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[OtterD]

[quote]Hillbillyshep wrote...

[quote]OtterD wrote...



[quote]I don't think people liked Jack that much. A dev's pet project[/quote]

Jack isn't permanent squaddie. No one from  ME-2 is.
[/quote]

Tali and Garrus are.

And Jack´s status is definetely a wild card.

[/quote]
Sorry I meant "ME-2 - exclusive"
Once again: there was technic remarcs for permanent squadmates (like [username] do something) thing in script, Jack isn't there. I meantioned above who's are. So she's temporarty - top.[/quote]

Modifié par OtterD, 14 février 2012 - 06:10 .

[OtterD]

** double post, sorry ***

Modifié par OtterD, 14 février 2012 - 06:10 .

[Hillbillyshep]

[quote]OtterD wrote...

[quote]Hillbillyshep wrote...

[quote]OtterD wrote...



[quote]I don't think people liked Jack that much. A dev's pet project[/quote]

Jack isn't permanent squaddie. No one from  ME-2 is.
[/quote]

Tali and Garrus are.

And Jack´s status is definetely a wild card.

[/quote]
Sorry I meant "ME-2 - exclusive"
Once again: there was technic remarcs for permanent squadmates (like [username] do something) thing in script, Jack isn't there. I meantioned above who's are. So she's temporarty - top.[/quote]
[/quote]

Sorry for "nitpicking."
Once again; The script was already old when it was released and before and since the devs have improved it.
Also, they specifically said they would improve the squad, character interaction and content.
And there´s already atleast one whole mission, which they completely overhauled: Thane´s Mission

[OtterD]

[quote]Hillbillyshep wrote...

[quote]OtterD wrote...

[quote]Hillbillyshep wrote...

[quote]OtterD wrote...




[quote]I don't think people liked Jack that much. A dev's pet project[/quote]

Jack isn't permanent squaddie. No one from  ME-2 is.
[/quote]

Tali and Garrus are.

And Jack´s status is definetely a wild card.

[/quote]
Sorry I meant "ME-2 - exclusive"
Once again: there was technic remarcs for permanent squadmates (like [username] do something) thing in script, Jack isn't there. I meantioned above who's are. So she's temporarty - top.[/quote]
[/quote]

Sorry for "nitpicking."
Once again; The script was already old when it was released and before and since the devs have improved it.
Also, they specifically said they would improve the squad, character interaction and content.
And there´s already atleast one whole mission, which they completely overhauled: Thane´s Mission[/quote]

But his role still the same - NPC. So far trailers and stuff were almoust word-for-word with script.
So I think it's very doubtful something will change in final version in squad field.

[Hillbillyshep]

[quote]OtterD wrote...

[quote]Hillbillyshep wrote...

[quote]OtterD wrote...

[quote]Hillbillyshep wrote...

[quote]OtterD wrote...




[quote]I don't think people liked Jack that much. A dev's pet project[/quote]

Jack isn't permanent squaddie. No one from  ME-2 is.
[/quote]

Tali and Garrus are.

And Jack´s status is definetely a wild card.

[/quote]
Sorry I meant "ME-2 - exclusive"
Once again: there was technic remarcs for permanent squadmates (like [username] do something) thing in script, Jack isn't there. I meantioned above who's are. So she's temporarty - top.[/quote]
[/quote]

Sorry for "nitpicking."
Once again; The script was already old when it was released and before and since the devs have improved it.
Also, they specifically said they would improve the squad, character interaction and content.
And there´s already atleast one whole mission, which they completely overhauled: Thane´s Mission[/quote]

But his role still the same - NPC. So far trailers and stuff were almoust word-for-word with script.
So I think it's very doubtful something will change in final version in squad field.
[/quote]

Oh, everything´s possible.
They weren´t going to make Tali a squadmate, but due to the Talimancers´s fan demand they did.
I believe that enough fan demand from the ME2-fan base could have pressured them to give us another squaddie.

[saracen16]

Hillbillyshep wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

ME3's number of available squaddies is what it is because the developers were struggling between making a more story-intensive experience that comes with defending a galaxy at war as well as sufficient amount of characterization of individual characters. Realistically speaking, I doubt that more than 6 or 7 squaddies will be acceptable in that regard. ME2 sacrificed a lot from the main plot for the sake of the characters and that was fine. ME3 sacrificed the characters for the sake of the plot.

No.
BioWare could have easily had a balanced team by mixing the old squaddies with the new ME2- squaddies.
With possibly throwing in 1 or 2 new ones to keep the squad fresh.
But instead they went the most unjustified, illogical and unbalanced way ever.

Even if that was the case, many other fans are going to be frustrated. BioWare did not listen to the fans when they made the storyline, nor did they do that for ME3's squad members. They had a set story to follow and then deliver. Mass Effect is not played for the squad members. It's played for the story. The characters are just part of the plot in ME3, and they played an even bigger part in ME2 since you had to earn their loyalties.

Offcourse BioWrae couldn´t have had to put the whole ME2-squad in. Seriously. I can´t believe that some people are justifying the horrible squad-listing with and argument like that.

Like I said, many people will be frustrated. The story-relevant characters were kept for the ME3 squad. Most of the squad members in ME2 were there only for the sole reason of stopping the Collectors, after which they'd go about their merry ways killing, thieving, assassinating, looting, or doing whatever it is that tickles their fancies.

[AgitatedLemon]

saracen16 wrote...

Like I said, many people will be frustrated. The story-relevant characters were kept for the ME3 squad. Most of the squad members in ME2 were there only for the sole reason of stopping the Collectors, after which they'd go about their merry ways killing, thieving, assassinating, looting, or doing whatever it is that tickles their fancies.

Garrus, Tali, Vega, and *spoiler character* are story relevant?

[Ziggeh]

I want the characters with the best stories. Regardless of who has had a better story so far.

Don't get me wrong, if I like them it's a bonus, but I think you're much more likely to get quality by saying "Well these guys aren't done, and Dave has something new for her" than if your process is "welp, he's cool. Best come up with something there." I think that's a recipe for pulling stuff out of your ass.

[Commander_Adept]

Mechler wrote...
no sane man would romance jack

You've gotta be kidding me... 

Jack was the best written romance by far in the series.

[Hillbillyshep]

Commander_Adept wrote...

Mechler wrote...
no sane man would romance jack

You've gotta be kidding me... 

Jack was the best written romance by far in the series.

I have to agree on that one.
Ashley and Miranda have a decent romance arc, but Jack definetely tops.

[PrinceLionheart]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Like I said, many people will be frustrated. The story-relevant characters were kept for the ME3 squad. Most of the squad members in ME2 were there only for the sole reason of stopping the Collectors, after which they'd go about their merry ways killing, thieving, assassinating, looting, or doing whatever it is that tickles their fancies.

Garrus, Tali, Vega, and *spoiler character* are story relevant?

Tali definitely will be when it comes to the Quarian plot, but I doubt Garrus will be. Unless he steps up and leads his own troops, I think he'll just be an accessory and around because he's popular.

And Garrus is my favorite companion. Just putting this out there for the "Team Dextro" posters who hates any negative remarks about the characters. 

[PrinceLionheart]

Hillbillyshep wrote...

Commander_Adept wrote...

Mechler wrote...
no sane man would romance jack

You've gotta be kidding me... 

Jack was the best written romance by far in the series.

I have to agree on that one.
Ashley and Miranda have a decent romance arc, but Jack definetely tops.

Jack's romance was horribly paced. That and similar to how Liara refused to romance Feron, I think it's completely irresponsible for Shep to romance a woman as emotionally damaged as Jack.

[saracen16]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Like I said, many people will be frustrated. The story-relevant characters were kept for the ME3 squad. Most of the squad members in ME2 were there only for the sole reason of stopping the Collectors, after which they'd go about their merry ways killing, thieving, assassinating, looting, or doing whatever it is that tickles their fancies.

Garrus, Tali, Vega, and *spoiler character* are story relevant?

Actually, yes. Garrus was the one who investigated Saren and accompanied Shepard throughout his fight against him and Sovereign, and Tali was the one who not only triggered Saren's downfall with the evidence, but also was the first one to warn Shepard about the Reapers. Vega is relevant to ME3's story. The spoiler characters have relevance to both Cerberus and the Reapers.

[Hillbillyshep]

saracen16 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Like I said, many people will be frustrated. The story-relevant characters were kept for the ME3 squad. Most of the squad members in ME2 were there only for the sole reason of stopping the Collectors, after which they'd go about their merry ways killing, thieving, assassinating, looting, or doing whatever it is that tickles their fancies.

Garrus, Tali, Vega, and *spoiler character* are story relevant?

Actually, yes. Garrus was the one who investigated Saren and accompanied Shepard throughout his fight against him and Sovereign, and Tali was the one who not only triggered Saren's downfall with the evidence, but also was the first one to warn Shepard about the Reapers. Vega is relevant to ME3's story. The spoiler characters have relevance to both Cerberus and the Reapers.

Does this really matter in ME3?
Miranda had plot-relevance in ME2 and she still has. Actually even more now.

[Wynne]

Hillbillyshep wrote...

Ashley/Kaidan
James Vega
Liara T`Soni
Garrus
Tali
Jack
SPOILER
SPOILER

I'm happy with the organic spoiler squaddie, so very very happy, but I would've replaced the tin ****** with Legion in a damned heartbeat. He should've been unkillable. Seriously. 

I like Vega so far, I'm good with Garrus, Tali is... eh, she has some plot significance, Liara I liked better as the Shadow Broker but her Singularity is certainly useful, I want the VS around (BOTH OF THEM) if only so I can tell them off, I LOVE Jack... 

So while I want the others from ME2 back because it's weird and stupid that they all just suddenly disappear, it's just Tin ****** that I truly can't stand. They made a great character into the most unsettling squadmate and plotline possible. Why? Because obscure reference, disturbing humor, and creepy, sad, pathetic, bizarre romance for a beloved minor character everyone was hoping would get laid by an actual person! I am going to be squicked every second she's around just thinking of it. She will never be on my squad if I can help it, and she will certainly not be taken advantage of by some horny human who seems to not recognize that she was just born 5 seconds ago. It's practically pedophilia.

I have to hope they changed it after the leak hit and people kept marveling at the stupidity of it all. I have to hope that, because such a decision is not worthy of the demo I just played like 14 times in a row. 

[PrinceLionheart]

saracen16 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Like I said, many people will be frustrated. The story-relevant characters were kept for the ME3 squad. Most of the squad members in ME2 were there only for the sole reason of stopping the Collectors, after which they'd go about their merry ways killing, thieving, assassinating, looting, or doing whatever it is that tickles their fancies.

Garrus, Tali, Vega, and *spoiler character* are story relevant?

Actually, yes. Garrus was the one who investigated Saren and accompanied Shepard throughout his fight against him and Sovereign, and Tali was the one who not only triggered Saren's downfall with the evidence, but also was the first one to warn Shepard about the Reapers. Vega is relevant to ME3's story. The spoiler characters have relevance to both Cerberus and the Reapers.

Garrus arguably had less of a role in ME1 than any other Squadmate. It's rather telling too because you didn't even have to recruit him. He investigated Saren yeah, but he didn't find anything. He's litterally just there for the ride (and because he's sick of being on C-Sec). In ME2 he was even more disconnnected from the plot (but in this case, the only squadmates who were were Mordin and Legion).

I like the dude, but he's never been essential to the plot or even any of the major side stories. His only role has been to be Shepard's Wingman.

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 15 février 2012 - 03:54 .

[Collider]

If they made Legion unkillable, I would hope they'd make him very killable in ME3

[Hillbillyshep]

Collider wrote...

If they made Legion unkillable, I would hope they'd make him very killable in ME3

What?

***Spoilers****










Legion might not be lost completely, even if you lose him in the Suicide Mission.
Don´t know about selling him to Cerberus though...

[Collider]

I know.
I'm saying I'd like a particularly satisfying Legion death in ME3.

[AgitatedLemon]

saracen16 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Like I said, many people will be frustrated. The story-relevant characters were kept for the ME3 squad. Most of the squad members in ME2 were there only for the sole reason of stopping the Collectors, after which they'd go about their merry ways killing, thieving, assassinating, looting, or doing whatever it is that tickles their fancies.

Garrus, Tali, Vega, and *spoiler character* are story relevant?

Actually, yes. Garrus was the one who investigated Saren and accompanied Shepard throughout his fight against him and Sovereign, and Tali was the one who not only triggered Saren's downfall with the evidence, but also was the first one to warn Shepard about the Reapers. Vega is relevant to ME3's story. The spoiler characters have relevance to both Cerberus and the Reapers.

wut

Garrus had nothing on Saren. He was investigating, but he had nothing. Like I said, Tali's brief dance with relevance was the incriminating evidence against Saren. That doesn't automatically make her ZOMG SUPER DUPER IMPORTANT SHE NEEDS TO BE A SQUAD MEMBER. Vega is only relevant in the sense that he provides a new POV on the events of ME3. Little to do with the actual story. Spoiler character 1 has a fair bit of relevance, as he's the P______n, but the other spoiler character held relevance in ME2, and lost it in ME3.

Again, how are Garrus, Tali, Vega, and *SPOILER* important to the story again?

Just being with Shepard doesn't make Garrus all of a sudden relevant. I could replace him with Larry from Down the Street, and the story would be largely the same.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 15 février 2012 - 06:16 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Actually Tali is important for something but I won't spoil it.

[mechstone]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Actually Tali is important for something but I won't spoil it.

Important and part of the squad are two very different things. Tali should be involved with the quarian and the geth and only join shep after that conflict is over. For example mordin is very plot relevant but isn't part of the squad. To make him part of it would be a bad idea. I feel the same with Tali

[AgitatedLemon]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Actually Tali is important for something but I won't spoil it.

The only reason Tali has a taste of importance in ME3 is because of a contrivance in the writing.

Prior, ANY quarian politician can do her job (If she's dead in ME2, this *is* the case), possible even better.

[mechstone]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Actually Tali is important for something but I won't spoil it.

The only reason Tali has a taste of importance in ME3 is because of a contrivance in the writing.

Prior, ANY quarian politician can do her job (If she's dead in ME2, this *is* the case), possible even better.

Given Tali's murderous attitude towards the geth anything other than her trying to destroy the geth is kinda out of character

[AgitatedLemon]

mechstone wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Actually Tali is important for something but I won't spoil it.

The only reason Tali has a taste of importance in ME3 is because of a contrivance in the writing.

Prior, ANY quarian politician can do her job (If she's dead in ME2, this *is* the case), possible even better.

Given Tali's murderous attitude towards the geth anything other than her trying to destroy the geth is kinda out of character

Which is one reason I don't like Tali. She's incredibly one-sided when it comes to the geth. Scientifically, she's brilliant, a fair bit more so than 90% the galactic population. Sociologically and/or philosophically, she's borderline retarded.