyware.

Please provide proof that the current version of Origin is spyware as it has been stated officially and by independant sources (Evidence is in the original Origin/ME3 Thread) that is it not.

[Metalrocks]

wolfsite wrote...

Metalrocks wrote...

when i think of it, that i actually wanted to buy battlefield 3 instead of call of duty MW 3, origin stopped me from buying it. so of course i got my self MW3. at least this doesnt require the spyware.

Please provide proof that the current version of Origin is spyware as it has been stated officially and by independant sources (Evidence is in the original Origin/ME3 Thread) that is it not.

it sais in the EULA that it collects data. only because they changed the words, doesnt mean it doesnt do anyhting anymore. its €A we are talking about. you can find lots of infos here.
www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/9359-Dear-Origin-You-Stink


if you like to have origin on your pc and trust €A that they dont collect data from you, thats fine by me, but i dont trust them, i will not change my mind either.

[Abram730]

What does EA consider to be public information?
As in anonymous data and publicly available information.

I think it depends on what one considers publicly available information. What information could one find in public records and then transmit in connection to your anonymous data? I bet it's quite a bit seeing as EA has your personal data.

[wolfsite]

Abram730 wrote...

What does EA consider to be public information?
As in anonymous data and publicly available information.

I think it depends on what one considers publicly available information. What information could one find in public records and then transmit in connection to your anonymous data? I bet it's quite a bit seeing as EA has your personal data.

tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/


Here is the main points:

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II.    EA’s Site Is TRUSTe Certified

EA has been awarded TRUSTe's Privacy Seal signifying that this privacy policy and practices have been reviewed by TRUSTe for compliance with TRUSTe's Privacy Program Requirements available at TRUSTe.com including
transparency, accountability and choice regarding the collection and use of your personal information.  TRUSTe's mission, as an independent third party, is to accelerate online trust among consumers and organizations globally through its leading privacy trustmark and innovative trust solutions.

III.    What Is Personal Information And When Does EA Collect It?

EA collects both personal and non-personal consumer information. Personal information collected by EA is discussed below in this section. Non-personal information is discussed below in Section IV.

Personal information is information that identifies you and that can be used alone, to contact you on-line or off-line. EA may collect personal information from our online visitors during:

●    Contest registration and prize acceptance;
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●    Registration for games and/or special game-specific events;
●    Newsletter subscriptions, referral services, and other marketing surveys and email campaigns;
●    Registration for EA/Origin and/or other service accounts;
●    Creation of a personal profile;
●    Product, service and/or subscription orders;
●    Service requests from third party service providers on our site;
●    Access to our products and/or services on social networks or other third party services; and
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Otherwise through use of our software, mobile or online services where personal information is required for use and/or participation.

Information collected will vary depending upon the activity and may include your name, email address, phone number, home address, birth date, mobile phone number and credit card information. Visitors to EA Mobile may be asked to provide the name of their mobile service carrier, model of their mobile phone and a valid mobile number so that we may provide purchase instructions directly to their mobile phone. In that context,  your mobile number will only be used to send you a text message with a  link to download your game and will not be retained for any other purpose. Prize winners may be required to provide their Social Security or other identification number for tax purposes, and will be used only  for prize fulfillment.

IV.    What Is Non-Personal Information and When Does EA Collect It?

Non-personal information, alone, cannot be used to identify or contact you. EA collects non-personal information about your use of our online and mobile products and services both on our website and in the course of game play and software usage (on PC, mobile and game system platforms).

We will retain your information for as long as your account is active or as needed to provide you services. If you wish to cancel your account or request that we no longer use your information contact the Privacy Policy Administrator in your country listed on our site at privacyadmin.ea.com, or if your country is not listed, by contacting the Privacy Policy Administrator in the United States.   There may be instances where we are legally required to retain your information.

A.    What Types of Non-Personal Information Does EA Collect?

When you use EA online and mobile products and services or you play our games on your PC or game system, we may collect certain non-personally identifiable information for purposes including improving our products
and services, troubleshooting bugs, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. The non-personal information collected may include demographic information including gender, age, zip code, information about your computer, hardware, software, platform, game system, media, mobile device, including unique device IDs or other device identifiers, incident data, Internet Protocol (IP) address, network Media Access Control (MAC) address and connection. We also collect other non-personal information such as username, user ID or persona, feature usage, game play statistics, scores and achievements, user rankings and click paths as well as other data that you may provide in surveys, via your account preferences and online profiles such as friends lists or purchases, for instance. We may also receive either non-personal or public information from third parties in connection with market and demographic studies and/or other data that we use to supplement personal information provided directly by you.

Modifié par wolfsite, 29 janvier 2012 - 04:45 .