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[darthnick427]

Bad King wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Tali & Garrus should've been left out to make room for 2 ME2-exclusive squadmates.

I agree with this.

As much as people might agree with this. these two characters have the largest fan base of anyone so it was to be expected they'd be squadmates again

[shepskisaac]

darthnick427 wrote...

As much as people might agree with this. these two characters have the largest fan base of anyone so it was to be expected they'd be squadmates again

I realize that, but their fans were already heavily satisfied in ME2. Not only they were perma squaddies, but also recieved romances fans were asking for. So don't you think it should've been someone else's turn this time? These 2 fanbases are not THAT big that they need to be satisfied over and over again at the expense of other fanbases, some of which are also very big.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 29 janvier 2012 - 06:45 .

[Shiro_the_Gambler]

BornFree87 wrote...

I would space both spoiler squadmates and replace them with anyone else.

I am partially with you.  For the first *spoiler squadmate* I am still on the fence.  I will wait and see how she is incorporated before making final judgements.

Perparing to rant...

The other *spoiler squadmate* though:  I have to question why he would be introduced.  Bioware created several contemporary alien species that would have been better.  Batarian, Hanar (or Drell), Elcor, or even Volus would have been a better idea, in my opinion.  All else fails, it would have been better to have a character with more story relevance (Miranda) or my own personal choice (Jack) for another biotic.  Instead, Bioware decided to give a character that species should have remained as background and story dressing.  Just hoping, he is DLC so I can avoid him if I can.  If not... spaced.

As an  addendum.  I am also a little miffed that my favorite biotic bonus power is tied to this character.

[Anthropophobic]

IsaacShep wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

As much as people might agree with this. these two characters have the largest fan base of anyone so it was to be expected they'd be squadmates again

I realize that, but their fans were already heavily satisfied in ME2.

No we weren't. Garrus had the least dialogue on the Normandy because he was originally designed to be acquired much later in the game--hence the calibrations meme. Furthermore, it would be a shame for the devs to exclude him in ME3, where they say they're recording much more squad banter and dialogue in general. It also isn't a matter of taking turns and sharing screen-time, either.

[shepskisaac]

Anthropophobic wrote...

No we weren't.

Yes they were. How much dialogues Wrex had huh? Not to mention the romance Garrus got just because fans were asking

Anthropophobic wrote...

It also isn't a matter of taking turns and sharing screen-time, either.

So what it is? "satisfy Tali & Garrus fans first & foremost" matter?

[slimgrin]

I commend Bioware for bringing back Ash and Kaiden, but the fact I don't get Samara or Zaeed back really sucks.

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 janvier 2012 - 07:15 .

[MordinKrios]

At last. I thought there weren't that may of us who were not happy with the squad.

Team Dextro = gone. No real reason to be in the squad at all, and surely in depth side missions with them (LotSB style) is enough.

Replace them with 2 ME2 exclusive characters (or new ones = Batarian/Female Alien) who have a reason to be in the squad. Miranda springs to mind, she actually should be in the squad.

Next up, Battlestar galatica. Squash her, squash her again and squash her again just to make sure. Replace with Wrex.

So for me, the squad could be.

Vega - Represents new players, but could be spiced up a bit. Less Jersey Shore.
Liara - Another I would get rid of to be honest.
VS - Makes actual sense to be in the squad, although not the biggest fan of either
Wrex
ME2 squadmate - Miranda would seem most sensible
ME2 squadmate - As we have soldier/biotic/solider or sentinel/ biotic combat/ bio I tech person would come in good. Legion would be nice.

[A. Lemon]

I would swap out Liara (As much as I like her) with Miranda, and Tali with Legion.

[fatalfeline]

What's the point of this thread? ME3's coming out in a little more than a month. It seems to me that wasting your time to complain about it will just make you more unnecessarily unhappy while you're playing the game.

Modifié par fatalfeline, 29 janvier 2012 - 07:03 .

[Silver77nz]

The ME3 squad should have been...

- VS Don't give a damn if stastics said only 20% saved Kaidan I'm female and I want him.
- Miranda
- Garrus
- Liara.
- Vega
- Tali
- Prothy

fatalfeline wrote...

What's the point of this thread?
ME3's coming out in a little more than a month. It seems to me that
wasting your time to complain about it will just make you more
unnecessarily unhappy while you're playing the game.

There will probably be another 20 of this exact same thread before the game comes out<_<

Modifié par Silverpearl1977, 29 janvier 2012 - 08:06 .

[Anthropophobic]

Wrex wasn't a squadmate in ME2. Wrex could have been dead by ME2. Considering the fact that it's obvious that resources were more limited during the development of ME2--they weren't riding on the success of a very mainstream, critically acclaimed game, but on ME1, which had just decent reception and modest sales--it made sense. Now the devs are probably more capable of bringing back characters who might be dead in some playthroughs. Furthermore, the devs do a lot of things just because the fans ask. What, do you think they should do precisely the opposite? Please bring back clunky shooting mechanics and frustrating vehicle driving sequences, Bioware!

Garrus and Tali were characters who got the best reception. It makes perfect sense for the devs to bring them back, if possible. If it means giving the tiny enclaves of Kaidan supporters a bit less--which it obviously doesn't, since the VS is coming back in ME3--then so be it.

To put things into perspective, ME1 had 20,000 lines of dialogue, ME2 had 25,000, and ME3 is going to have over 40,000. It would be a supreme offense for the devs to drop Garrus and Tali at this point--particularly Garrus, considering how little he had to say in ME2.

[Vapaa]

The squad should have been:

- Liara
- Tali
- Garrus
- Ash/Kaidan
- James
- EDI
- Prothy

[android654]

I still don't get the Jacob hatred. Out of all the new squaddies he's the easily most trusted. He's the only one who doesn't have a personal vendetta or motive, he's always honest and upfront about it, he's one of 4 people on the Normandy that's ex-Alliance (Shepard, Chakwas, and Jeff). Clearly if you were really int hat situation he would be the first person you'd pick to take with you on almost every mission because of the similarities i your pasts and his brutal honesty and integrity. He's possibly the most honorable of the crew (aside from Shepard) so I can't grasp the disdain people have towards him.

Is it because he's boring? If so I can think of 2 members in the ME3 roster that have proven to have the emotional depth of a shot glass yet they've been around for 3 games.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

android654 wrote...

I still don't get the Jacob hatred. Out of all the new squaddies he's the easily most trusted. He's the only one who doesn't have a personal vendetta or motive, he's always honest and upfront about it, he's one of 4 people on the Normandy that's ex-Alliance (Shepard, Chakwas, and Jeff). Clearly if you were really int hat situation he would be the first person you'd pick to take with you on almost every mission because of the similarities i your pasts and his brutal honesty and integrity. He's possibly the most honorable of the crew (aside from Shepard) so I can't grasp the disdain people have towards him.

Is it because he's boring? If so I can think of 2 members in the ME3 roster that have proven to have the emotional depth of a shot glass yet they've been around for 3 games.

Zaeed is ex-Alliance as well.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Actually, to be fair, I think most of the Cerberus crew might be ex-military. For sure, Gabby, Ken, Zaeed, Hadley, and the crewwoman in the mess hall are.

[BlueMagitek]

Let's see:

Replace Liara with Miranda; Liara is the Shadowbroker and should be handing out quests or information.

Replace Garrus with Zaeed. Garrus can lead his own squad and step out of Shepard's shadow.

Replace Tali with Kasumi. This one is mostly preference, but the Normandy has her own engineers; Tali can be used elsewhere.

Replace Spoiler 2 with Shiala.

Replace Spoiler 1 with Spoiler 2.

[Drinking Shepard]

IsaacShep wrote...

Tali & Garrus should've been left out to make room for 2 ME2-exclusive squadmates.

True. I'm about to overdose on this Garrus-Tali-Liara trio. Too much of them and not enough of other characters, for the lamest reasons sometimes.

[shepskisaac]

Anthropophobic wrote...

Now the devs are probably more capable of bringing back characters who might be dead in some playthroughs.

Yet they don't bring back anyone from ME2 as squadmates, only Tali & Garrus.

Anthropophobic wrote...

Furthermore, the devs do a lot of things just because the fans ask. What, do you think they should do precisely the opposite?

But they already DID it in ME2.

Anthropophobic wrote...
It would be a supreme offense for the devs to drop Garrus and Tali at this point--particularly Garrus, considering how little he had to say in ME2.

I cannot lol. Guess who had less to say in ME2 than Garrus? Everyone else from ME1, sans Tali of course. I mean seriously, a supreme offense to drop Tali & Garrus, particuallry Garrus? The most pampered character of this franchise?

[LadyofRivendell]

The only ones I don't really like are Garrus and Tali, but I guess they don't have anything better to do. I'd take out Tali, since she's apparently a Captain now in the Flotilla (?) and should have duties to attend to there, and replace her with Miranda (who could be a big help with Cerberus involvement). The rest of the squad, I actually like or agree with:

Kaidan: Missed this guy.
Liara: Makes sense.
Vega: He seems promising, and might add a touch of humor or lightheartedness to the situations.
Spoilermate #1: I loved her before, so adding her as a squadmate seems fun, she'll probably be the one I use the most aside from Kaidan.
Spoilermate #2: Cliche, but I'm curious to see where they'll go with this.

And this is coming from someone who didn't read the script.

[Anthropophobic]

They brought back Garrus and Tali because they've been fan favorites since ME1, and clearly, no one from ME2 was as well received as they were. If only the ME2 squaddies had been better characters.

The devs are going to continue doing what the fans ask for because we play the games, we know what works and what doesn't, we give them feedback, and they consider it for the next game. It's quite simple.

Garrus is hardly the "most pampered character" in ME. Liara is unkillable, the VS is romance-able from the start and is apparently getting a special role in ME3, despite how unlikable they were. Miranda was the toughest character to kill off in ME2, and because of the way the game was structured, she and Jacob were the only characters you ever saw in the debriefings consistently.

Modifié par Anthropophobic, 29 janvier 2012 - 07:33 .

[Funkcase]

What is the purpose of this thread? Bioware cant change anything now.

[shepskisaac]

Anthropophobic wrote...

They brought back Garrus and Tali because they've been fan favorites since ME1, and clearly, no one from ME2 was as well received as they were. If only the ME2 squaddies had been better characters.

Popularity does not equal quality. See: Britney Spears, McDonalds etc

[Ryzaki]

Drinking Shepard wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Tali & Garrus should've been left out to make room for 2 ME2-exclusive squadmates.

True. I'm about to overdose on this Garrus-Tali-Liara trio. Too much of them and not enough of other characters, for the lamest reasons sometimes.

This. I love myself some Garrus but this team dextro crap is getting on my last nerves.

They should've been cameos like every other killable squadmember in ME2.

[Hillbillyshep]

Anthropophobic wrote...

Hillbillyshep wrote...
-Jacob was the least used squadmate of ME2.
-Tali is Shepard´s only notable connection to the whole quarian-civilization.
-Garrus´s overall plot importance can be somewhat questioned, yet he has a permanent-status in all 3 games.
-Miranda´s demise was made hard to achieve in the Suicide Mission.
-Thane is most likely the representive of the Drell-race.
-Samara is Shepard´s connection to the Justicars.
-Jack has had a large redesign, which obviously implies at least a temporary squadmate-status.
-Liara became the SB in ME2, yet she is a permanent squadmate in ME3.
-According to BW´s staistics, only about 20% players played as a female Shepard in ME2 and the 80%, who played a male, very likely nuked Kaidan in their import, or started a default.

- Garrus was the most used, but you're still throwing him under the bus.

- Is that all?

- A character doesn't have to be directly related to the plot to be significant. Morality and decision-making are important themes of the series, and no one's personality or stories reflect that as much as Garrus's do. The other characters might have had to make difficult decisions, but they're all set in their ways, more or less.

- It would be a shame if the devs used game mechanics like this to determine who would be in the game and who wouldn't. If you got Garrus and Tali killed, it was your own fault.

- You could say the same thing about Garrus and the turians, but you don't. Thane doesn't have any position of power in any sort of Drell government. He's also an assassin, and not exactly the type to rally people to a specific cause, whereas Garrus is sort of a natural leader within the story by ME2. Plus, Thane is almost certainly close to death by now; Shepard managed to pull him away from retirement briefly for the Collector mission, but it would be rude to give him more work.

- Samara follows her code so strictly, she's almost like a robot. I doubt the justicars will care about the Reapers until they've reached asari space.

- k

- Ferron could easily take over her duties--and with minimal job training, considering he hangs out with Liara all the time once you've finished LotSB.

- If you're implying that Kaidan should be removed to make way for one of your favorites, while it wouldn't affect me personally because my FemShep virmired him, that's just absurd.

In ME1, Garrus is unsuccesfully investigating Saren and wants to join Shep´s crew, because he wants to bring justice to Saren. In ME2, he is vigilanting and suicide missioning the whole game.
It seems like he always has his own agenda before anyone elses. And he´s weak, unstable and suicidal.
Freon could easily take over Liara´s duties, but that would severely take away her importance.
I´m not implying that Kaidan should have been left out.

@fatalfeline This is BSN.
And besides, what else could we do, but complain and question the developer´s choices?

[AdmiralCheez]

IsaacShep wrote...

Popularity does not equal quality. See: Britney Spears, McDonalds etc

Don't know about you, but I found Tali and Garrus incredibly likable in ME1, sympathized with their struggles in ME2, and love how they've matured in ME3.  I thought they brought more depth to the story than Miranda, and more personality than Zaeed.