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[mybudgee]

ROCK that beat jam masta jay!!!

[Icinix]

DayusMakhina wrote...

Icinix wrote...

mybudgee wrote...

Anyone who powers up their copy of ME3 on March 6th with anything more than a smile, an open mind and crossed fingers is an ungrateful toad. They reap what they sow, unfortunately

This open mind argument is another one of those arguments you see come up a lot these days.

If a game is in a series of games, or a follow on story in someway. The gamer has a right to expect certain things.

You don't pay a season members pass to your favourite sport club to go in with an open mind for each game, you go in expecting them to win.

Same here, you don't buy or even pre-order a game expecting a totally different experience to what you've had previously or expect radical changes, you pre-order and buy it because you expect it to follow on in some way to the previous releases.

You remain open minded about new releases, exisiting franchises have standards and expectations to measure up to.

The gamer doesn't have a right to expect the franchise to stagnate to appease them though. Numerous "oldschool" people here continually champion ME1 and chastise ME2 because of the fact it wasn't exactly the same as ME1. BioWare would of been stupid to make a game centred around those people considering the success of ME2, yet that's essentially still what part of the "oldschool" group apparently want. Every company has a right to develop their product further, else it's met with derision.

As for the choices discussion, it's somewhat naive to expect wholesale changes across 3 games, isn't all that viable. That said, that doesn't really matter, what does matter is that your character has an effect on the game world to further immersion. That doesn't need to be wholesale changes to someone else's experience, it just needs to be little things like a change in atmosphere an the like, or running into characters you've already dealt with in the past (Kirrahe for a non spoiler example). Hell, ME2 managed that on the Citadel an i'm confident BW can manage it with ME3. At the same time though, I do expect my decisions across ME3 to matter far, far more considering it's the endpoint so there are no variables to consider after it. 

Stagnate? Who said anything about stagnating? ME1 was very unique and brought a very interesting style of game to the market. Funnily enough with the exception of a few big name games last year, since 2007 the whole game industry has been increasingly called stagnant.  Just because you don't like something, doesn't automatically make it a stagnate gameplay mechanic.

What most players who you're calling 'oldschool' people actually want, is an expansion on the ideas and concepts that ME1 begun. They don't want a carbon copy of ME1, they want more than the generic shooter mechanics that ME2 decided was a better path - and arguable, those plain jane shooter mechanics we've seen a thousand times would be more of a concern for stagnation than any evolution of ME1 elements.

More and more games are introducing role playing elements in their mechanics, ME2 looked to strip them away.  ME3 is looking to re-introduce them, and appeasing the 'oldschool' gamers AND the emerging market trend crying out for more depth.

[hardcoregmr]

I think what the IGN article fails to take into account is that the ME universe so far has been built around the Commander Shepard experience. ME3 will be the last game in that experience but Bioware has stated that the universe will continue. What I think that means is that, the decisions Shepard is making will ripple throughout Shepard's journey, but some of the big one's will have lasting effect on the universe and it is those decisions that will define the experience. You let the first council die, I wouldn't expect the Asari, Turians, and Salarians to welcome your arrival asking for aid for your homeworld. Kill off the Rachni, you have just lost access to some heavy hitting footsoldiers. Turn the Collector base over to Cerberus, expect those cerberus agents attacking you to be packing some extra fire power. Side too much with the aliens, then expect humans to be extra critical of your every action. Get the picture! Things like whether you chose Kaiden or Ashley, whether you (shot/killed) Wrex, if certain squadmates didn't survive the suicide mission, these will effect the individual Shepard but may not have the same impact across the universe. Even the Wrex paradox is resolved if seen this way, (in ME2 Wrex is very hostile and aggressive to you if you sided against him in ME1) they downgrade Kill Wrex to shot Wrex and his redundant regeneration saves him. He will not likely join you for 3 if you followed that path. He and other Krogan may even be hostile to Shepard, he may convince Grunt (newest Urdnot Solider) to leave your party. there are hundreds of possiblities to impact the player for those individual decisions that proved to be hurtful to your overall cause. In effect, Bioware will continue to tell the overall story, but as the final battle appoaches for Commander Shepard the big decisions will effect the story, but the small ones will effect gameplay.  

[Thessair]

Yuqi wrote...

I liked DA2, and I was around for the original donkey kong 0.o
I'm not worried *shrugs*

Right there with you, buddy.

In fact, I replay DA2 more than DA:O and I enjoy the use of thermal clips so apparently I am some sort of a terrible aberration. 

<_<

[Pee Jae]

Off topic, but... FF7 is old school? Try the original. Recently, I played the demo for FF13-2. As a long time fan of the series, I hate it. Which is not to say it isn't good. It is. It's beautiful, the paradigm system is again tough, but manageable. It's more in line with the older games than its predecessor. I hope it does well.  It's just not for me. Old school doesn't necessarily mean d-bag.

On topic, I think we're all a little too worried and jumping the gun here. Play the game first. Then, come here and complain about it.

[HTTP 404]

what bioware is doing with mass effect has never been done before, carrying over decisions over a course of three games. some of us complain that it isn't enough and that bioware isn't delivering but we have no other game to measure it against. so quit complaining.....

[nitefyre410]

N7Raider wrote...

why old school fans are worried? Old school fans **** about literally everything, just look at Final Fantasy, those old school fans who pleasure themselves to images of Cloud and Sephiroth would still chastise Square Enix even if Final Fantasy XV was Final Fantasy VII w/ different character designs and updated graphics. These "old school" fans have entitlement issues and a superiority complex all because they've been fans longer and have this deluded idea they know good game design and story telling all because they've been fans longer.

  


This all of it..

the problem with most old school fans is that they look at things through the rose colored glasses of nostaliga and fail to see that some of things that love so much were not as good as they thought.     

t_skwerl wrote...

Off topic, but... FF7 is old school? Try the original. Recently, I played the demo for FF13-2. As a long time fan of the series, I hate it. Which is not to say it isn't good. It is. It's beautiful, the paradigm system is again tough, but manageable. It's more in line with the older games than its predecessor. I hope it does well.  It's just not for me. Old school doesn't necessarily mean d-bag.

On topic, I think we're all a little too worried and jumping the gun here. Play the game first. Then, come here and complain about it. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Off Topic: Unfortunately, most old school fans don't have your same level of rational  nor do they understand the  sqaure enix and Capcom are one of the only the   Japanese big boys that  have  realized that Japanese game design has become stagnate especially in the RPG arena. This is of course not to say that Western designed RPG has it issue... because I swear to all that is  holy  if I see one more brown grey drab world  generic Stock   Lord of Rings world #52 again come a from  Western Developer I will scream.     I would love too a fantasy set in a modern setting which is why I like Persona so much or something along the lines of Hellboy. 


On Topic: You are correct lets see how it plays out. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 30 janvier 2012 - 03:57 .

[Mister Mida]

Seriously? B!tching about how a game that's barely five years old is better than a game that's two years old is considered old school these days?

[BatmanPWNS]

It's gonna rule and the mako sucks so that's a poor reason.

[ZLurps]

Terror_K wrote...

My main concerns boil down to the fact that BioWare seem more concerned about making ME3 appeal to potential new fans than about making those already aboard happy and making a game designed for them. And that has almost always produced nothing but bad things for a game series. DA2 is one clear example of this. I've read a fair amount of positive things, but almost everything they've actually shown me in videos makes the whole thing look horrible. Not to mention they seem to be wasting their time adding things that just don't need to be added in the third part of a trilogy, IMO. It all still seems very "dudebro" and "style over substance" to me given what they've shown.

For me BioWare looking for expanding their customer base makes sense. People who belong in gen-x for example have much less time for gaming, careers, familes, mortgages that takes our focus from PC or console games.

I'm all for customers to use their wallet and vote with it which kind of produts they like to see in the market but I don't have anything against seeing someone making profit either. I think I'm going to stay out from EA products after ME3, I don't think I really belong to the group which franchise is intented to and there are some other reasons irrelevant to this discussions.

In the end, times go on and maybe we could consider going with the times too, look for other games or other things all together for entertainment.

Modifié par ZLurps, 30 janvier 2012 - 09:11 .

[HTTP 404]

^^ truth to this. let your wallet speak for itself. There may be a time when I am no longer a bioware fan depending on the direction they go. And I don't mean that in a bad way, video game companies come and go and some change direction, hardly anything stays the same. Change is difficult and when change happens we shouldn't externalize it and blame others (bioware) but instead look to ourselves and if bioware is producing a product to your dissatisfaction there are other video games out there to check out and be fans of.

[AtreiyaN7]

Too bad? You can't reasonably expect them to accommodate every single possible outcome and still have a coherent story at a certain point with all the branching that can happen. And at the end of the day, it's their story and their creation, so whatever creative decisions have to be made I'm fine with - even if it overwrites my canon.

[BillsVengenace]

Can someone point me in the direction of this "stick to your principles" thing people are referencing?

[nitefyre410]

BillsVengenace wrote...

Can someone point me in the direction of this "stick to your principles" thing people are referencing?

 


Down two blocks and around from the corner from  Being controlled by coroprate  overlords,  across the street from  pandering to "Mouth Breather" fan base.  in  the basement of Writing when it was fun, next to file cabnit marked my inner child.  

[nelly21]

I've been around since the BG/Fallout/Torment days and I have no problem with the direction they're going. Innovation is fun.

[King Minos]

nelly21 wrote...

I've been around since the BG/Fallout/Torment days and I have no problem with the direction they're going. Innovation is fun.

Until it ruins a game. Not fun at all.

I expect the worst. Part of me wants this to succeed. The other part wants this to fall face first.

I keep thinking this game is going to turn out ****.

[eqzitara]

HiroVoid wrote...

Alpha Protocol did a good job at all its choices within its single game.

*Applauds* You made it through the whole game?!

[TheOtherTheoG]

HiroVoid wrote...

Alpha Protocol did a good job at all its choices within its single game.

Probably the game's only redeeming factor, honestly, it was awful.

[KotorEffect3]

King Minos wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

I've been around since the BG/Fallout/Torment days and I have no problem with the direction they're going. Innovation is fun.

Until it ruins a game. Not fun at all.

I expect the worst. Part of me wants this to succeed. The other part wants this to fall face first.

I keep thinking this game is going to turn out ****.

I will never understand the mindset of people that condemen a game before it has even come out especially when the said game has tried to address their concerns they had about the second game.  ME 3 will be a great game and most likely the best of the series but no it won't be an ME 1 clone, get over it.

[DarthCaine]

starmine76 wrote...

Considering that ME3 is said to have upwards of 3,000 story variables, I think you don't need to worry.

They said the same BS for ME2. In reality it was like 30

[HiroVoid]

TheOtherTheoG wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Alpha Protocol did a good job at all its choices within its single game.

Probably the game's only redeeming factor, honestly, it was awful.

Surprisingly, I only remember running into one bug.  I suppose different builds could have more problems though.

[King Minos]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

I've been around since the BG/Fallout/Torment days and I have no problem with the direction they're going. Innovation is fun.

Until it ruins a game. Not fun at all.

I expect the worst. Part of me wants this to succeed. The other part wants this to fall face first.

I keep thinking this game is going to turn out ****.

I will never understand the mindset of people that condemen a game before it has even come out especially when the said game has tried to address their concerns they had about the second game.  ME 3 will be a great game and most likely the best of the series but no it won't be an ME 1 clone, get over it.

The action direction it is taking along with bending over for the new guys. Personally, i feel they are more important than keeping the original fans happy. Along with the leaks that sound **** and of course multiplayer being integrated (yes i am still butthurt).

I don't know, i just feel very pessimistic about this game. I can't explain it but it's there alright and it is giving me major doubts.

I just hate games that fall into this trend now, every game is doing this. Make the game simple and more shooter/explosions just to attract the absent minded gamers. I play games for the story and so far what the leaks suggest. This story is going to be ****** ****ing poor. The Rachni for god sake and Cerberus, a child could write better.

That's how i feel.

[KotorEffect3]

DarthCaine wrote...

starmine76 wrote...

Considering that ME3 is said to have upwards of 3,000 story variables, I think you don't need to worry.

They said the same BS for ME2. In reality it was like 30

Anyone that uses the "but ME2" argument doesn't understand how trilogies work.  Most of the choices made even back in ME 1 were meant to come full circle in ME 3.  It doesn't make sense that they would put that stuff in the middle chapter not to mention it would have created way too many variables from a development standpoint to create more branching paths for ME 3 to have to deal with.  ME 2 had to keep thems reigned in tighter.  Oh and don't even think of posting more leaked spoilers DC,  I am still pissed off about that crap you pulled the other day.

[KotorEffect3]

King Minos wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

I've been around since the BG/Fallout/Torment days and I have no problem with the direction they're going. Innovation is fun.

Until it ruins a game. Not fun at all.

I expect the worst. Part of me wants this to succeed. The other part wants this to fall face first.

I keep thinking this game is going to turn out ****.

I will never understand the mindset of people that condemen a game before it has even come out especially when the said game has tried to address their concerns they had about the second game.  ME 3 will be a great game and most likely the best of the series but no it won't be an ME 1 clone, get over it.

The action direction it is taking along with bending over for the new guys. Personally, i feel they are more important than keeping the original fans happy. Along with the leaks that sound **** and of course multiplayer being integrated (yes i am still butthurt).

I don't know, i just feel very pessimistic about this game. I can't explain it but it's there alright and it is giving me major doubts.

I just hate games that fall into this trend now, every game is doing this. Make the game simple and more shooter/explosions just to attract the absent minded gamers. I play games for the story and so far what the leaks suggest. This story is going to be ****** ****ing poor. The Rachni for god sake and Cerberus, a child could write better.

That's how i feel.

You do realize that action and story do not have to be mutualy exclusive.  Besides what do you think you would have thought of ME 1's story if you had read the script before you played the game?  Sometimes you need context.  Besides it is your fault you read the leak now isn't it?