**HUGE SPOILERS** The PRO-ME3 squad thread.
#126
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 02:05
I suppose it's the same for pretty much all other squadamates anyway.
I'm pleased to get Garrus,Tali and Ash back.
Not much a fan of Kaidan.I'm ok with Liara.
The prothean and EDI are sure to bring interesting stuff.
Vega is the one that will need to make his place in the squad justified.
#127
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 02:07
#128
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 03:00
spiros9110 wrote...
Wouldn't it seem a bit strange to have Prothy has a DLC character though, his whole character is a mystery and he's a freaking Prothean, that's a big deal IMO. He/She whatever seems like a big addition to the whole universe and it would be a shame to waste an opportunity with him as DLC, since not all people are able to purchase or acquire DLC.
Actually, I would find it strange if he was not DLC. His presence, at least in my opinion, would devalue two characters. If he is in the base game than why would we need a Prothean expert which leaves Liara out.
Admittedly, this would allow her to be the Shadow Broker full time, but she would not be a squad-mate. The second is Shepard. The Prothean devalues the Cipher portion of Shepard's character. At this point, Shepard is only a symbol to rally the universe together. This is all well and good, but I would have thought Bioware was going to bring back the Cipher. Now that could just be pure speculation since I have not read the leaks.
These are just my opinions, no need to go spreading it around.
#129
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 03:03
#130
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 03:04
Seriously? If you have Ashley alive - you'll have two squad mates that in BioWares own words needed to have more sexy.
Also - pretty confident that the VS will only be a cameo role for portion of the game - doubt they would have them available for the whole game as a perm-squad member.
The idea behind the squad make up - Excellent.
The execution looks to be severely lacking. Like they handed the task of integrating some of the characters into your squad to an intern.
Modifié par Icinix, 30 janvier 2012 - 03:06 .
#131
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 04:01
#132
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 04:27
Shiro_the_Gambler wrote...
Actually, I would find it strange if he was not DLC. His presence, at least in my opinion, would devalue two characters. If he is in the base game than why would we need a Prothean expert which leaves Liara out.
Admittedly, this would allow her to be the Shadow Broker full time, but she would not be a squad-mate. The second is Shepard. The Prothean devalues the Cipher portion of Shepard's character. At this point, Shepard is only a symbol to rally the universe together. This is all well and good, but I would have thought Bioware was going to bring back the Cipher. Now that could just be pure speculation since I have not read the leaks.
These are just my opinions, no need to go spreading it around.
Great point, I disagree with it a bit, but I understand what you're saying. Ah, I guess it comes down to how Bioware handles it.
#133
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 04:34
#134
Guest_lightsnow13_*
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 05:34
Guest_lightsnow13_*
I always thought there were still some protheans in cryo ~ was that not true? Or was there only one cryo stasis pod thing still working?
#135
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 05:41
Super excited for Garrus, Tali, Liara, Prothy, and Ash
I am curious about EDI and Vega. Vega will probably turn out to be my favorite human squadmate ever.
All in all I'm pleased but I'm sad the dream team of Brokarian, Brobot, Broffesor, Brogan, Brosassin and Brothean will never happen on one squad.
Modifié par darthnick427, 30 janvier 2012 - 05:42 .
#136
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 05:42
#137
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 08:48
Someone With Mass wrote...
Legion, Grunt and Samara do have something better to do.
After you're done with that conflict, Legion could have come back.
#138
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 08:55
Honestly I'm going to be disappointed if a lot of my previous squad members arent going to show up, but if there is a logical reason that makes sense and not just oh he had to go do this or that, then ill be happy. There are a certain few I NEED on my squad just because of how i've played the game in the past and who ive become attached to (not necessarily LI here)
#139
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 08:58
#140
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 09:01
Mesina2 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Legion, Grunt and Samara do have something better to do.
After you're done with that conflict, Legion could have come back.
Not in the majority of the outcomes.
#141
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 09:04
Vapaä wrote...
Anthropophobic wrote...
We already have Tali as an engineer.
Tali can die, EDI is an engineer (rumored skillset: incinerate, overload, defense matrix, decoy)
Given her body's purpose, I'd say that she's more of an infiltrator.
Though, it'll be a little difficult making the Infiltrator look different compared to the Engineer when we can give the squadmates any weapons now.
#142
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 09:04
Someone With Mass wrote...
Mesina2 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Legion, Grunt and Samara do have something better to do.
After you're done with that conflict, Legion could have come back.
Not in the majority of the outcomes.
I know.
WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYY?!
#143
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 09:15
Shiro_the_Gambler wrote...
Actually, I would find it strange if he was not DLC. His presence, at least in my opinion, would devalue two characters. If he is in the base game than why would we need a Prothean expert which leaves Liara out.
Admittedly, this would allow her to be the Shadow Broker full time, but she would not be a squad-mate.
These are just my opinions, no need to go spreading it around.
Disagree with this. Are you an expert on human culture? Could you relay all of what humanity has done to a depth that would leave people satisfied and knowing of your kind? Most likely not, in fact I doubt there is anyone who could store that much knowledge.
The Prothean isn't supposed to be all knowing and all seeing, he is merely a warrior or vanguard prepared by his kind in a last ditch attempt at revenge. He knows only of what has transpired in his life and his limited knowledge and only knows his purpose to defeat the reapers.
As long as they allow him to have actual dialogue (instead of Kasumi/Zaeed phrases), I will be quite satisfied to hear what he has to say.
#144
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 09:18
Blacklash93 wrote...
The only one I'm not terribly thrilled about is EDI. She was perfect as a disembodied, supportive AI and giving her a "sexy" body reeks of nothing but mindless fanservice. I'm not saying there's no potential, but on paper it just sounds dumb.
VS is great to have with. Definitely a big impact based off a previous choice.
Liara is nice to have with. I've always liked her, despite people going on about how overly treasured she is by the writers.
Tali and Garrus I'm absolutely fine with. Team Dextro has been there since the beginning and I'd love to have them aboard for the final mission. Garrus is bro and Tali, assuming she quits the crush, is cool little sister material.
Vega is awesome. 'Nuff said.
I don't understand what's so unbelievable about Prothy. Is it so far-fetched that one of the Protheans would put themselves in Stasis and live till the next cycle? We had hundreds of them in pods on Ilos. I also don't understand what's so important about the "mystery" of the Protheans. They simply advanced very quickly and found a way to give hope to the next cycle via a few of their science projects. There's nothing mystical about them.
The only one I'd miss is... Legion. Definitely. He was so interesting and insightful. I'm satisfied with his role in the story, but still.
Well, I was going to post something..but you already did for me. I agree on all counts.
#145
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 09:22
Someone With Mass wrote...
Given her body's purpose, I'd say that she's more of an infiltrator.
Well an "infiltration unit" and an "Infiltrator" is not the same, EDI's body was designed to melt into the crowd, likely for assassination or intel missions, where Infiltrator are just a class of fighters close to the operatives.
She may be infiltrator, but I highly doubt it, she's part of the "core squad" witch already has a "pure" biotic, a "pure" soldier....she'll likely fill the blank of the "pure" tech.
#146
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 09:32
Vapaä wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Given her body's purpose, I'd say that she's more of an infiltrator.
Well an "infiltration unit" and an "Infiltrator" is not the same, EDI's body was designed to melt into the crowd, likely for assassination or intel missions, where Infiltrator are just a class of fighters close to the operatives.
She may be infiltrator, but I highly doubt it, she's part of the "core squad" witch already has a "pure" biotic, a "pure" soldier....she'll likely fill the blank of the "pure" tech.
I guess that's true.
#147
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:11
AdmiralCheez wrote...
Had Wrex, Mordin, and Legion been on the squad, I would have pre-ordered the game twice.
It would have made sense to bring Miranda back if it weren't for what the rest of the squad can do. Miri could have provided inside intel about Cerberus, but EDI and Liara can both do that. She could have provided emotional support and loyalty towards Shepard, but we have Team Dextro + Liara for that. She could have been the "sexy smart woman in charge," but EDI, Liara, and Ash all fill that role. Her Overload/Warp double whammy would have been incredibly useful, but we've got Kaidan.
I'd be afraid that Miranda would be reduced to calibrations. As much as I (and many of her fans) will miss having her aboard, I much prefer her on her own, working independently to bring down Cerberus and... that other guy she's got a grudge against. She's a strong, capable woman finally doing what she thinks is right, on her own terms, under the command of no one.
Valid points on Miranda. Though personally i'd of much preferred her to be aboard the Normandy, after all you're fighting Cerberus as well and I think it would of fit her character. Sure, she is a strong, capable woman but throughout ME2 she does mellow somewhat and have faith in Shepard (whether she's your LI or not), that's something I think could of been worked on more in ME3, especially considering she's turned against Cerberus. Plus, I dont doubt she is the most popular LI and the idea of possibly having both your LI's from ME1 and ME2 sounds appealling to me, it could of caused fireworks and added a new dynamic to the atmosphere on the Normandy. That one gripe aside, i'm pretty happy with the squad overall, some characters more than others:
Vega: I like the idea of having a somewhat naive soldier who hasn't seen everything, it'll allow it to affect him in different ways it would the other characters. Plus the fact he has his own emotional turmoil due to his previous actions in the Alliance makes him interesting to see how he develops.
Ashley/Kaidan: Happy theyre both back, and like the fact that they are Spectres now. I'm not sure how it's going to play out or whether it'll even be touched on but I think it's interesting that they are now either Shepard's equal in rank or superior. Couple that with their obvious dislike for Shepard's previous actions with Cerberus could lead to a reasonable amount of beef with Shepard, which would be nice to see.
Prothy: Nothing to dislike about him, his whole premise just sounds cool. Having someone who is clearly superior in every way to everyone working for/with you is a promising scenario, especially considering as far as we know he's not some super nice, super happy being. He's seen it all and could quite easily look down on every single character, which is an interesting dynamic.
EDI: I'll admit, I wasn't too keen on the idea of her having a body. If it's a choice I don't doubt in some cases i'd leave her as the ship where she's somewhat of a mother figure rather than bringing her directly into the fight. If it's not a choice then her relationship with Joker could be... interesting. Provided it's done maturely and not merely fanservice the whole concept of building a relationship with a being that isn't 'real' could play out quite nicely.
Liara: Would of prefered her to still be the Shadow Broker, she isn't a soldier so there's no real reason why she should be on the frontlines, especially considering the intel she could give you as the SB could be much more valuable. That said, she was there at the beginning so it's fitting she's there at the end.
Tali: Another there and the beginning so fitting she's there at the end character. I get that it made sense for her to be aboard the Normandy considering she could of been exiled from the Flotilla in ME2, but I doubt that'll get touched on very much at all considering not many people would of done that with all the 'fans' she has. I'm hoping she has some more character development in ME3, but there's nothing that I can forsee being interesting to me so she'll very much be a bench warmer.
Garrus: Same as Liara and Tali. Nothing really to say about him at all as from what I can see he doesn't bring anything to the table on the character perspective.
Ok, that is actually somewhat negative on the Liara, Tali and Garrus front, but in truth I don't mind that they're in the squad, I just don't actively care either. That said, there arent many characters from ME2 (or even Wrex) whom would make sense to take their place considering the key ones all have places where they are of much more importance and the ones that aren't key (like Thane) make even less sense to be aboard than the original crew.
All in all i'm pretty happy with the squad.
Edit: I just realised that was a bit of an essay. Props to anyone that takes the time to read all that. I've also just realised I should really proof read.
Modifié par DayusMakhina, 30 janvier 2012 - 10:14 .
#148
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 11:23
AdmiralCheez wrote...
"Baaawww, Team Dextro is stupid and overrated! They add nothing to the story and are only on the squad because they're popular!"
Not my favorites too, but having any squadmates to stand by Shep through the trillogy is a must. And they are not THAT bad.
"Baaawww, Liara should be the Shadow Broker doing Shadow Brokery things, not on the squad! Bioware keeps forcing her on us!"
As much as I hate Liara (mainly to the ME2 events, comics and an anime figurine atrosity), I admit, that her presence is fully justified, and I have nothing against the old ME1 Liara on board.
"Baaawww, Kaidan and Ashley are so boring! It's so stupid that they're Spectres! I wish I could've nuked 'em both!"
^^
"Baaawww, James Vega is a Call of Gears of Jersey Steroids rip-off character! He's so generic and stupid-looking! Bioware should have given his slot to an old character!"
I'm not judging him untill I'll have a talk with him (unless femshep will jump on him like on Jacob in every possible line)
"Baaawww, the Protheans are supposed to be dead! Having a live one ruins their mistique and breaks my suspension of disbelief!"
do not agree, I believed in Prothy the day Arcian started the thread, and I'm excited about him as much as I was excited about Legion. God, I must know about the purpose of those disco balls.
"Baaawww, giving EDI a body was so stupid! She was so cool as the ship! This whole sexbot thing is just stupid pandering to the mouthbreathers!"
her design is pretty much facepalmish. As mentioned before - the whole "GOTTA BE SEXY" approach is something that killed about half of Miranda (and about a quarter of Samara) for me. EDIs interaction with Joker in ME2 is hillarious though, so my hopes are still high (as for her personality).
But seriously - is no one a bit offended, that women squaddies wear spacethongs, rather than space armor? When I look at EDIs design, I have Borat's swimsuit/ some kinky lingerie in mind. That said, I like the top-page, second row middle concept the best, though I am still to see the purpose of robotic ******. Other than GOTTA B SEXY.
Also, the blurb is offensive.
"Baaawww, my favorite character isn't on the squad! My favorite character could have added more to the story! Bioware is showing favoritism towards the ME1 fans!"
Well, you know what? Even though my personal favorites (Wrex, Mordin, and Legion) didn't make the cut, even though I think the EDI thing is stupid, I actually like the new squad, and I like the old squadmates in their new roles (for the most part).
Glad, that we have the same favorites, although it is quite the common set. The Bio's algorithm for fanservice is peculiar to say the least - ommit the characters done right, make them dead by default, or sellable, or very prone to dying (Mordin).
And I know I can't be the only one.
You're not.
#149
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:54
*I define squadmates as someone you take into combat such as Garrus or Ashley, and crew members as the people you can't take into combat, such as Joker, Chakwas, and Kelly Chambers
#150
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 03:31





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