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[KotorEffect3]

I play as both, I don't see what the big deal is.

[lucidfox]

There is no big deal, that's what.

Yes, some of us are not men/women in real life. However, they're probably also not veteran soldiers, or psychokinetics, nor have they actually commanded starships with alien crews.

Roleplaying, by definition, is playing the role of someone who isn't you. Shepard isn't you. You want to play a different gender role? Go ahead; I'll only welcome it if it gives you some insight into it.

Now, can we please move on as a culture?

[KotorEffect3]

Last Vizard wrote...

StElmo wrote...

I was reading in the Starwars vs ME forum that some guys think playing as femshep is wierd and unnatural.

Why is this?

Personally I like playing as female shepard because of:

a) better actor
more interesting context having a female hero
c) I like seeing blindness to sexism in a game (mostly femshep is treated like maleshep - refreshing)
d) I prefer to play as a slightly more sensitive looking character then some mug alpha male who I would feel intimidated by if I met in real life.
e) I wanna be friends with femshep in real life, cos she seems nicer then stupid angry male shepard
f) I get that ellen ripley vibe.

StonedVolus wrote...

I play as both, don't see what's so weird about it.

Oh, I should say, I PLAY Both. But Femshep is my "canon" shepard if that makes sense.

a) I prefer Keanu Reeves type actors so I'm going to say Mark Meer is the better voice actor
Stereo types are usually based on a truth, strong female characters are unbelieveable because there are so few strong women in RL however Aliens is proof that it can be done well in movies.
c) Men and women are different biologically.... brain chemistry is different, rights should/are equall however men and women aren't the same.
d) okay... well I'm not sure why men should be more sensitive, do we really want our species to become easily intimidated?
e) Really don't know if your trolling me here
f) THIS is practically the only thing we agree on, the problem is when they try to pull off butch with a stick model femShep.... the butch women (I work in the minning industry) I know and work with aren't physically attractive, mentally they are though because they would make great mothers. (the whole "if your ugly pick up a book and if your fat buy a computer" quote comes to mind.

FemShep isn't ugly enough to be butch and believeable,  made me laugh when the "my little pony" type guy posted on this thread too.  I respect people that are honest and speak their mind, the less politically correct the better.

The first vibe I get when a male plays a female character especially when there are romance options, is that this guy never played contact sports growing up, always got his big athletic friend to "save" him at school, secretly wishes he was a women, scared of other adult men and/or never been in a fight.

Your impression is most likely going to be that I'm immature and a d!ck or something like that, maybe I am however that doesn't necessarily make me wrong though.  It isn't my intent to make anyone feel bad however in RL i'm very blunt when I talk with people so I'm not changing that online.

PS. I will note that some people do play as a female character only for the experiance itself, however few that may be.

Dude that is so off it isn't even funny.  My canon is a male shepard but I have done tons of playthroughs with both genders.  Maybe some of us feel that playing as a different gender gives us a different experience and gives the game replay value.

[DJBare]

Last Vizard wrote...
Stereo types are usually based on a truth, strong female characters are unbelieveable because there are so few strong women in RL

Depends on what you mean by "strong woman" 

[Xeranx]

Collider wrote...

Anthropophobic wrote...

Collider wrote...
ME1 is decent, but in ME2 female Shepard tries too hard to sound badass or sexy. The conversations with Jacob is an example of the latter, even if you're not actually intending to romance him.

Probably the fault of the writers. I stopped talking to Jacob after the loyalty mission because, a conversation or two later, all the options in the dialogue tree seemed at least a little bit flirtatious, and I thought I was going to end up getting ninjamanced. I was saving myself for Garrus, so I actually reloaded my game at that point.

Writer and voice director, I'm sure.
The whole premise with Jacob being the "sexy" casual romance with female Shepard was ill advised, and the voice direction just made it worse.

The voice direction on a lot of the lines left much to be desired as far as I'm concerned.  In fact, the whole deal with Jacob impacted my female playthrough where I was going to romance Thane.  That paraphrase, "I want you Thane", just stopped me cold.  I sat there for a few seconds wondering why Bioware would do this.  Of course I never went through with the romance as a result.  I never followed through on the Jacob romance I intended either.  I've done one Garrus romance up until the fade to black and then reloaded.  "Reach and flexibility" is way too corny a line for me to have let that be what beckoned my female Shepard to try something with Garrus.

On the otherside I've done Tali's romance.  Hated the build up.  Jack's romance was done with a modded playthrough to allow for a female-female romance on principle.  Kelly's was also done with a female Shepard.  Didn't like it that much either, but subsequent playthroughs made me see that I could probably work it using Garrus as a lead-in to discussion.  I'll see how it goes.

Frankly, I need things to move seamlessly and without the blatantly painful awkward crap you can see coming for 1000 miles.  I really cringe at stuff that smacks of just absolute nonsense.  For those who saw "Funny People", I was watching that recently and I had to turn it off when Seth Rogen's character told the joke that was written for Adam Sandler's character.  

[Omilophile]

Modifié par Omilophile, 29 janvier 2012 - 07:08 .

[hawkens982]

I play both genders, mostly because I find some DLC armour to go with male or female better than the other (i.e. I find blood dragon armour look better on femshep than manshep), so I play female engineer and male vanguard for example. I think the OP has valid points, but it only pertains to other games (such as Oblivion/Skyrim 'enhancement' mods), but in the case of Mass Effect, I dont think it matters, as others have said, playing as one or the other will give you different dialog options or they just prefer whichever VA did the role.

[Last Vizard]

DJBare wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...
Stereo types are usually based on a truth, strong female characters are unbelieveable because there are so few strong women in RL

Depends on what you mean by "strong woman" 

That is still a very short list and hardly shows that theres more than just a "few" strong woman in RL

[Yuqi]

I play both. I prefer hale because; I grew up with nothing but male leads, in war games. I'm also a straight female who used a femshep to romance liara..

Modifié par Yuqi, 29 janvier 2012 - 07:15 .

[hawkens982]

Last Vizard wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...
Stereo types are usually based on a truth, strong female characters are unbelieveable because there are so few strong women in RL

Depends on what you mean by "strong woman" 

That is still a very short list and hardly shows that theres more than just a "few" strong woman in RL

Thats only ones that are in the history books. I'm pretty sure there are strong women in the present time as well. Just look at female executives in various companies, successful female authors, actresses etc. You cant just go "Oh I only know Boudicca and Joan of Arc, so that proves there are only a handful of strong women".

[Last Vizard]

lucidfox wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Stereo types are usually based on a truth, strong female characters are unbelieveable because there are so few strong women in RL

c) Men and women are different biologically.... brain chemistry is different

FemShep isn't ugly enough to be butch and believeable

The first vibe I get when a male plays a female character especially when there are romance options, is that this guy never played contact sports growing up, always got his big athletic friend to "save" him at school, secretly wishes he was a women, scared of other adult men and/or never been in a fight.

Happy dethawing. Have you enjoyed your cryocamera? I regret to inform you that the morals of 2012 are quite different than those of 1952; however, I'm sure that with enough effort and self-control, you will adjust to the zeitgeist of the modern society.

This made me laugh pretty hard

[Omilophile]

lucidfox wrote...

c) Men and women are different biologically.... brain chemistry is different

Happy dethawing. Have you enjoyed your cryocamera? I regret to inform you that the morals of 2012 are quite different than those of 1952; however, I'm sure that with enough effort and self-control, you will adjust to the zeitgeist of the modern society.

    


Having different brain chemistry and biology has nothing to do with morals. Men and women think and react differently to different things. It is a scientific fact. And having "different" morals doesn't make them "correct" morals. You should never embrace change solely for its own sake. That means morals, too.

[Omilophile]

Last Vizard wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Stereo types are usually based on a truth, strong female characters are unbelieveable because there are so few strong women in RL

c) Men and women are different biologically.... brain chemistry is different

FemShep isn't ugly enough to be butch and believeable

The first vibe I get when a male plays a female character especially when there are romance options, is that this guy never played contact sports growing up, always got his big athletic friend to "save" him at school, secretly wishes he was a women, scared of other adult men and/or never been in a fight.

Happy dethawing. Have you enjoyed your cryocamera? I regret to inform you that the morals of 2012 are quite different than those of 1952; however, I'm sure that with enough effort and self-control, you will adjust to the zeitgeist of the modern society.

This made me laugh pretty hard

 

LOL. Me too. Don't you just love political correctness?

[jlb524]

StElmo wrote...

I was reading in the Starwars vs ME forum that some guys think playing as femshep is wierd and unnatural.

That's dumb.

Most of my fave guys on BSN play FemShep

Modifié par jlb524, 29 janvier 2012 - 07:24 .

[Last Vizard]

hawkens982 wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...
Stereo types are usually based on a truth, strong female characters are unbelieveable because there are so few strong women in RL

Depends on what you mean by "strong woman" 

That is still a very short list and hardly shows that theres more than just a "few" strong woman in RL

Thats only ones that are in the history books. I'm pretty sure there are strong women in the present time as well. Just look at female executives in various companies, successful female authors, actresses etc. You cant just go "Oh I only know Boudicca and Joan of Arc, so that proves there are only a handful of strong women".

... I think we are going off the rails here alittle, I haven't said that every male is "strong" either but that there are so few strong women in RL history, also "strong" should not be confuesed with authors or actresses.  Successful and strong are not the same, I'm talking about the strength to face death and to try and fight against odds where failure means death for you, your tribe and/or your people.

[Last Vizard]

Omilophile wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Stereo types are usually based on a truth, strong female characters are unbelieveable because there are so few strong women in RL

c) Men and women are different biologically.... brain chemistry is different

FemShep isn't ugly enough to be butch and believeable

The first vibe I get when a male plays a female character especially when there are romance options, is that this guy never played contact sports growing up, always got his big athletic friend to "save" him at school, secretly wishes he was a women, scared of other adult men and/or never been in a fight.

Happy dethawing. Have you enjoyed your cryocamera? I regret to inform you that the morals of 2012 are quite different than those of 1952; however, I'm sure that with enough effort and self-control, you will adjust to the zeitgeist of the modern society.

This made me laugh pretty hard

 

LOL. Me too. Don't you just love political correctness?

yeah, actually the first thing I wanted to know when I stepped out of that pod was where the bathroom was but this chick would not shut up

[Xeranx]

On topic: I'm a heterosexual male and I find I play more females in games than males. The first time I did it was Star Wars Galaxies and I have to admit that I felt weird about it. I didn't know how to act or anything. I've heard the patented "if I have to look at someone's ass" excuse before. I don't buy into it. More macho bs.

Lately, the reason I have been playing more females is I can't stand the character creators for males. Particularly black males. My avatar on the left took me so much time in DA:O and he is my go to any time I run that game. And I still think he looks too Anglo. Also, he's not my first character. It took me a while before I decided to try making him. I find the female side much easier to deal with.

When it comes to voices, this too becomes an issue for me. I don't play a Garrett Hawk because I can't reconcile that my intended male character will have that voice. I can buy a woman of color having Marion's voice. Same goes for Mass Effect. It took me a long time to accept male Shepard's voice and I still only have two male Shepards out of I don't know how many male/female Shepard's I've made. I can accept Hale's voice for my female Shepard because I've heard women of color who sound similar.

Now, I'm currently playing DCUO and I can't play a male character because I find the character creator for that game to be very poor. On the female side there's only one option out of at least 6 which all bear Caucasian characteristics. I was so looking forward to APB. Too bad that game failed and the free-to-play version leaves much to be desired. *shrug*

[corporal doody]

didnt read everything..but given the option in a game...i will 9/10 play the female. why? to get as far away from myself as i can. I prefer playing the badass chic who goes out kicking ass...ESPECIALLY if there is a fem/fem relationship up in there...just icing on a delicious cake.

I think people who harp to much on dudes playing fem characters and ladies playing the dudes...need to chill out. it is a game...not some insight to a person's inner being. Maybe those that dis..got some issues or some junk...word.

[Omilophile]

Last Vizard wrote...

yeah, actually the first thing I wanted to know when I stepped out of that pod was where the bathroom was but this chick would not shut up

I...uh...I don't understand what that means...*hangs head in shame because it's probably something I should recognize*

[seirhart]

AlanC9 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

111987 wrote...
a). Subjective. Plenty of people don't like Hale's more emotional style (I personally think both VA's are very good)

Bull****. You think that just anyone can win oscar awards for acting? You don't think that acting school has logical and time tested rating systems in place? You wouldn't call these things subjective if you had a better than low level understanding of what makes good actors good.

True. The people who don't like Hale's performance are just wrong.

I'll take Meer's voice acting over Hales acting way before Hale's

[Last Vizard]

Omilophile wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

yeah, actually the first thing I wanted to know when I stepped out of that pod was where the bathroom was but this chick would not shut up

I...uh...I don't understand what that means...*hangs head in shame because it's probably something I should recognize*

not a proper quote from futurama when Fry starts working at the time pod place, also Austin Powers when he is dethawed.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I tried a FemShep playthrough, but I just could not get used to the voice. Generally I just perfer playing as a male character as aspects of my personality do carry through to the choices I make.

A friend of mine always plays female characters in any game's that allows of it. He uses the staring at a woman's ass reasoning, but we still make fun of him for that and doing theater as a hobby, but it's all in good-natured fun. He's married and is no crazier than most people.

The whole thing is no big deal. But by asking the question you've stirred up the FEMSHEP STRONG!!1 crowd.

[DJBare]

Last Vizard wrote...I'm talking about the strength to face death and to try and fight against odds where failure means death for you, your tribe and/or your people.

You gotta be kidding me, that's a state of mind, a mother for instance would most likely face death to protect her young, but there are worse things than facing death, ask the SOE

Women were also used as secret agents. They were members of SOE (Special
Operations Executive) and were usually parachuted into occupied France or landed
in special Lysander planes. Their work was exceptionally dangerous as just one
slip could lead to capture, torture and death. Their work was to find out all
that they could to support the Allies for the planned landings in Normandy in
June 1944. The most famous female SOE members were Violette Szabo and Odette
Churchill. Both were awarded the George Cross for the work they did - the George
Cross is the highest bravery award that a civilian can get. Both were captured
and tortured. Violette Szabo was murdered by the Gestapo while Odette Churchill
survived the war.

[Yumi50]

I'm a guy. And i'm in for Jennifer Hale!

[Pee Jae]

Wow, two controversial topics in as many days. I like you.  Haven't read through the whole thing yet, but I bookmarked it, so I can see what people think at my leisure.

Part of it is, yeah, the Ellen Ripley vibe. Really strong female character. I have nothing against Male Shep, either his face or his vo. I just know Jennifer Hale from other things. It's kind of like being with an old friend. An old friend who is attractive and has a nice body.

I do play both, I just prefer FemShep as my canon shep.