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[Reds19]

 ok so the Reapers have already tried 3 ways to get out of deep space.... 1. the citidel     2. the collecters rebuilding a Reaper     3. The reapers coming though one of the mass relay's( DLC)
How do you guys think the Reapers will return in ME3?

[G3rman]

FTL, another Relay, Haestrom's star collapsing as a portal..

All that good stuff.

[Thargorichiban]

They did it the old fashioned way: they slogged through the empty space between galaxies until they got to the nearest working relay in the Milky Way galaxy.

[111987]

They just use FTL travel after the Citadel plan and the Alpha Relay plan fail.

The Human Reaper had nothing to do with the Reaper's return plan.

[DetailedSubset]

Op you need to pay more attention when you play ME2

Modifié par DetailedSubset, 29 janvier 2012 - 03:02 .

[Reds19]

DetailedSubset wrote...

Op you need to pay more attention when you play ME2

 
why is that?

[Haasth]

Reds19 wrote...

DetailedSubset wrote...

Op you need to pay more attention when you play ME2

 
why is that?

Well it's explained pretty well, but yes. Their other plans failed, so they're going the old fashioned "Fly there" way. 
Which takes time. And they finally arrive in ME3. 

[Thargorichiban]

Reds19 wrote...

DetailedSubset wrote...

Op you need to pay more attention when you play ME2

 
why is that?

The very end alludes to how they get to the Milky Way galaxy.

If you play Arrival it outright tells you.

[KotorEffect3]

ftl to the next relay after the alpha relay and boy did harbinger start getting cranky.

[Reds19]

well thanks guys ill need to replay it then

[Zakatak757]

They started slogging through (about) 400,000 lightyears of nothingness immediately after Sovereign was wtfpwned.

Modifié par Zakatak757, 29 janvier 2012 - 03:59 .

[SnakeStrike8]

Zakatak757 wrote...

They started slogging through (about) 400,000 lightyears of nothingness immediately after Sovereign was wtfpwned.

This does still beg the question of how they found out at all. FTL comms don't go that fast.
Although I do suppose Harbinger had no trouble maintaing a real-time connection to the Collectors, so maybe the Reapers kept in touch with the heretic geth.

[111987]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

They started slogging through (about) 400,000 lightyears of nothingness immediately after Sovereign was wtfpwned.

This does still beg the question of how they found out at all. FTL comms don't go that fast.
Although I do suppose Harbinger had no trouble maintaing a real-time connection to the Collectors, so maybe the Reapers kept in touch with the heretic geth.

Quantam Entanglement, most likely.

[Yuoaman]

There were probably a couple of other relays on the fringes of the galaxy that they could use to attack strategic locations.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Zakatak757 wrote...

They started slogging through (about) 400,000 lightyears of nothingness immediately after Sovereign was wtfpwned.

This, though I doubt all of them started to make the journey.  It'd probably be faster for some of the Reapers to enter the galaxy and trigger the Citadel Relay to let the rest of them into the galaxy than it is for all of the Reapers to just FTL in.

I wonder how many Mass Relays they actually have in Darkspace, though.  I imagine that there has to be at least two, since you can't just FTL out of a Relay, you need a one to launch you into another.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

They started slogging through (about) 400,000 lightyears of nothingness immediately after Sovereign was wtfpwned.

This does still beg the question of how they found out at all. FTL comms don't go that fast.
Although I do suppose Harbinger had no trouble maintaing a real-time connection to the Collectors, so maybe the Reapers kept in touch with the heretic geth.

A Hyper advanced machine capable of harvesting life probably keeps in constant contact with more of its kind.  Once Sovereign went offline, I'm sure the other Reapers knew.

[LOLandStuff]

Like duuuh!!! How else would they get here?

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 29 janvier 2012 - 04:10 .

[Blacklash93]

What's so difficult to comprehend about flying through space like a regular ship? It's not like Dark Space is some sort of cosmic barrier sealing them away.

[mkk316]

Blacklash93 wrote...

What's so difficult to comprehend about flying through space like a regular ship? It's not like Dark Space is some sort of cosmic barrier sealing them away.

I think it's more the distances using "conventional" travel that boggles people's minds.  If you\\re far enough from the galaxy that you can see it, that is a HUUUUUuuuuuge distance to travel just using ftl.

[Han Shot First]

Blacklash93 wrote...

What's so difficult to comprehend about flying through space like a regular ship? It's not like Dark Space is some sort of cosmic barrier sealing them away.

The incredibly vast distances they'd have to travel? All mention of the Reapers in dark space implied that they were far enough out there that they needed Sovereign to open the Citadel relay to get there.

If the Reapers could just have just flown at normal FTL speeds to the Milky Way galaxy in a relatively short amount of time, the whole plot of ME1 and ME2 seems rather pointless. If it was so easy to reach the Milky Way galaxy, why didn't the Reapers just fly there when the Keepers failed to respond? They'd have caught the galaxy unaware in that case, and not telegraphed their next move by fighting and losing a battle at the Citadel.

I'm hoping in ME3 that the Reapers have 'found another way' to reach the Milky Way galaxy besides normal FTL travel. They should figure out how to open a wormhole or something similar without the use of relays, or agents of the Reapers within the Milky Way should have have reconfigured a relay to link with the Dark Space relay that originally linked to the Citadel. Either one would explain how they were able to reach the Milky Way in a relatively short amount of time while not invalidating the plot of the first two games.

I think it's more the distances using "conventional" travel that boggles people's minds.  If you\\re far enough from the galaxy that you can see it, that is a HUUUUUuuuuuge distance to travel just using ftl.

This.

That cutscene implied that the Reapers were extremely far out of the Milky Way, and deep in Dark Space. It should take them more than two years. Anyone that says otherwise, is underestimating the vastness of space. Even at the speed of light it would take you 100,000 years to fly from one end of the Milky Way galaxy to the other. And the Reapers were far outside the Milky Way.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 29 janvier 2012 - 04:27 .

[Zakatak757]

It would be way cooler if a group of the Reapers formed a makeshift Mass Relay using their bodies and discharging all their dark energy into it, so the rest of the Reapers could be flung into the Milky Way. Regarding that "FTL comm" issue, Mass Effect 2 should have been about stopping the message of Sovereign's death from getting out to dark space. Then we would have a relevant story.

EDIT: what is so OOOOMMMGG about the Reapers getting here via normal FTL? In Stargate or Andromeda, hyperspace/slipstream allows travel between galaxies in under a month, and nobody whines about that. The Reapers have about 300,000 light years to travel. So if it took them 3 years to get here, then that would mean they travel at 100,000c. I believe alot of sci-fi's have faster FTL then that (except Trek and maybe Halo).

Modifié par Zakatak757, 29 janvier 2012 - 04:32 .

[Han Shot First]

EDIT: what is so OOOOMMMGG about the Reapers getting here via normal FTL? In Stargate or Andromeda, hyperspace/slipstream allows travel between galaxies in under a month, and nobody whines about that. The Reapers have about 300,000 light years to travel. So if it took them 3 years to get here, then that would mean they travel at 100,000c. I believe alot of sci-fi's have faster FTL then that (except Trek and maybe Halo).

A lot of Sci Fi franchises do have ships that can travel across or between galaxies without the aid of something similar to a mass effect relay. But just because it happens in Star Wars or Star Trek, doesn't mean it should also happen in Mass Effect. It is a different universe that is operating under different rules, and with a different level of technological advancement.

The mass effect relays are either Reaper tech, or the tech of the species that created the Reapers. In either case, the Reapers apparently still rely on the relays for travel across the galaxy. That was pretty much the entire plot of Mass Effect 1, with Saren & Sovereign trying to open the Citadel relay to allow the Reapers to jump in from dark space. If the Reapers had been capable of hyperspace jumps they wouldn't have needed Saren and would have simply jumped in at the start of Mass Effect 1.

I'm 100% against retcons.
 
So one thing I do not want to see, is a reveal that the Reapers are capable of ridiculous FTL speeds that make the Mass Effect relays unneccesary for them. That would only invalidate the story of the first game. If the Reapers don't need Mass Effect relays, they also didn't need Saren, in which case the entire plot of the original Mass Effect would no longer make sense.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Even worse, if they don't need Relays, then they didn't need to start the Rachni Wars.

edit: Which is why I think that Reapers are scattered across Darkspace instead of them all just being in one clump and that the full fleet remains in Darkspace because they weren't close enough to arrive via conventional Reaper FTL means.

Modifié par ItsFreakinJesus, 29 janvier 2012 - 05:24 .

[Han Shot First]

All Dead wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
If the Reapers could just have just flown at normal FTL speeds to the Milky Way galaxy in a relatively short amount of time, the whole plot of ME1 and ME2 seems rather pointless.

What is "normal" FTL, though? FTL = Faster Than Light. It's not an exact unit of time/space/speed. All it tells us is that it's faster than ~186,000 miles per second.

What I mean by 'normal' FTL speeds, is speeds at or not far exceeding the capabilities of Council ships. If the Reapers are capable of ridiculously fast FTL speeds that allow them to traverse a galaxy without the use of Mass Effect relays, it creates a giant plot hole that makes Mass Effect 1 hard to explain.

What doesn't make ME 1 pointless in the war against the Reapers is the fact that the Reapers' main MO consisted of using the Citadel as both an arrival relay and a central control system for all other relays in the galaxy. From that central control they could reprogram all relays to be useable only by them, cutting off all civilized systems from one another, therefore giving the Reaper invasion an element of surprise, preventing potential resistance from organizing, and making the Reapers' job of, well, reaping--system by system--easier and more organized.

Being able to travel from Dark Space to the Citadel in the blink of an eye (relatively speaking) without the use of a Mass Effect relay, or some new development that explains the ability to get there without a Mass Effect relay, does create a plot hole.
 
At the start of Mass Effect 1, if the Reapers had been capable of simply jumping in to Citadel space without a Mass Effect relay, or of simply driving there at FTL speeds in under two or three years, why did they bother with Saren & Sovereign? Simply jumping in or flying to the nearest Citadel-linked relay would still give them the element of suprise, and they'd be much better poised to overrun and seize the Citadel with the might of the entire Reaper fleet gathered in one place. Mass Effect 1's plot only makes sense if the Reapers were unable to reach the Citadel at FTL speeds, and needed Saren/Sovereign to take control of the Citadel and open that relay.

As noted by the user that posted above me,  it would also invalidate the Rachni Wars. There are strong hints that the Rachni Wars were Sovereign's Plan A, with Saren eventually coming to be Plan B.  If the Reapers were capable of simply flying to the Citadel at FTL speeds in a reasonable amount of time, they didn't need the Rachni either, and could have simply flown in and annihilated the galaxy around the time that Constantine was being crowned Emperor of Rome.

For those reasons I'm hoping for an explanation of how the Reapers get to the Milky Way beyond, "We floored it."

Modifié par Han Shot First, 29 janvier 2012 - 06:05 .