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[Brockololly]

Ok, so I just finished my second playthrough and got around to doing the Arl of Foreshadow quest. I'll post the codex entry  here:
Books to pursue for future endeavors.
Lost countenance: Ferelden to Orlesian Phrase Book
-Must not offend the potential landlords
Raising Spirits: Offsprings and the Fade
-Terrible two's indeed!
Forest Fall: Truth and Legend in the Search for Arlathan
-Survivors? poppycock!
The Origin of Theses: Knowing more than Everyone without Looking Like a Jackass
-Never get the time to read this. Maybe there's a stage play?

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SO, what are we to make of this???

1. Are the writers just yanking our chain, knowing that many of us are looking for clues as to where they are taking the DA franchise in any sequels/expansions ( hence the "Knowing more than Everyone without Looking Like a Jackass" line? Yeah I'm looking at you Mr. Gaider and company...)?

2. The first book, Lost Countenance: Fereldan to Orlesian Phrase Book; This obviously hints that a sequel/expansion would move to Orlais. Seems reasonable- the "must not offend potential landlords" bit is interesting, maybe instead of going to Orlais, the Orleasians invade Ferelden again (thus making them your landlords)?

3. "Raising Spirits: Offspring and the Fade" Ok this has all sorts of possibilities- Obviously Morrigan and Old God Baby comes to mind via offspring ( the terrible two's bit- referring to the sequel itself (DA2), the age of Morrigan's Old God Baby in a sequel, or something else?), but what about the Fade? Could it be that raising spirits not only refers to the transfer of the Old God spirit, but maybe a continuation for the PC if they sacrificed themselvesand thus continue in DA2 by travelling through the Fade and back to the real world?

4. Forest Fall: Truth and Legend in the Search for Arlathan- I'm not as well versed in the Elven codex lore, but this would seem to hint at possibly searching for Arlathan in a sequel or at least uncovering more ancient Elven secrets. Arl Foreshadow mentions survivors of Arlathan, is he referring to immortal elves here?  

Putting all of this together into my wild conspiracy theory of a sequel leads me to think, that either Orlais invades or we go to Orlais, Morrigan and Old God baby return, and we get some immortal elf action. Oh and the writers know where they are going with all this but will call us all crazy anyway...

But this also got me thinking: In reading the codex info on the Elven gods, does anyone think they seem similar to the Old Gods? I mean Fen'Harel, The Dread Wolf, could be a substitute for the Maker, who then betrays the other elven gods and imprisones them, not unlike the Maker imprisoning the Old Gods. So if Morrigan wants to restore an Old God, maybe this links up with the Elven gods as well, which might link up with Arlathan. I don't think we have seen the end of Flemeth, and her modus operandi was essentially retaining long life through her daughters (if that is to be believed), so maybe this links in to the immortality of the elves if Arlathan somehow?

Mr. Gaider, you know this is exactly what you have in store for a sequel you just won't say  because you don't want to look like a jackass, right?

[Shady314]

Lord Foreshadow proved to be quite accurate in BG1. He predicted both BG2 and NWN.

[Myzzrimm]

Shady314 wrote...

Lord Foreshadow proved to be quite accurate in BG1. He predicted both BG2 and NWN.

Oh, how I do so love Bioware. I'm sure it's accurate. But open enough to let our minds wander.

[xYOSSARIANx]

It sounds like the PC is going to Orlais to find his 2 year old child. Possibly his or Alistair's and Morrigan's.



But and it's a big but. DO:A gave a proper conclusions to all possible PC endings. I kind of get the feeling that while a new DA game might appear it's not going to be like Mass Effects where the PC is the same. I'm dead for a start, I'd need the Maker to bring me back to life just to start the game.

[screwoffreg]

xYOSSARIANx wrote...

It sounds like the PC is going to Orlais to find his 2 year old child. Possibly his or Alistair's and Morrigan's.

But and it's a big but. DO:A gave a proper conclusions to all possible PC endings. I kind of get the feeling that while a new DA game might appear it's not going to be like Mass Effects where the PC is the same. I'm dead for a start, I'd need the Maker to bring me back to life just to start the game.

Well, in ME 2 if your character dies, the developer has said that Shepherd will not continue to ME 3.  So it seems Bioware isn't above implementing a strong permadeath feature.

[Medivan]

I honestly hope we get to see more of Tevinter in the next one, by the sound of them they were essentially Rome. Had at one point one of the largest empires, lost it all, are seen as vastly corrupt, and to top it all off.....the blight ORIGINATED from the mages there.

[Gilead26]

screwoffreg wrote...

xYOSSARIANx wrote...

It sounds like the PC is going to Orlais to find his 2 year old child. Possibly his or Alistair's and Morrigan's.

But and it's a big but. DO:A gave a proper conclusions to all possible PC endings. I kind of get the feeling that while a new DA game might appear it's not going to be like Mass Effects where the PC is the same. I'm dead for a start, I'd need the Maker to bring me back to life just to start the game.

Well, in ME 2 if your character dies, the developer has said that Shepherd will not continue to ME 3.  So it seems Bioware isn't above implementing a strong permadeath feature.

That's not entirely true.  Even if your Shepherd dies in ME 2 you still play "A" Shepherd in ME 3 just not YOUR Shepherd.

[Myzzrimm]

Gilead26 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

xYOSSARIANx wrote...

It sounds like the PC is going to Orlais to find his 2 year old child. Possibly his or Alistair's and Morrigan's.

But and it's a big but. DO:A gave a proper conclusions to all possible PC endings. I kind of get the feeling that while a new DA game might appear it's not going to be like Mass Effects where the PC is the same. I'm dead for a start, I'd need the Maker to bring me back to life just to start the game.

Well, in ME 2 if your character dies, the developer has said that Shepherd will not continue to ME 3.  So it seems Bioware isn't above implementing a strong permadeath feature.

That's not entirely true.  Even if your Shepherd dies in ME 2 you still play "A" Shepherd in ME 3 just not YOUR Shepherd.

Now you're just arguing semantics. If YOUR shepherd dies, then for all intents and purposes, Shepherd dies. 

[Ghrelt]

Thank you Brockololly for posting this. More fodder for my overactive imagination!

[Tankenminnet]

Myzzrimm wrote...

Gilead26 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

xYOSSARIANx wrote...

It sounds like the PC is going to Orlais to find his 2 year old child. Possibly his or Alistair's and Morrigan's.

But and it's a big but. DO:A gave a proper conclusions to all possible PC endings. I kind of get the feeling that while a new DA game might appear it's not going to be like Mass Effects where the PC is the same. I'm dead for a start, I'd need the Maker to bring me back to life just to start the game.

Well, in ME 2 if your character dies, the developer has said that Shepherd will not continue to ME 3.  So it seems Bioware isn't above implementing a strong permadeath feature.

That's not entirely true.  Even if your Shepherd dies in ME 2 you still play "A" Shepherd in ME 3 just not YOUR Shepherd.

Now you're just arguing semantics. If YOUR shepherd dies, then for all intents and purposes, Shepherd dies. 

I disagree, since no Shepherd actually disappears from the universe. Now if Captain Major Boss Sheepherder replaced him instead, that'd be more of a permadeath.

[The Angry One]

I love how people fall for developer hype.

5 bucks says this life or death decision for Shepard will occur at the end of the game, like, you know, Dragon Age, and be ignored in ME3.

[Ghrelt]

I second Gaider's request that you be renamed "The Obnoxious One".

Modifié par Ellythe, 23 novembre 2009 - 10:51 .

[Brockololly]

Medivan wrote...

I honestly hope we get to see more of Tevinter in the next one, by the sound of them they were essentially Rome. Had at one point one of the largest empires, lost it all, are seen as vastly corrupt, and to top it all off.....the blight ORIGINATED from the mages there.

Yeah, it seems Tevinter ties in very closely with the Old Gods, and if Morrigan has Old God Baby, well then it wouldn't be too far fetched for the writers to throw Tevinter in as well, especially given the fact that if we are still dealing with darkspawn, the Tevinters basically created the blight.  The Arl of Foreshadow's mention of Arlathan connects with the Tevinters as well, since it was rumored that they had a hand in the downfall of the immortal elves (or so the codex says)

Tevinter could tie into Morrigan's character development potentially as well: Morrigan seeks "power" seemingly above all else, and views "blood magic" as something not to be feared as is evidenced by her chat with the PC during the ritual:
"PC: Just what sort of ritual is this?
Morrigan: It is old magic, from a time before the circle of Magi was created. Some might call it blood magic, but that is but a name. There is far more to fear in this world than names." 

Yet it seems that the hubris and lust for power of the Tevinters got the best of them, and their dabbling in "blood magic" turned into an obsession which ultimately led to their downfall. Maybe Morrigan needs to learn a little humility, and could learn from the errors of the Tevinter mages?

Speculate away!

Modifié par Brockololly, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:31 .

[The Angry One]

Yes I'm obnoxious because I say things people don't want to hear.

I'm such a bad person.

[screwoffreg]

I already know what happens. Leilana and Morrigan fall in love and run away together, leaving you, whether a male or female PC, completely alone. You wander the world, broken and lost but your life cursed with immortality after finding the elves. The world changes, but you never do...a living example of a broken heart leading to broken humanity.

[MandatoryDenial1]

I think the Orlais to find your child angle is probably the best idea I have seen for the sequel yet. Just one thing to add. If there is a sequel I bet leilana is in it as well for those of us who died with her as the romance option. In the end the game essentially states that she leaves abruptly on a vision that your returning.

[Malsumis]

The Angry One wrote...

I love how people fall for developer hype.
5 bucks says this life or death decision for Shepard will occur at the end of the game, like, you know, Dragon Age, and be ignored in ME3.

Of course it will be ignored in ME3. ME3 would be about the character that made the right choices and survived.

[Erik Mcvay]

i wouldnt mind plot in arlathan i lke the immortal elf lore

[Colloquiallism]

Agree, the next expansion is surely set in Orlais. Morrigan was last seen in the Frostback mountains traveling west... the only area west of Ferelden is Orlais. Also, if you die, doesn't Morrigan show up at the Empress' court in Orlais?

[archonambroseus]

The Angry One wrote...

Yes I'm obnoxious because I say things people don't want to hear.
I'm such a bad person.

Actually, you're obnoxious because you have no idea what you're talking about but act like you do.  I guess you missed the part where BioWare explicitly stated that if your Shepard dies in ME2, it isn't a last-minute decision and in fact a good portion of the game will build up to it so that the player and everyone in-game will know that a bloodbath is about the only possible outcome, and that furthermore, he/she will stay dead in the following game.

But aside from that, yeah it'll probably just be some last-minute pittance thrown in last minute without any real impact on the ME universe.

[JamesX]

Did Bioware say there is a cannon ending?



Because if there is going to be cannon then Dark Ritual Achievement would have to be it. Since it leaves the most open-ends, and almost everyone lives.

[Reiella]

Thing to remember about foreshadow references is they tend to be grossly wrong, except on the broad strokes [BG1->BG2 was pretty much right about "Amn" and the reference to Neverwinter].

I wouldn't count on much with the Foreshadow text beyond being in Orlais, if that .

[Saurel]

xYOSSARIANx wrote...

It sounds like the PC is going to Orlais to find his 2 year old child. Possibly his or Alistair's and Morrigan's.

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I want to be a Templar hunting them down mu hahahhaha. And then have the PA comic play out.

[Vanatos]

Next sequel in Orlais

Your child and something to do with the fade

You discover hidden/lost true elves

Sounds pretty good.

Modifié par Vanatos, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:02 .

[IronVanguard]

Don't think I know this quest.... where is it, again?