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LadyDrusilla

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It is exactly what your argument amounts too. You consider her appearance a negative just because she is attractive and showing some skin, the implication being that smart, professional women can't or shouldn't do that.

You claim you can't judge yet but that is exactly what you are doing, her appearance is already a negative regrdless of how well the character may be written or how well the VA performs.

I don't think what she is wearing is sexy, it just isn't at all different from how millions of women dress every damnd day.

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LadyDrusilla wrote...

Oh, nice, we're back at the 'smart female character can't be attractive' nonsense again.


Strawman. No one said that, not even close.

Although I have to say, there is more to being sexy than boobs and skimpy clothes. Lots more. TONS more actually.



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Millions of women dress that way? Really?

I must live in an oddball sort of town then. Because no one I have seen has worn anything THAT revealing, at least not in public. Then again, I am not sure why someone would wear a swimsuit/dress/tanktop amalgation in public. Seems an odd thing to do.

And no LadyDrusilla, my argument is not based around the fact that she looks attractive. In fact my argument is based around the fact of bioware TRYING to make her look attractive, and in my opinion failing at all but attempting to appeal to the basest instincts.

You are also misinterpreting my words. I said I couldn't judge HER CHARACTER (as I know very little of her so far), I can, and have judged her appearance as bioware has taken on a policy of the iconic look, in which a character looks matches who they are and what they are supposed to be.

I have not once, nor even gotten close to saying anything to the effect of smart women being incapable of being attractive. You are putting words in my mouth, and are making arguments out of something that just isn't there, and frankly I think you must have some sort of agenda or preconception to force such an argument in the first place.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 02 février 2012 - 08:27 .


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LadyDrusilla

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In that case I apologise, it seemed your post was another one of those saying the character couldn't be taken seriously as a character/reporter because of her appearance. My only agenda or preconception is extreme annoyance with people claiming that various females in the ME series are too attractive to be taken seriously, the implication being that a smart/strong/profesisonal woman shouldn't make herself look attractive and/or that attractive women can't be smart or strong.

As to clothing, try nearly anywhere in Britain in what we charmingly refer to as 'summer' as you will see women wearing clothing far more revealing than that. Not counting beachwear obviously.

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LadyDrusilla wrote...

In that case I apologise, it seemed your post was another one of those saying the character couldn't be taken seriously as a character/reporter because of her appearance. My only agenda or preconception is extreme annoyance with people claiming that various females in the ME series are too attractive to be taken seriously, the implication being that a smart/strong/profesisonal woman shouldn't make herself look attractive and/or that attractive women can't be smart or strong.

As to clothing, try nearly anywhere in Britain in what we charmingly refer to as 'summer' as you will see women wearing clothing far more revealing than that. Not counting beachwear obviously.


Appology accepted and offered in kind.

I have never argued about a character being too attractive (although I have argued about a character wearing the appropriate attire for job, like with ashley williams.), and in fact if I ever did argue about attractiveness it was to say the character was not reaching her full potential, or was being marred by a change as I believed ashley did. (I still maintain ashley was more beautifl before but that is not here nor there.)

I can't judge chobot's character until I meet her in game, but I can judge based on first impressions. I find that dress (which I thought was a tanktop until I saw a full body shot) in my opinion to be ugly, and tyring "too hard" as it were to be sexy, something I have been arguing about with bioware's art direction lately.

Now if you say that is common wear in britain I cannot argue, as I do not know the attire there, and maybe canada share's britain's fashion sense, but in my opinion that dress is more there to show off cleavage than to actually show off this reporter's good looks if that makes any sense.

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Just saw it

loved everyone

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Mike Shepard wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Glad your (mostly) liking the video. I do think the cast is pretty damned fine and they all do a great job in ME3.

I've loved Martin Sheen ever since Apocalypse Now and I've said before that The Illusive Man is my favorite character across all 3 games.

I would follow Keith David into battle just to listen to him shout orders at me. Forget the fact that he was Childs or that he fought Roddy Piper in the alley. Anderson is THE man. - 1

I got to meet and talk to Jennifer Hale at SDCC and PAX last year. She is possibly the most charming and friendly actor I've ever had the pleasure to meet. Plus, when I met her at PAX after SDCC, she remembered who I was which inflated my ego 10 points that day. - 2

Let me tell you my Ali Hillis story. She was at SDCC and did a signing on our stage for fans. Eventually here handler (an agent, friend or someone) had to remind her she was late for an appointment and she had to go immediately. As she was leaving, a fan in a Liara costume was talking to me and Ali stopped and came over exclaiming how great it was to see her character. When her handler reminded her she was late, she said "but this is ME, I have to get some pictures" - 3 and she took the time to have pictures taken with the Liara fan and signed some dedictaed autographs to her on the way out. It isn't every celebrity that would take the time to appreciate a fan like that.

I know there are still people who just don't "get" James Vega. All I'll say is wait till you actually meet him. Freedie Prinz Jr will change your mind. - 4

Jessica Chobot is a Mass Effect fan and has been since the first game. - 5 I'm glad they used her not only because she does a great job in the role, but someday I may get to meet her now.

So many awsome cast members. Seth Green/Joker, Tricia Helfer/Edi, Carrie- Ann Moss/Aria, etc.



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1. you speak the truth. David Anderson is awesome. I am hoping above hope he plays Anderson in the movie if it doesn't end up in development hell

2. Ha! awesome. I've liked Hale's work ever since Knights of the Old Republic, Bastila Shan was my favorite character, took her everywhere, was upset when she got captured and I always go DS so i dont have to risk killing her. On second thought, it's also because I am evil  :devil:

3. Sweet. Good to know her success hasn't clouded her mind or swelled her head.

4. I think Vega is going to be a great character. I mean his backstory includes him getting so aggitated by anti-Shepard propaganda in ME: Conviction that he "calmly" gets up and rips a TV/Video board off a wall and pays for the damage before getting in a fight with the bar patrons.

5. I agree. People that are saying Chobot is fanservice/the Jerseyshorization of Mass Effect ("Shore Effect" as it were) are making snap judgements based on insufficient evidence. And I think Khalisah al-Jilani is familiar enough with that to explain:

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Giving new characters and their voice actors a chance without judging them besed on 5-10 seconds of video and a couple images?!?!?!

WITCH!!!  BURN THE WITCH!!!!!

Sorry, we can't have such reasonable and common sense comments tainting the BSN.

;)

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Nashiktal wrote...

LadyDrusilla wrote...

Oh, nice, we're back at the 'smart female character can't be attractive' nonsense again.


Strawman. No one said that, not even close.

Although I have to say, there is more to being sexy than boobs and skimpy clothes. Lots more. TONS more actually.

   


Oh there is really lets see Ashley has a new look and you and your kind freak out because its sexy and good looking . Jessica Chobot is a fine looking woman who is smart and she does her job very well .  Oh we are back to smart female characters can't be attractive . Its the same oversexualized horse crap .  you and your kind took away player choice as far as what ashley can wear in 3 . I be dammed if I sit back and watch this same group dictate their rules and views on the rest of Mass Effect 3 fans . who have no freaking issue with how Jessica's character is .

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Just watched this... I thought I recognized Chobot. I miss G4 when it had more video game review shows.

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LadyDrusilla wrote...

It is exactly what your argument amounts too. You consider her appearance a negative just because she is attractive and showing some skin, the implication being that smart, professional women can't or shouldn't do that.

No, the implication is is that, she's not all that attractive if you're not someone immediatly hypnotised by breasts and massive amounts of skin exposure.

Besides, you don't HAVE to show massive amounts of skin or boobs to be sexy. Most professional woman certainly don't, they're sexy in how they carry themselves and how they dress, which is of course, professional and strongwilled, which is what makes them sexy.

Hence why I'm disappointed, she carries herself like a college girl, inexperienced and a little too eager. Not at all a turn on for me.

I could simply be jumping to conclusions of course, she could really end up surprising me by the time ME3 gets out.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 02 février 2012 - 12:59 .


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Meryl Streep was extremely sexy in Devil Wears Prada.

Edit: I am serious.

Modifié par DiegoProgMetal, 02 février 2012 - 01:28 .


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Can't please everyone.

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DiegoProgMetal wrote...

Meryl Streep was extremely sexy in Devil Wears Prada.

Edit: I am serious.

Now see, THAT'S what I mean! xD

There's more to being sexy than simply be 'do-able'.

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LadyDrusilla

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I've never said she was sexy (in fact I believe I said specifically I do not find how she dresses sexy, just not out of the ordinary even by todays standards), all I've said is that she doesn't dress that differently from millions of other women today and dismissing her on that basis alone is as immature as approving of her simply because she is attractive and shows some skin.

If she is an immature, inexperienced and poorly voice acted character than that is dissapointing. But if she is strong and independent and whatnot does it really matter how she dresses? Because honestly I find the implication that a young, smart and strong woman can't dress that way quite offensive even if I wouldn't dress that way myself.

LilyasAvalon wrote...

LadyDrusilla wrote...

It is exactly what your argument amounts too. You consider her appearance a negative just because she is attractive and showing some skin, the implication being that smart, professional women can't or shouldn't do that.

No, the implication is is that, she's not all that attractive if you're not someone immediatly hypnotised by breasts and massive amounts of skin exposure.

Besides, you don't HAVE to show massive amounts of skin or boobs to be sexy. Most professional woman certainly don't, they're sexy in how they carry themselves and how they dress, which is of course, professional and strongwilled, which is what makes them sexy.

Hence why I'm disappointed, she carries herself like a college girl, inexperienced and a little too eager. Not at all a turn on for me.

I could simply be jumping to conclusions of course, she could really end up surprising me by the time ME3 gets out.


Modifié par LadyDrusilla, 02 février 2012 - 02:05 .


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Just so people doesn't think anything wrong about my last post, that was just a statement of my opinion about what could be a sexy woman. I don't effing care about Chobot's character.

Modifié par DiegoProgMetal, 02 février 2012 - 03:13 .


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LilyasAvalon wrote...

LadyDrusilla wrote...

It is exactly what your argument amounts too. You consider her appearance a negative just because she is attractive and showing some skin, the implication being that smart, professional women can't or shouldn't do that.

No, the implication is is that, she's not all that attractive if you're not someone immediatly hypnotised by breasts and massive amounts of skin exposure.

Besides, you don't HAVE to show massive amounts of skin or boobs to be sexy. Most professional woman certainly don't, they're sexy in how they carry themselves and how they dress, which is of course, professional and strongwilled, which is what makes them sexy.

Hence why I'm disappointed, she carries herself like a college girl, inexperienced and a little too eager. Not at all a turn on for me.

I could simply be jumping to conclusions of course, she could really end up surprising me by the time ME3 gets out.

  




Mass Effect is set in the 21 Century you would think women can wear what the hell ever they please . but oh we got the oversexualized police crying about her outfit . you make me sick but what is there to expect from a forum that can not accept or deal with attractive strong female characters

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LilyasAvalon wrote...

Besides, you don't HAVE to show massive amounts of skin or boobs to be sexy. Most professional woman certainly don't, they're sexy in how they carry themselves and how they dress


Professional women? Is there such a thing? A school that teaches unprofessional women how to be pros in the field?
Gimmie their address; I need to send my sister there so she can become a professional woman.

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Yeah you get a degree and everything.

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LadyDrusilla wrote...

I've never said she was sexy (in fact I believe I said specifically I do not find how she dresses sexy, just not out of the ordinary even by todays standards), all I've said is that she doesn't dress that differently from millions of other women today and dismissing her on that basis alone is as immature as approving of her simply because she is attractive and shows some skin.

If she is an immature, inexperienced and poorly voice acted character than that is dissapointing. But if she is strong and independent and whatnot does it really matter how she dresses? Because honestly I find the implication that a young, smart and strong woman can't dress that way quite offensive even if I wouldn't dress that way myself.


Unfortunately we're not talking about how she chooses to dress, but what Bioware decides she should wear.  Two very different things.  Keep in mind we're talking about a company that exists in an industry that: doesn't get respect though it is the only source of income for some people in said industry; the press that covers and reviews products made in this area are stressed to be gaming "news" thereby stipulating that it's not enough to warrant ethics be made important when there appears to be a conflict of interest, and that many members in said industry still refuses to grow up (or allow their work to mature) with its various depictions of scantily clad women in games and general behavior to anything said by sources such as FOX news.

Now I will say that if not for the push for iconic looks, I wouldn't be able to say that it's not the character choosing to dress the way she wants, but I have no reason to believe that it's not Bioware's agenda to have her in clothing that doesn't fit her role (on the Normandy no less) or possibly her character.  To me, this is highlighted by Miranda considering that her actions, thoughts, and depiction in ME2 seem at odds because: at no point does she use her looks to get her way, and at points she appears to be looking for attention (referring to comments and actions made when she's told no one trusts her during travel to the Collector base).  It's said that she's strong and confident, but I can't agree with that because after everything I've witnessed I see an insecure individual who seeks validation and can't validate herself.  There's also Bioware's attempt at being sly with camera angles on at least two occasions with Miranda.  

And, in fact, I would say that last statement above is at the heart of the matter because those two shots served to make me question if I'm supposed to take the character seriously.  And thinking about it more isn't helping.  Two of the main crew, whose faces where mapped from real people into the game, were dressed provocatively and inappropriately (on missions).  Heels, open chest pieces, and bare skin where protection should be.  What is that supposed to make me think?  Quite possibly, the most free-spirited individual on the ship and regarded sexually available individual (who isn't a main cast member), wears boots without heels, and is dressed in a more conservative manner.  The "succubus" is also dressed in a conservative manner and she exudes more sex in speech than in anything she wears and she doesn't even try that hard.  The whole scale itch thing notwithstanding, I'm more able to respect the depiction of Kelly and Morinth, and respect them as characters due to what I mentioned before.  Bioware's push to show off how womanly their female characters are serves to diminish them before we get to know them.  

This is why, just based off attire, I feel comfortable in judging who that character is or might be.

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GnusmasTHX wrote...Yeah you get a degree and everything.


SnakeStrike8 wrote... Professional women? Is there such a thing? 

 
Guys SHHH, even though you're joking you may disturb the over-reactive feminists!

Xeranx wrote...This is why, just based off attire, I feel comfortable in judging who that character is or might be.

What was Bioware's reason for NOT being able to change the armor of characters in Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2? "So that the characters keep their iconic look". The best part about Mass Effect 1 and Origins was the fact that the characters were essentially just like you, gear that was interchangeable and almost indistinguishable (God damn that's a hard word), meanwhile...
Miranda runs around in an airless environment wearing her latex costume with some sort of hologram rebreather, while her eyeballs and skin aren't deteriorating at all but hey, it's a video game right?

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Private Jeanette Vasquez, when aboard the Sulaco dresses like this ........

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Yes, a tank top, just like Diana Allers.

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xSTONEYx187x wrote...

Private Jeanette Vasquez, when aboard the Sulaco dresses like this ........

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Yes, a tank top, just like Diana Allers.


Things wrong with this:

1. Diana is a war-reporter for the alliance, not a toughened colonial marine.
2. Vasquez has no need for protection, she's doing a bug hunt. Diana is reporting during a reaper invasion which could possibly be the end of the universe, where's her combat armour to store the kinetic barriers/medigel etc? Oh that's right, in her bra.
3. Just because it's Sci Fi doesn't make it relevant here, it's a different "Universe" altogether.

I could go on but I'd rather go back into my tranquil state of mind before this post made me go LOLOmGSHerriouslyhepoOStedThat? :huh:

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1Nosphorus1 wrote...

What was Bioware's reason for NOT being able to change the armor of characters in Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2? "So that the characters keep their iconic look". The best part about Mass Effect 1 and Origins was the fact that the characters were essentially just like you, gear that was interchangeable and almost indistinguishable (God damn that's a hard word), meanwhile...
Miranda runs around in an airless environment wearing her latex costume with some sort of hologram rebreather, while her eyeballs and skin aren't deteriorating at all but hey, it's a video game right?


I probably don't want to know the reason, to be honest.  My expectation for a good and well-reasoned response isn't high.

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Private Jeanette Vasquez, when aboard the Sulaco dresses like this ........ 

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Yes, a tank top, just like Diana Allers.

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Not even close.

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@stoney you can't be serious can you?

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Something I forgot to add but my coffee decided to bring back up, which was meant to go into one of the posts above.

If this wasn't a blatant fan service, why did they increase the size of her rack?

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1Nosphorus1 wrote...

If this wasn't a blatant fan service, why did they increase the size of her rack?

Really?:mellow: