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[Brockololly]

Gaiden96 wrote...
I doubt that. It's much more likely that after ME3 releases, we see the continuation of DA II DLC and an expansion afterwards and (this one is just a hope) some DLC after that, that finishes off Hawke's story.

No offense, but thats a pipe dream.

At best, there may be one last DLC and that'll be it for DA2. But I wouldn't be surprised if they're done with DA2 either.

As much as some here may have enjoyed DA2, by most accounts it sold less than Origins. And so long as any post release content, whether thats DLC or an expansion pack, is dependent on people owning the base game, thats ruling out tons of people as a potential audience. Then you add in people that bought DA2 but didn't enjoy it or no longer own it or even maybe enjoyed it but have moved on to other games. Any potential audience for future DA2 related content is going to be a fraction of a fraction of a fraction.

Then you have to come to grips with the fact that its almost one year post launch. One year post launch of Origins, it had released all of its DLC, Awakening and DA2 had already been unveiled. One year post launch of ME2, it had released all of its DLC minus Arrival, which wasn't worked on by the main Edmonton team but was outsourced to Montreal.

It comes down to whether it woud make sense to invest money into creating content which not very many people are going to see. As Gaider mentioned here before Awakening was released, one of the biggest factors in the success of an expack is its proximity to launching after the base game. The farther out you go, the harder it will be to sell well. I would imagine thats especially true for anything tied to DA2- a game which received a tepid response by a fair number of people.

Thats not to say BioWare couldn't release an expansion pack or mini DLC that wasn't dependent on owning Dragon Age 2. Not unlike what Remedy is doing with the Alan Wake DLC American Nightmare, which is stand alone from the base game.

Gaiden96 wrote...
During the same period, we may an alternation of ME3 DLC releases,expansion for DA II and DA-related news. Along with the comics and other stuff we will probably see.

I don't think there is as much coordination in releasing content between ME and DA as some seem to think. Shadown Broker and Witch Hunt came out on the same day as I recall.

HTTP 404 wrote...
more likely this is the case.  A big reveal  before Me3 comes out my take some of me3 thunder.  I think something  will be revealed in March as well.  I just hope it isn't Da3 coming in  March 2013, too soon.

I would be surprised if there isn't some kind of announcement of DA related game content before March is over.  Whether thats just another DA2 DLC or possibly teasing DA3 for 2013.

Considering EA/BioWare's staggered release schedule for so many of their properties (BF and Medal of Honor alternating years, Need for Speed) I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see the same with ME and DA. We're already seeing it, what with DAO coming out in 2009, ME2 2010, DA2 2011 and now ME3 in 2012. DA3 in 2013 seems pretty likely, unfortunately.

Yrkoon wrote...

Just curious... When was the last time Bioware put out a DLC more than 1 year after its main game's release?

With Baldur's Gate 2, it was released September 26, 2000 and Throne of Bhaal was released June 21, 2001.

With ME1, it was released November 20, 2007 for 360 and the last DLC, Pinnacle Station came out August 29, 2008.

With DAO, it was released November 2009 and the last DLC, Witch Hunt was released September 7, 2010.

With ME2, it was released January 26, 2010 and the last Edmonton developed DLC, Lair of the Shadow Broker was released September 7, 2010. Arrival, the last DLC, worked on by Montreal, was released March 14, 2011.

Modifié par Brockololly, 29 janvier 2012 - 11:17 .

[Yrkoon]

^so, only ME2's Arrival DLC came out more than a year after its parent game. Of course, ME2 is one of Bioware's biggest selling games.  interesting to note though, that it came out  exactly one week after DA2's release.


Also, just remembered: Bioware put out DLC for Neverwinter Nights a full 3-5 years after its release (Witch's Wake; Infinite Dungeons; King Maker; Wyvern Crown of Cormyr). But I don't know if that counts. There was no such thing as DLC back then. Those were just "premium modules" (stuff they made with the toolset but charged 5 bucks for because of the  professional voice acting.)

Modifié par Yrkoon, 29 janvier 2012 - 11:40 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Yrkoon said...

Just curious... When was the last time Bioware put out a DLC more than 1 year after its main game's release?

The Helsinki Incident of 1919... and we all know how THAT turned out!

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 29 janvier 2012 - 11:45 .

[JasonPogo]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Yrkoon said...

Just curious... When was the last time Bioware put out a DLC more than 1 year after its main game's release?

The Helsinki Incident of 1919... and we all know how THAT turned out!

lol you win this thread.

Also anyone expecting an expanshion is just dreaming.  This game is dead in the water.  I'm not here to say it was bad or good.  But as it stands now they will not sell near the amount needed to make an expanshion worth it.

[SkittlesKat96]

I really doubt they are making an expansion, they would get a lot of flak for doing that (too much time has passed and it'd arguably be a bit of a lazy thing to do.)

They might be making a main story based DLC though, and it might be really good.

DA 3 will most likely come out in 2013 (2012 has already been ruled out and 2014 is probably a bit too long but still possible. If a 2014 release date meant the game would be really good then I wouldn't mind that being the release date.)

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 30 janvier 2012 - 06:22 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Yes... we... can!

Its an election year, after all.

[Relix28]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Yes... we... can!

Its an election year, after all.

Please don't use that obnoxious phrase.

[Yrkoon]

No we can't, then?

Or... No they won't?

Or... We promise X (In the political sense, where X= something that will likely be broken, or forgotten, or  simply not followed up on)

Modifié par Yrkoon, 30 janvier 2012 - 01:21 .

[Wolf]

JasonPogo wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Yrkoon said...

Just curious... When was the last time Bioware put out a DLC more than 1 year after its main game's release?

The Helsinki Incident of 1919... and we all know how THAT turned out!

lol you win this thread.

Also anyone expecting an expanshion is just dreaming.  This game is dead in the water.  I'm not here to say it was bad or good.  But as it stands now they will not sell near the amount needed to make an expanshion worth it.

You have absolutely no statistics or numbers to make such assumptions. Stick to the facts please.

[Yrkoon]

Gaiden96 wrote...

You have absolutely no statistics or numbers to make such assumptions. Stick to the facts please.

A few of us have been posting statistics and numbers since pretty much the beginning of this thread. You can ignore them, but don't pretend they're not there.

Connect the dots.

1) It's been months, and an entire holiday season, since the last DLC. And not a single word about another one has been uttered (by contrast, we were given hints about MoTA just a few weeks after Legacy was released. We were also given almost a whole  month of buildup/promotion for MoTA)
2) With one exception (and it was for a higher rated and higher selling game) Bioware does not release DLC after the one year mark. And EA's fiscal year ends in about 1 month (march).   Again, connect the dots.
3) The last we heard of anything future related regarding Dragon age, it was this and before that, it was the New York Comic Con presentation.  It's all about the next Dragon age. Not addons for the previous one. Also, pay special attention to the second one there. Laidlaw talks about the world map; and he hints at a new system for companion gear customization. ie.  all the stuff that cannot be done in a DLC/Expansion. He's Obviously talking about the Next Dragon age game.  He even goes so far as to tell the audience that he doesn't want to reveal too many spoilers.  If spoilers even exist  to BE held back,  then that  means they've already begun working on DA3, and the process is well underway.

Question:  Why would they do such a thing?  Why would two big shots at Bioware take up so much valuable public time at a game convention to talk about the NEXT dragon age instead of, say,  something more to marketing's relevancy window, like the Next DLC they're working on? Could it maybe be because they're NOT working on another DLC? Hmm? 

Modifié par Yrkoon, 30 janvier 2012 - 02:39 .

[Jamie_edmo]

When arrival was released the PS3 ME2 had only just came out a month before (or near abouts) so maybe that had something to do with arrivals release being later than usual, pushed back to coincide with it perhaps

Modifié par Jamie_edmo, 30 janvier 2012 - 02:17 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

I think we're actually more likely to see a stand alone expansion than DLC.

Stand alone expansion would allow them to make a new exe... so they could try out some of the changes they've hinted at for DA3. They could wrap up Hawke's story, show off their new game mechanics, and put out a product that might interest people who didn't get into DA2.

[Brockololly]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...
DA 3 will most likely come out in 2013 (2012 has already been ruled out and 2014 is probably a bit too long but still possible. If a 2014 release date meant the game would be really good then I wouldn't mind that being the release date.)

The other thing to consider with any future DA game is when the next round of consoles come out.  The Wii U is coming this holiday 2012 and most rumors seem to point to Microsoft's next Xbox coming probably late 2013. Placing any future DA game in 2014 would likely mean its on the next gen of consoles.

Yrkoon wrote...
2) With
one exception (and it was for a higher rated and higher selling game)
Bioware does not release DLC after the one year mark. And EA's fiscal
year ends in about 1 month (march).   Again, connect the dots.

You make a good point there too- when EA has their Q3 2012 earnings conference call this Wednesday, February 1st. They usually outline their future lineup for the coming fiscal year at these calls too- thats how we first heard about Dragon Age 2 back in February 2010, when it was outed as "Dragon Age Title TBA"

So if DA3 is coming out before the end of March 2013, we'll probably see something from EA on Wednesday.

[Wolf]

Yrkoon wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...

You have absolutely no statistics or numbers to make such assumptions. Stick to the facts please.

A few of us have been posting statistics and numbers since pretty much the beginning of this thread. You can ignore them, but don't pretend they're not there.

Connect the dots.

1) It's been months, and an entire holiday season, since the last DLC. And not a single word about another one has been uttered (by contrast, we were given hints about MoTA just a few weeks after Legacy was released. We were also given almost a whole  month of buildup/promotion for MoTA)
2) With one exception (and it was for a higher rated and higher selling game) Bioware does not release DLC after the one year mark. And EA's fiscal year ends in about 1 month (march).   Again, connect the dots.
3) The last we heard of anything future related regarding Dragon age, it was this and before that, it was the New York Comic Con presentation.  It's all about the next Dragon age. Not addons for the previous one. Also, pay special attention to the second one there. Laidlaw talks about the world map; and he hints at a new system for companion gear customization. ie.  all the stuff that cannot be done in a DLC/Expansion. He's Obviously talking about the Next Dragon age game.  He even goes so far as to tell the audience that he doesn't want to reveal too many spoilers.  If spoilers even exist  to BE held back,  then that  means they've already begun working on DA3, and the process is well underway.

Question:  Why would they do such a thing?  Why would two big shots at Bioware take up so much valuable public time at a game convention to talk about the NEXT dragon age instead of, say,  something more to marketing's relevancy window, like the Next DLC they're working on? Could it maybe be because they're NOT working on another DLC? Hmm? 

To clarify, they weren't talking about the NEXT DA game specifically. They said "what's next for Dragon Age". Now, I don't know where the hell your thinking process originates from, for you to state something like that, but... The panel was about what they had planned for the series as a whole, not DA III or II specifically, since they never confirmed if anything they mentioned was referring to the next DA, or DLC or whatever. They were awfully vague for that matter. 

Also, to answer your original question, I can see plenty of reasons for them to "hold back" content as it were. For one TOR only just released and at the time(and now, despite its success), I'm sure they wanted to divert as much attention as possible to a project that massive to ensure they had enough exposure for it to cover the development cost and ensure that they made a profit off of TOR.

Secondly, Mass Effect 3 is just around the corner, so they need lots of exposure and advertisement for that. 

You have to keep in mind that Bioware has multiple studios working on a bunch of different projects.

Excuses like "it's been too long" or "sales where less than Origins" are valid, but a bit irrelevant to the case in point (especially considering that about half of the people who bought DA:O never finished it, according to Bioware) .

If they brought out every single piece of content, news, announcements, etc at the same time there would be an overload of Bioware property being released, which in turn would cause them to lose money simply because there are other games (and not just necessarily games, mind you) that people want. We (at least the vast majority) only have a limited amount of money to spend. It would be counter productive to put out stuff that quickly.

Who knows? They may be working on an expansion that will be like a standalone game and using mechanics that were not present in DA II, or an update to allow said mechanics to be integrated with said future content and import/any other bugs still present.

We just don't have that much information to make assumptions like yours.

Modifié par Gaiden96, 30 janvier 2012 - 07:54 .

[Melca36]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

I think we're actually more likely to see a stand alone expansion than DLC.

Stand alone expansion would allow them to make a new exe... so they could try out some of the changes they've hinted at for DA3. They could wrap up Hawke's story, show off their new game mechanics, and put out a product that might interest people who didn't get into DA2.

I definitely think we will see one more DLC or a mini type expansion. 

I was one of those people who did not like some of the game play aspects in the original game and thought the DLC was actually better.

I just want to see a conclusion to Hawke's story as well as hints as what to expect for DA:3

The hardcore haters are just hoping nothing comes out so they can gloat.

[CuriousArtemis]

What I find amusing is that DA2 was slammed for being too hastily made.

Now that they are taking their time working on things, people are slamming them for taking too long, or using that as an excuse to claim nothing more is forthcoming.

Sometimes I feel the constant need to assure BW that I do love their games and that the world is not made up entirely of sour-faced haters.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 30 janvier 2012 - 08:32 .

[Wolf]

^
The haters must make their jobs seem like a nightmare at times.
Nothing is being put out because there are other projects being spearheaded by Bioware.
The same people who said DA II was hastily made (and it was) are now using the lack of announcements to justify no more content.

[Dubya75]

Patch? What for? Bugs? Correct me if I'm wrong, but WHAT BUGS?
We've also been discussing the likelihood of getting more DLC at length and I would say the chances are very slim.
People still holding out for this "big" DLC event may find themselves waiting forever.

It would make more sense to assume they have moved on to DA3.

[Dubya75]

motomotogirl wrote...

What I find amusing is that DA2 was slammed for being too hastily made.

Now that they are taking their time working on things, people are slamming them for taking too long, or using that as an excuse to claim nothing more is forthcoming.

Sometimes I feel the constant need to assure BW that I do love their games and that the world is not made up entirely of sour-faced haters.

Trust me, they are not going to make DLC based on the "love" they're getting on the forums from a handful of people.
They will instead base it on the market (they are in it to make money, savvy?).
There is only a limited window of opportunity to make DLC for any game, even if it was a wildly successful game. This is because people move on to newer and better games.
Let's face it, DA2 wasn't a great success in the realm of AAA games, so making more DLC for a relatively small number of fans just wouldn't make any business sense. This is also compounded by the fact they will have to spend a great deal of money to make something really special and even then, there is no guarantee it will sell.

The moment has passed for DA2.

Modifié par Dubya75, 30 janvier 2012 - 10:50 .

[Wolf]

Dubya75 wrote...

Patch? What for? Bugs? Correct me if I'm wrong, but WHAT BUGS?
We've also been discussing the likelihood of getting more DLC at length and I would say the chances are very slim.
People still holding out for this "big" DLC event may find themselves waiting forever.

It would make more sense to assume they have moved on to DA3.

Ah... Hello? Import bugs, quest-related bugs (Sketchy on the Details, Who Needs Rescuing?), DLC bugs. Don't talk if you don't know what the hell is being discussed.

[Melca36]

Dubya75 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

What I find amusing is that DA2 was slammed for being too hastily made.

Now that they are taking their time working on things, people are slamming them for taking too long, or using that as an excuse to claim nothing more is forthcoming.

Sometimes I feel the constant need to assure BW that I do love their games and that the world is not made up entirely of sour-faced haters.

Trust me, they are not going to make DLC based on the "love" they're getting on the forums from a handful of people.
They will instead base it on the market (they are in it to make money, savvy?).
There is only a limited window of opportunity to make DLC for any game, even if it was a wildly successful game. This is because people move on to newer and better games.
Let's face it, DA2 wasn't a great success in the realm of AAA games, so making more DLC for a relatively small number of fans just wouldn't make any business sense. This is also compounded by the fact they will have to spend a great deal of money to make something really special and even then, there is no guarantee it will sell.

The moment has passed for DA2.

LOL! Can't wait to see your reaction when they announce one more.


Demanding something now is not going to make it come sooner. Whats it going to take for you to be patient?

They said several times they would resolve Hawke's story and I have no doubt they will with one more.

[Melca36]

motomotogirl wrote...

What I find amusing is that DA2 was slammed for being too hastily made.

Now that they are taking their time working on things, people are slamming them for taking too long, or using that as an excuse to claim nothing more is forthcoming.

Sometimes I feel the constant need to assure BW that I do love their games and that the world is not made up entirely of sour-faced haters.

And these same people who claim to be marketing experts with their doom and gloom prognostications will be the first ones to complain when they do release something.

[Dubya75]

Melca36 wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

What I find amusing is that DA2 was slammed for being too hastily made.

Now that they are taking their time working on things, people are slamming them for taking too long, or using that as an excuse to claim nothing more is forthcoming.

Sometimes I feel the constant need to assure BW that I do love their games and that the world is not made up entirely of sour-faced haters.

Trust me, they are not going to make DLC based on the "love" they're getting on the forums from a handful of people.
They will instead base it on the market (they are in it to make money, savvy?).
There is only a limited window of opportunity to make DLC for any game, even if it was a wildly successful game. This is because people move on to newer and better games.
Let's face it, DA2 wasn't a great success in the realm of AAA games, so making more DLC for a relatively small number of fans just wouldn't make any business sense. This is also compounded by the fact they will have to spend a great deal of money to make something really special and even then, there is no guarantee it will sell.

The moment has passed for DA2.

LOL! Can't wait to see your reaction when they announce one more.


Demanding something now is not going to make it come sooner. Whats it going to take for you to be patient?

They said several times they would resolve Hawke's story and I have no doubt they will with one more.

Demanding? Where have I been demanding?

I agree with you, I would also love to see my reaction if they release more DLC. And I don't mind being corrected or looking like a fool either.
But alas, patience is not one of my strong points...

[Dubya75]

Gaiden96 wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Patch? What for? Bugs? Correct me if I'm wrong, but WHAT BUGS?
We've also been discussing the likelihood of getting more DLC at length and I would say the chances are very slim.
People still holding out for this "big" DLC event may find themselves waiting forever.

It would make more sense to assume they have moved on to DA3.

Ah... Hello? Import bugs, quest-related bugs (Sketchy on the Details, Who Needs Rescuing?), DLC bugs. Don't talk if you don't know what the hell is being discussed.

I know what is being discussed, thank you very much.
I have played the game and all the DLC multiple times and I have not come across any game breaking bugs. My Origins saves also imported without any problems.
So don't get all aggressive, take it easy!
I know it's your thread and all but if you can't handle people voicing their opinions (and disagreeing with you) then perhaps you shouldn't start discussions like these.

Modifié par Dubya75, 30 janvier 2012 - 11:42 .