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[eifel_105]

Wow...now I have way too much to consider with the speculations you have posted. I can feel my brain already starting to fry. O.o



All I know is I'm hoping it takes place in Orlais cause I really want to see fancy buildings that make me feel like a slob....and I'm tired of the smell of "wet dog".

[The Angry One]

archonambroseus wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yes I'm obnoxious because I say things people don't want to hear.
I'm such a bad person.

Actually, you're obnoxious because you have no idea what you're talking about but act like you do.  I guess you missed the part where BioWare explicitly stated that if your Shepard dies in ME2, it isn't a last-minute decision and in fact a good portion of the game will build up to it so that the player and everyone in-game will know that a bloodbath is about the only possible outcome, and that furthermore, he/she will stay dead in the following game.

But aside from that, yeah it'll probably just be some last-minute pittance thrown in last minute without any real impact on the ME universe.

Hence the term "developer hype".

[ComTrav]

People keep referring to ME2 as an example even though we have no idea how your decisions carry over. For all we know Wrex just shows up in the first five minutes and says, "I'm really glad you didn't kill me. Unlike, say, the Rachni Queen, Kaidin Alenko, and the Council!" (I have a lot of confidence in Bioware and I'm sure it'll be better then that, but let's not assume that having decisions carry over from one game to another is technically easy...)



It's worth noting that they (supposedly) have 2 years of DLC to deal with all this. Orlais seems a logical place for "big DLC" because it's referenced so much in game. (Although the French accent was charming in Ferelden, I wonder if playing a whole zone of it might get old...) On the other hand, I could see it as a sequel just because it's state in game that it's a long way to Orlais (and if you could go there within the timespan of DAO, you could conceivably get help from the Orlais Gray Wardens.)

[SeanMurphy2]

The foreshadow quest may have been completed and locked down early in the year. So these could be some very early thoughts arising from how the game ends. Since then the writers could have thought of something better or entirely different.



I think Orlais is a likely place for a sequel. Morrigan was the face of the game and a memorable character. It would be good for her to be involved. The writers will have to think of some epic storyline hook to match the first game.



I think it would be better to have a brand new character and create new origins relevent to Orlais. It has more impact than some Elf/Dwarf/Human from Ferelden traveling to Orlais.

[xYOSSARIANx]

MandatoryDenial1 wrote...

I think the Orlais to find your child angle is probably the best idea I have seen for the sequel yet. Just one thing to add. If there is a sequel I bet leilana is in it as well for those of us who died with her as the romance option. In the end the game essentially states that she leaves abruptly on a vision that your returning.

Good point, even though I'm dead, it's implied she is about to see me again. I assumed it meant she was going to where I was (heaven/fade/whatever), maybe it means the Maker is sending me back to stop Morrigan and her plans for the 'old god' 

[tkaz85]

Um...I completely missed this quest?

[Ilkholdens]

Another 2 things I thought worth considering when thinking about future possible plots:

1. I think we never learn what became of the original mage lords who (supposedly) tainted the Maker's city. Might be they're still around, somewhere in the Deep Roads, waiting for a player character to slay them for some xp and loot.



2. The Tevinter prophetess in the stone statue in the basement of the mage tower, who said "she'd endure in this form until the Maker returns to light their fires again". This is pretty ambiguous of course, but from the baffled reaction of the characters who heard this and mysterious stone statues who have been around for quite a while probably knowing their history, I'd say that the chantry's story about how things went about back then don't quite reflect the truth.



There's also the fact that it was a pretty **** move by the maker to actually loose the blight upon humanity and the archdemons become the way they are "after" they are found by darkspawn and then tainted. This has probably been mentioned a dozen times over already, but with the forum search functions disabled, I'm not up to date on what topics were already discussed.

[tkaz85]

If I recall correctly the Mages who entered the tower were corrupted by their own impurity and became darkspawn, and then spread their taint to others.

[mrao]

tkaz85 wrote...

If I recall correctly the Mages who entered the tower were corrupted by their own impurity and became darkspawn, and then spread their taint to others.

Which is what you get from the Chantry. They are not an unbiased source. Not that they are an evil conspiracy or anything, just something to ponder.

[archonambroseus]

Ilkholdens wrote...

There's also the fact that it was a pretty **** move by the maker to actually loose the blight upon humanity and the archdemons become the way they are "after" they are found by darkspawn and then tainted. This has probably been mentioned a dozen times over already, but with the forum search functions disabled, I'm not up to date on what topics were already discussed.

I thought that it wasn't actually the Maker sending them back, but more of the mages "falling" after having brought sin to the Maker's realm (and themselves).  Could be wrong though.

[Vicious]

Right, the Chantry is full of #%$#. It's not their fault really they give fairly accurate reports of events as they happen, but there is dogma and even their scholars can't escape it.

We have no idea what Tevinter's version of the story is, or at least their originals tory.

Now to ponder: the Demon in the elven orphanage in Denerim plainly states there was never a Maker nor a Golden City. Obviously not an unbiased source itself but imagine it's right.

However Andraste's ashes are quite obviously magical and her Guardian is obviously otherworldy.

Now consider that there are good spirits [whatever] and bad spirits. BOTH spirits try to mimic the physical world in some way, and attach themselves to emotions, like a spirit of Hope [Wynne] or a demon of Vengeance. [Flemeth] So who's to say the Guardian and perhaps Andraste herself weren't simply possessed by good spirits rather than Demons?

That said, I suspect we will find many answers among the ancient elves.

Modifié par Vicious, 24 novembre 2009 - 03:00 .

[MFCell]

Whilst the semantics of what actually caused the mages to become the first darkspawn are probably not important, I think several things here are worth further discussion;

The chantry could be wrong, heavily biased, hiding important information, or flat out lying.

The Original Tevinter Mages could indeed be still waiting to be stopped and their evil ended...(loots collected) ...

The Maker himself is under heavy question of his ability to do his job correctly.

New classes for Orlais sounds awesome, but more importantly, Ferelden Origins lose a lot of meaning in Orlais.

Morrigan is obviously returning, if those foreshadows hold any real value.

Modifié par MFCell, 24 novembre 2009 - 03:09 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...

I love how people fall for developer hype.
5 bucks says this life or death decision for Shepard will occur at the end of the game, like, you know, Dragon Age, and be ignored in ME3.

Or maybe Bioware can surprise us epicly by making this "death ending" the transformation into a cybernetic reaper agent, a la Saren
The halloween poster kinda of hints at it....or maybe it's wishful thinking.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 novembre 2009 - 03:07 .

[lavosslayer]

I don't think this stuff will be in a sequel game. I think it would probably be expansion pack DLC for the current game. Apparently there is a 2 year life cycle on DLC for DA:O, I wouldn't be surprised if they add huge expansion packs to the game and sell them for say $20-$30 a piece.

[IronVanguard]

Really though, anyone want to point out the Arl of foreshadow for us?

[Time4Tiddy]

Arl Foreshadow's note seems to imply three things:



DA2 will be set in Orlais.

DA2 will involve the god baby.

DA2 will at some point include the ancient Elven city of Arlathlan.



My theory is that Dragon Age: Origins actually refers to the "origin" of the half human, half divine baby that Morrigan is carrying. The full Dragon Age will be the story of the baby, with this game being the set up, the next game being the coming of age, and a final game resolving the clash between the monotheist religion of the maker with the ancient religion of the elves/pre-blighted old gods represented by this new baby.



There are still two old gods hibernating who have not yet been corrupted, Mystery and Night. And now Beauty has potentially been redeemed through this new child. Interesting that these are the least violent/evil sounding of the seven.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

One thing that struck me when I read the "Terrible Two's" comment, sure it could be referring to a sequel, but what if Morrigan got something she wasn't expecting, like say, Twins; and we end up with 'les enfant terribles'. Set the game 30 years in future and have Cam Clarke voicing one of the twins and David Hayter the other

[SphereofSilence]

Ilkholdens wrote...

2. The Tevinter prophetess in the stone statue in the basement of the mage tower, who said "she'd endure in this form until the Maker returns to light their fires again". This is pretty ambiguous of course, but from the baffled reaction of the characters who heard this and mysterious stone statues who have been around for quite a while probably knowing their history, I'd say that the chantry's story about how things went about back then don't quite reflect the truth.

This sounds interesting. What's your interpretation on the Chantry's story? What do you think is the truth? 

I'm not sure what it means by 'Maker returns to light their fires again.' Whose fires?

[SphereofSilence]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Arl Foreshadow's note seems to imply three things:

DA2 will be set in Orlais.
DA2 will involve the god baby.
DA2 will at some point include the ancient Elven city of Arlathlan.

My theory is that Dragon Age: Origins actually refers to the "origin" of the half human, half divine baby that Morrigan is carrying. The full Dragon Age will be the story of the baby, with this game being the set up, the next game being the coming of age, and a final game resolving the clash between the monotheist religion of the maker with the ancient religion of the elves/pre-blighted old gods represented by this new baby.

There are still two old gods hibernating who have not yet been corrupted, Mystery and Night. And now Beauty has potentially been redeemed through this new child. Interesting that these are the least violent/evil sounding of the seven.

I'd say it probably involves the true Elves of Arlathan, rather than visiting Arlathan itself. Arlathan itself is further away then Tevinter Imperium. 

It might be your theory is true. 'Origins' does not just refer to the six origin stories, I'm sure they are double or even triple meanings to it, like Mass Effect. This also reminds me of Battlestar Galactica - where the half-human/half cyclon baby held tremendous symbolic and survival implications to both the humans and cylons. Seeing that David Gaider mentioning before in an interview that he liked the series, the theory might not be too far fetched. 

[Maconbar]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

One thing that struck me when I read the "Terrible Two's" comment, sure it could be referring to a sequel, but what if Morrigan got something she wasn't expecting, like say, Twins; and we end up with 'les enfant terribles'. Set the game 30 years in future and have Cam Clarke voicing one of the twins and David Hayter the other

Morrigan gives birth to twins. The PC takes and then hides the twins from her. One is raised by Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru ....

[Vicious]

archonambroseus wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yes I'm obnoxious because I say things people don't want to hear.
I'm such a bad person.

Actually, you're obnoxious because you have no idea what you're talking about but act like you do.

ROFL

[Koralis]

The Angry One wrote...

I love how people fall for developer hype.
5 bucks says this life or death decision for Shepard will occur at the end of the game, like, you know, Dragon Age, and be ignored in ME3.

I'll take the bet.  It'll happen at the end of the game, sure. In some backgrounds we know that Shepherd's mom is military... an entire military family isn't out of the question.  Dollars-to-Donuts if you die in ME2 it'll be your brother/sister in ME3 seeking revenge. 

[mousestalker]

DA2: The Quest for Swimming Horses

-or-

DA2: Master of the Amulet, consisting of three parts: The Brotherhood of the Amulet, The Three Castles and the Emperor Comes Back.

[Koralis]

xYOSSARIANx wrote...

MandatoryDenial1 wrote...

I think the Orlais to find your child angle is probably the best idea I have seen for the sequel yet. Just one thing to add. If there is a sequel I bet leilana is in it as well for those of us who died with her as the romance option. In the end the game essentially states that she leaves abruptly on a vision that your returning.

Good point, even though I'm dead, it's implied she is about to see me again. I assumed it meant she was going to where I was (heaven/fade/whatever), maybe it means the Maker is sending me back to stop Morrigan and her plans for the 'old god' 

If you die and journey into the fade and beyond, who is to say that Morrigan and her God-child can't bring you back?   After all, a blood mage can cross the veil with just the power from 1 life.  Morrigan has the power of an Old God available!

"Raising Spirits" is the title of the book.  Pretty suggestive I'd say if you go for the double-meaning.

[TheMadCat]

lavosslayer wrote...

I don't think this stuff will be in a sequel game. I think it would probably be expansion pack DLC for the current game. Apparently there is a 2 year life cycle on DLC for DA:O, I wouldn't be surprised if they add huge expansion packs to the game and sell them for say $20-$30 a piece.

This is what I would expect as well, an expansion rather then a full blown sequel dealing with the child. Since it's only logical that this would take place rather shortly after the fall of the Archdemon, 5 years or so, and would be of prime interest for the PC considering you know Morrigan and she did mention her plan to you, a child bearing the essence of a tainted God would be high on a Grey Warden's interest list I'm sure. It would also allow for a cleaner ending so to speak, allow two or maybe three somewhat similar endings to make it easier when you usher in the true sequel. All endings left plenty of room and even hinted at a return, including the ending where you died.

Let the expansion finish this charatcers story, tie up all loose ends, give it a cleaner ending, and answer any remaining questions and let the next game usher in a new story with a new cast. Either way though I think it's rather obvious this PC's story isn't quite done.