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[Ulicus]

Assuming she finds some way to have the Archbaby if you sacrificed yourself....

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

TheMadCat wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

I don't think this stuff will be in a sequel game. I think it would probably be expansion pack DLC for the current game. Apparently there is a 2 year life cycle on DLC for DA:O, I wouldn't be surprised if they add huge expansion packs to the game and sell them for say $20-$30 a piece.

This is what I would expect as well, an expansion rather then a full blown sequel dealing with the child. Since it's only logical that this would take place rather shortly after the fall of the Archdemon, 5 years or so, and would be of prime interest for the PC considering you know Morrigan and she did mention her plan to you, a child bearing the essence of a tainted God would be high on a Grey Warden's interest list I'm sure. It would also allow for a cleaner ending so to speak, allow two or maybe three somewhat similar endings to make it easier when you usher in the true sequel. All endings left plenty of room and even hinted at a return, including the ending where you died.

Let the expansion finish this charatcers story, tie up all loose ends, give it a cleaner ending, and answer any remaining questions and let the next game usher in a new story with a new cast. Either way though I think it's rather obvious this PC's story isn't quite done.

Unless of course they refused the ritual in which case they are dead.

I myself can't see them doing a proper 'post-ep' expansion that takes place AFTER the final battle. I reckon if anyone is wanting things like that for their 'alive' characters they would need to do that for themself or wait for one of the toolset modders to do one.

I can see them doing a sequel to the game that is 'post ep' after the final battle, but I reckon it will be with mostly a new cast apart from a few possible cameos including Morrigan either with/without character.

[GammaRayJim]

They might be betting that with 6 origins and several different endings that we would choose to go through the "dark ritual" with Morrigan at least once, so then at least one of our characters would be available to continue on with.

[TheMadCat]

Unless of course they refused the ritual in which case they are dead.



I myself can't see them doing a proper 'post-ep' expansion that takes place AFTER the final battle. I reckon if anyone is wanting things like that for their 'alive' characters they would need to do that for themself or wait for one of the toolset modders to do one.



I can see them doing a sequel to the game that is 'post ep' after the final battle, but I reckon it will be with mostly a new cast apart from a few possible cameos including Morrigan either with/without character.

As said, even a return from the dead was somewhat hinted at.



"Some say the maker came to her in a vision again that night. Smiling, tears in her eyes, she told a maid she would see her love again at last."



Obviously up for serious interpretation but you can feel the foreshadowing there. Resurrection has been done in past RPG's and can be done very well so it's not not completely impossible to carry on the story even if the PC selected to sacrifice himself. Weather or not they actually go that route, time will tell. But they did leave themselves plenty of wiggle room which does lead me to believe the possibility is there. I'm simply pointing out the possibility is there and the devs/writers have even hinted at it.

[Bullets McDeath]

That line could just as easily refer to Leliana killing herself, though. Anyway, I personally think there will be a Baby Mamas 2: Morrigan Gone Wild expansion, specifically because there is so much plot hanging and I doubt the sequel will have anything to do with it. Well, more like I hope that it wouldn't.

[TheMadCat]

Which is exactly why I said it's left to serious interpretation. She could have killed herself, seen her death in battle coming, gone into battle with the purpose of dying, she could be a complete nutjob overcome with grief. But when a writer leaves such things up to such a wide interpretation, it usually means it should be looked at more then face value, especially when most other epilogues were so much more conclusive and specific.



It's breathing room, if they continue and bring your PC back from death there is your loophole. If your PC stays dead well they never actually claimed he would return.

[SursamajorII]

Suppose DA2 (assuming it's a full sequel) is set a generation later and the PC *is* Morrigan's child? The new PC could still start from one of several different origin stories and then find out about his/her real heritage partway through (cf. KOTOR), then have to decide what to do about it.

[Bullets McDeath]

That would only work if they no longer allow you to play dwarves or elves, though.

[TheMadCat]

outlaworacle wrote...

That would only work if they no longer allow you to play dwarves or elves, though.

Why is that?

[Brass_Buckles]

TheMadCat wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

That would only work if they no longer allow you to play dwarves or elves, though.

Why is that?

From what I understand, elf + human does not equal half-elf.  Human-elf relations result in human children.  I'm assuming this means human + dwarf relations result in the same.  Haven't read the books yet, so not sure.

[Bullets McDeath]

Well, because if you are playing the Old God, you are the child of Morrigan and either the PC, Alistair or Loghain. Obviously, Alistair and Loghain are human. Even if the PC is an elf or a dwarf, the baby would be human. Well, I think the lore allows for slight possiblities of half dwarves but we've never seen any. Either way, it severely cuts down on the Origin varieties and would essentially force every character to be human (or MAYBE a half-dwarf... yeah). I really doubt it is going to happen.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 20 décembre 2009 - 07:02 .

[TheMadCat]

Damn, sorry about that thought you were talking about my post. I do agree with you though there, I find it fairly difficult to imagine playing as the child itself simply because it leaves a rather limited choice in character creation based on what we know in terms of genetics. This is why I say if they do the child story have it as an expansion that continues the original game, just a few years later. Doing it as a full blown sequel on this child just seems like it would create such a mess unless they they go a canonical route, and I think most would prefer that not be the case. Or simply let the story die here, but I don't realistically see that happening.

[AiyanaLindari]

IronVanguard wrote...

Really though, anyone want to point out the Arl of foreshadow for us?

During the Mage Circle quest there is a Summoning Science quest in the library area. After you have completed the quest, repeat all of the steps in the quest, except you only touch the summoning font once in the beginning and you do not touch any of the flames. Then you go into the central circular room and you'll find a summoning flame on the left behind the bookcases. Save you game here. Then click on the summoning flame with a character who can pickpocket. A man will emerge, Arl Foreshadow. Pickpocket him quickly before he disappears and you should get the document being discussed here.

Modifié par AiyanaLindari, 20 décembre 2009 - 07:21 .

[Nokturnal Lex]

If they can make morrigan's child become the main antagonist it would be pretty cool. Aka make him/her (screw it I'm calling him/her "it" from now on) half-dwarf, half-elf or full on human. Have it age insanely quick because it has the blood of an old god flowing through it. I just hope they don't make it human no matter what because Morrigan gave birth to it. (Kinda ruins it if you were a dwarf and had sex with her at the end)

I could see them forcing the baby to be human though, afterall your parents never changed in the backstories. (Kinda pissed me off I couldn't make an African American dwarf called Mini Mr.T, both parents were white... kinda ruined it for me)

But hopefully even though it was born of the archdemon I'd hope there were something other then darkspawn at it's command. Sure there could still be some, but darkspawn are boring we need something more exciting.

Modifié par Nokturnal Lex, 20 décembre 2009 - 07:29 .

[Curlain]

A Beowulf (in terms of the film, not the original poem) kind of story (with a dragon-human child turning up later on) with hints of Arthurian legend (particularly if the father was Alistair) could be interesting, but only as a optional DLC as it would only work with some characters would made certain choices at the end of the game.



I think maybe they should create a series of large scale DLCs that follow on from a variety of different endings (like having different origins to start the game) to play out our PC's ending (though of course if you PC died it might not be able to cater to that, unless it allows a story in the Fade to take place).



But that would need allot of work, some maybe instead they could somehow work the different endings as the basis for a number of different starts with an hour or so of playthrough that function as the 6 origins do in the current game

[TheMadCat]

Or they could simply replace the origins with choices on the various endings if they continue on with the same character. It essentially functions the same way, you have your intro based on what you selected and along your journey certain responses and situations are acknowledged based on what you selected, just as it is now.

[SursamajorII]

Yeah, outlaworacle is right about all those half-race issues with the PC being the child. Oh well, it was a cool idea. I guess the running theme here is that, whatever they do for a sequel, there are going to be a ton of variables that will have to be either taken into account or ignored.

[Brockololly]

I guess whatever shape a true sequel will look like story wise will depend a lot on what any expansion does or does not cover. The big loose end from DAO seems to be Morrigan and Gaider has said that Morrigan's story isn't done yet- but to what extent, we don't know. So maybe she will only be a minor player or maybe she could be a major character in any future games.
My main hope is that if Morrigan is still present in sequels, that we can still play as the DAO PC, assuming we did the ritual. Regardless of whatever Morrigan is doing is "good" or "bad" I want my PC to have to deal with the consequences, not some new PC who has no connection to Morrigan.
But like others have said, they could have multiple origins based on how DAO ended: they could have you continue as the DAO PC who did the ritual (or had Alistair or Loghain do it), they could use some Fade magic stuff (maybe like Wynne's friendly fade spirit) to resurrect the DAO PC if they sacrificed themself, or they could let you just start as a new character if you didn't do the ritual and sacrificed yourself. That way everyone is happy- maybe except the developers cause that is probably a ton of work.

Modifié par Brockololly, 20 décembre 2009 - 10:05 .

[Time4Tiddy]

It's also possible the Morrigan's baby would play an Alistair type role in the second game. By that I mean a required party member you practically start with who is present for the whole game. Maybe even a primary romance option. For example, the game is set 20+ years after end of DAO in an Orlesian court. You are in the court for some reason (child of servant, noble child, visiting dignitary's child, etc. - see already multiple origins) when all hell breaks loose and you + Morrigan's grown child escape together, are imprisoned together, get trapped in the Fade together, w/e. The Orlesian court would serve as a sort of Ostagar to the second game introducing how you meet Morrigan's child and why you would care to ally with him/her. This also allows for Morrigan to be in a short portion of the early part of the game, then be killed off or otherwise disappear so as not to be a major character.

My concept in short:
Morrigan's role in DA2 is similar to Duncan's in DAO
Morrigan's baby role in DA2 is similar to Alistair's in DAO
PC in DA2 is a completely new character with new origin unrelated to DAO

The only elements from DAO that would carry over intact would be that Morrigan had a half-divine baby with... someone.  And I would bet they'd leave it totally open to allow for as many DAO endings as possible to have possibly happened.

I'm still convinced that the redemption of the old gods (Morrigan's endgame?) and the salvation of the elven peoples would be a massive story that would require much more than an expansion.

Modifié par Time4Tiddy, 20 décembre 2009 - 11:54 .

[TheMadCat]

I'm still convinced that the redemption of the old gods (Morrigan's
endgame?) and the salvation of the elven peoples would be a massive
story that would require much more than an expansion.

I disagree, I think an expansion MotB length would be plenty enough to conclude the story of Morrigan's ritual/child, especially if you recycle the same PC and a few companions. The main campaign in DA:O really isn't all that long, it's the hundred some sidequests most of which force you to change location that add so much length to the game and it tell's it's story very well. Do a massive cut back on the sidequests and travel and I think you could fit a great full-length story in an expansion without to much trouble.