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[ObserverStatus]

This is Allers's reastion to that jersey shore picture.

Modifié par bobobo878, 01 février 2012 - 02:33 .

[HolyJellyfish]

1136342t54 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

No BSN can be more annoying than a few other forums I visit. I won't say its the worse but I wouldn't say its just like anyother forum in level of sanity. 

I don't know. Most other gaming Forums I've gone to aren't very welcoming to me because they cater to a very specific demograph.

Well what demographic specifically?

Straight white dudes between the ages of 24 - 30? A lot of my concerns don't necessarily effect that crowd, especially if I need to vent about issues that may go against their interests. Bioware is a nice little haven where the insults 'YOu nasty Femi****' and 'Narrowminded attention ****' and 'You are just fat and stupid' doesn't get the same caws of approval as other sites do.

Buts whatevz yo! That's going off topic.

Now about this reporter lady...

[rapscallioness]

Yay, Chobot! I'm stoked, too.

I hope she's funny in game. And yes, I think she's funny.

And if she wants to wear a tank top ingame..then fine. Wateva. Shepard has really got to learn to stop being such a control freak anyway.

[CrutchCricket]

HolyJellyfish wrote...
She plays a reporter. And she herself is a reporter. She also dresses exactly like her character (Minus the Alliance logo). Its not a big jump. We will have to see if her reactions to craaazy ****e happening is believable or even feels in place.

I just question why an inexperienced actress/VA person is here in the first place.

It just feels... weird. And I've already gone through the list five hundred times WHY it feels weird.

Of all the other VAs, all the other characters, everyone else who is some how affiliated with actual talent, be it professional voice acting or acting, be it some connection to the sci fi world (EDI) or noted otherwise, she's very obscure.

Its like... If they made the new Star Trek sequel, with a speaking role by Kim Kardashian because she's affiliated with hollywood.

It just doesn't make sense.

So despite the very real differences I pointed out in their job descriptions for you it's still reporter=reporter?

I don't know. You're not extreme in your views but I still detect the subtlest of negative biases.

[HolyJellyfish]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

It's fanservice Jelly. It's business. Damn smart business at that, so many of the pervs in the IGN comment section will be playing the **** out of this game now.

Nah dude, its true. Which is why it surprises me.

I mean hell, there are going to be more people who are going to encounter this chick like I did - be it promotional materials or in game, and be like 'Dude. Who is this?'

Proceed to google. Lady gets marketted all OVER the wazoo.

It'll be interesting if this is what 'launches' her, considering just how similar she is to her character.

Still fun to see it for what it is.

[100k]

android654 wrote...

100k wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

She might not need to personally be in the field. She may have a robotic gizmo that follows Shepard. Kind of like the Mk II in MGS4.
I like Yakko's ideas. I should look more into embedded journalism. She does have the potential to be an interesting character.

I think its a great idea. A reporter recording Shepard's story so that the Alliance and Council can finally pull their heads out of their asses? Sounds good to me.

Plus, I'd rather have a character that looks unique (and makes sense for her role in the story) than a character that just wears [generic female NPC outfit 14].

And she obviously doesn't have to follow SR2 protocol clothing wise. Its not like she's a combatant.

But she's emebedded in the military. Meaning she has some rules she has to follow. She can't just do or wear what ever she feels like because she's not in the military. The fact that she's non combat person and with the military it means they're responsible for her and she has to stay within the guidelines they lay out for her otherwise she wouldn't get a spot on the ship. That's how it works in the real world and I can not imagine Hacket or Anderson giving her the go-ahead to wear that dress on the Normandy.

*If she's part of the military. 

It seems more likely that the different branches of the military have different rules on what is acceptable to wear. Rather than wearing armor or a thick suit, she's wearing a *fairly modest reporters outfit + skirt of unknown length. These are the sorts of things reporters in America and UK wear. 

But more than that

She's part of the SR2 crew. Don't talk about military protocol and this ship in the same sentence. Shepard can do whatever the hell he wants. Kelly (bound by some kind of Cerberus protocol) can sleep with Shepard. Tali runs the engine room. EDI, an AI, helps Joker control the ship (which was against regulations before). It sounds like Vega gets rowdy with Shepard in a disagreement. Ash/Kaiden seek out a relationship with their superior officer (I think they even joke about it). 

The point I'm trying to get at is that...well... the Alliance rules are more like a set of...



...guidlines.

[1136342t54_]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

No BSN can be more annoying than a few other forums I visit. I won't say its the worse but I wouldn't say its just like anyother forum in level of sanity. 

I don't know. Most other gaming Forums I've gone to aren't very welcoming to me because they cater to a very specific demograph.

Well what demographic specifically?

Straight white dudes between the ages of 24 - 30? A lot of my concerns don't necessarily effect that crowd, especially if I need to vent about issues that may go against their interests. Bioware is a nice little haven where the insults 'YOu nasty Femi****' and 'Narrowminded attention ****' and 'You are just fat and stupid' doesn't get the same caws of approval as other sites do.

Buts whatevz yo! That's going off topic.

Now about this reporter lady...

The game forum likely is about a game that mostly panders to white males more than Bioware does. BSN can easily be more annoying due to most Bioware games being in general good and actually does their best to please multiple sides (not always successfully) and it basically brings more complaints. Make some advancements in anything and fans claim it isn't Bioware doing their best because of blah blah whatever. Sure at times its true and I would love some criticism but the criticism isn't really constructive most of the time.

Put it simply the more things Bioware puts in a game no matter how good the more people on here have to complain about which makes it more annoying. 

[HolyJellyfish]

CrutchCricket wrote...
So despite the very real differences I pointed out in their job descriptions for you it's still reporter=reporter?

I don't know. You're not extreme in your views but I still detect the subtlest of negative biases.

I also detect we are arguing two completely different things.

You are arguing about the character herself.

I'm arguing about Bioware's decision to even INCLUDE the character, as she is, as defined physically by Jessica.

You are looking at how she'll add to the game.

I'm looking at her from a purely marketing point of view: /why/ did Bioware feature her? Why can't anyone else voice her, in anyone else's likeness? Someone more reputable?

Those are two very separate arguments.

[Td1984]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Otherwise Oddlyotter sort of brought me back around to the following point. We all know it was inevitable. Punching Al Jilani. Will Diana like it, hate it, join in?

I think she'd be okay with it. Keep in mind the reason we punch Al-Jilani is becuase she's an idiot. She gives other reporters (like Wong for example) a bad name. 

[nitefyre410]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

No BSN can be more annoying than a few other forums I visit. I won't say its the worse but I wouldn't say its just like anyother forum in level of sanity. 

I don't know. Most other gaming Forums I've gone to aren't very welcoming to me because they cater to a very specific demograph.

Well what demographic specifically?

Straight white dudes between the ages of 24 - 30? A lot of my concerns don't necessarily effect that crowd, especially if I need to vent about issues that may go against their interests. Bioware is a nice little haven where the insults 'YOu nasty Femi****' and 'Narrowminded attention ****' and 'You are just fat and stupid' doesn't get the same caws of approval as other sites do.

Buts whatevz yo! That's going off topic.

Now about this reporter lady...

 


Hold on...  I  for one never wanted to give the impression that your concerns   where not  valid... no they are... but for  most part save some expections( Yourself  and Cheez) fall into  this... I really feel like this back lash against the attractive woman and they are nothing more than"Sexy blow up dolls" is just built around a   bunch of guys trying to appeal to a new demographic in games  just to get attention .Which I hold heartly thinks does your concerns complete discredit because they are valid.  



Oh okay this ends our  PSA brought to you by  Darks Souls and   Coffee back to our   thread. 

[HolyJellyfish]

1136342t54 wrote...


The game forum likely is about a game that mostly panders to white males more than Bioware does. BSN can easily be more annoying due to most Bioware games being in general good and actually does their best to please multiple sides (not always successfully) and it basically brings more complaints. Make some advancements in anything and fans claim it isn't Bioware doing their best because of blah blah whatever. Sure at times its true and I would love some criticism but the criticism isn't really constructive most of the time.

Put it simply the more things Bioware puts in a game no matter how good the more people on here have to complain about which makes it more annoying. 

Complaints happen because you can't always cater to everyone.

But I appreciate BSN.

There aren't many forums where a thread can pop up demanding equal representation in a roleplaying game. ANd when haters attack those threads, they often get knocked down by devs and moderators.

I like that.

[Bat32391]

Well she sounds intresting so I give this thread my seal of approval

[100k]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

android654 wrote...
But she's emebedded in the military. Meaning she has some rules she has to follow. She can't just do or wear what ever she feels like because she's not in the military. The fact that she's non combat person and with the military it means they're responsible for her and she has to stay within the guidelines they lay out for her otherwise she wouldn't get a spot on the ship. That's how it works in the real world and I can not imagine Hacket or Anderson giving her the go-ahead to wear that dress on the Normandy.

Soldiers also shouldn't be running around wearing thigh high heeled boots (MIranda / Samara).

Suspension of belief. Until Bioware hires more female writers and designers, and these discussions can create more appropriate wear (ALA Deus Ex, Skyrim, Uncharted, etc.)

To be fair though, Miranda isn't a soldier, and neither is Samara. 

Miranda is an agent. Samara is a warrior-monk. And extending it further, Jack is a criminal, Kasumi is a spy/infiltrator, Liara is a biotic.

Ash is a soldier. And she got armor. 

Diana is a reporter. 

[1136342t54_]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


The game forum likely is about a game that mostly panders to white males more than Bioware does. BSN can easily be more annoying due to most Bioware games being in general good and actually does their best to please multiple sides (not always successfully) and it basically brings more complaints. Make some advancements in anything and fans claim it isn't Bioware doing their best because of blah blah whatever. Sure at times its true and I would love some criticism but the criticism isn't really constructive most of the time.

Put it simply the more things Bioware puts in a game no matter how good the more people on here have to complain about which makes it more annoying. 

Complaints happen because you can't always cater to everyone.

But I appreciate BSN.

There aren't many forums where a thread can pop up demanding equal representation in a roleplaying game. ANd when haters attack those threads, they often get knocked down by devs and moderators.

I like that.

It seems you haven't been on many actual sane forums (This one included). I have multiple other issues with BSN I would rather not talk about but the only reason why BSN is like this is due to Bioware games attracting a certain fan base. Whether its good or bad you decide but its mostly due to Bioware games actually being in general good and people wanting more. Sometimes demanding more and when they don't get it they ****.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 01 février 2012 - 02:46 .

[HolyJellyfish]

nitefyre410 wrote...


Hold on...  I  for one never wanted to give the impression that your concerns   where not  valid... no they are... but for  most part save some expections( Yourself  and Cheez) fall into  this... I really feel like this back lash against the attractive woman and they are nothing more than"Sexy blow up dolls" is just built around a   bunch of guys trying to appeal to a new demographic in games  just to get attention .Which I hold heartly thinks does your concerns complete discredit because they are valid.  



Oh okay this ends our  PSA brought to you by  Darks Souls and   Coffee back to our   thread. 

We are going way off topic, but hear this:

I really don't appreciate it when people put words in my mouth. I never said I am attacking her because she's attractive. That is an unfair assumption by you.

I am a bisexual woman. I LOVE ATTRACTIVE WOMEN.

I freaking adore sexy, boob spilling out, no pants wearing hot lady pirates. I adore in control, genetic perfection second in commands. I think Jack is one of the most beautiful characters in the game. I love women. I love women in all shapes and forms.

It has nothing to do with attacking someone because they are attractive.

Just to be perfectly and absolutely clear. So please, stop making that unfair assumption.

But again. Derailing.

Jessica's attractive, I just wish I got more out of her character.

[PMC65]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

She plays a reporter. And she herself is a reporter. She also dresses exactly like her character (Minus the Alliance logo). Its not a big jump. We will have to see if her reactions to craaazy ****e happening is believable or even feels in place.

I just question why an inexperienced actress/VA person is here in the first place.

It just feels... weird. And I've already gone through the list five hundred times WHY it feels weird.

Of all the other VAs, all the other characters, everyone else who is some how affiliated with actual talent, be it professional voice acting or acting, be it some connection to the sci fi world (EDI) or noted otherwise, she's very obscure.

Its like... If they made the new Star Trek sequel, with a speaking role by Kim Kardashian because she's affiliated with hollywood.

It just doesn't make sense.

I don't know this person but if she is a reporter in the geek world and is now playing a reporter in ME3 then that's funny and a nod to that community. Nothing wrong with that in my book.

Maybe Bioware thought it would be fun to tip a hat to the gaming community and so they brought in a person that is part of that community?

Conrad Verner always felt like Bioware's cheeky stab at us Shepard fans.

But really, why is it such a big deal? They have quite a few big names that were also brought in for more than artistic reasons ... Should we bash them for their pre-existing fan bases. Carrie-Anne Moss bringing in the Matrix freaks? Oh, wait. That is what attracted me to ME2. Never mind.

But seriously, my problem (I know, it's my problem) is how the bashing become about her than the character? That is cold in my book. 

[CrutchCricket]

HolyJellyfish wrote...
I also detect we are arguing two completely different things.

You are arguing about the character herself.

I'm arguing about Bioware's decision to even INCLUDE the character, as she is, as defined physically by Jessica.

You are looking at how she'll add to the game.

I'm looking at her from a purely marketing point of view: /why/ did Bioware feature her? Why can't anyone else voice her, in anyone else's likeness? Someone more reputable?

Those are two very separate arguments.

Well I think what you're arguing is beyond the scope of this thread.  But anyway, that it's a marketing ploy is obvious. But she still needs to prove herself as a character and I think she can do that.

[Sgt Stryker]

100k wrote...
Ash is a soldier. And she got armor. 

Liara was an archaeologist with jedi powers, and she still wore armor. Then she became the alien equivalent of Julian Assange. Kept the jedi powers and the armor! 

[HolyJellyfish]

100k wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

android654 wrote...
But she's emebedded in the military. Meaning she has some rules she has to follow. She can't just do or wear what ever she feels like because she's not in the military. The fact that she's non combat person and with the military it means they're responsible for her and she has to stay within the guidelines they lay out for her otherwise she wouldn't get a spot on the ship. That's how it works in the real world and I can not imagine Hacket or Anderson giving her the go-ahead to wear that dress on the Normandy.

Soldiers also shouldn't be running around wearing thigh high heeled boots (MIranda / Samara).

Suspension of belief. Until Bioware hires more female writers and designers, and these discussions can create more appropriate wear (ALA Deus Ex, Skyrim, Uncharted, etc.)

To be fair though, Miranda isn't a soldier, and neither is Samara. 

Miranda is an agent. Samara is a warrior-monk. And extending it further, Jack is a criminal, Kasumi is a spy/infiltrator, Liara is a biotic.

Ash is a soldier. And she got armor. 

Diana is a reporter. 

Point taken, esse.

[AdmiralCheez]

PMC65 wrote...

But seriously, my problem (I know, it's my problem) is how the bashing become about her than the character? That is cold in my book.

The reason the "bashing" has gone from Allers to Chobot is because we have evidence that suggests that Allers IS Chobot, in the sense that she has Chobot's face, and sort-of Chobot's job, and might even have the exact same personality.

[android654]

100k wrote...

android654 wrote...

100k wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

She might not need to personally be in the field. She may have a robotic gizmo that follows Shepard. Kind of like the Mk II in MGS4.
I like Yakko's ideas. I should look more into embedded journalism. She does have the potential to be an interesting character.

I think its a great idea. A reporter recording Shepard's story so that the Alliance and Council can finally pull their heads out of their asses? Sounds good to me.

Plus, I'd rather have a character that looks unique (and makes sense for her role in the story) than a character that just wears [generic female NPC outfit 14].

And she obviously doesn't have to follow SR2 protocol clothing wise. Its not like she's a combatant.

But she's emebedded in the military. Meaning she has some rules she has to follow. She can't just do or wear what ever she feels like because she's not in the military. The fact that she's non combat person and with the military it means they're responsible for her and she has to stay within the guidelines they lay out for her otherwise she wouldn't get a spot on the ship. That's how it works in the real world and I can not imagine Hacket or Anderson giving her the go-ahead to wear that dress on the Normandy.

*If she's part of the military. 

It seems more likely that the different branches of the military have different rules on what is acceptable to wear. Rather than wearing armor or a thick suit, she's wearing a *fairly modest reporters outfit + skirt of unknown length. These are the sorts of things reporters in America and UK wear. 

But more than that

She's part of the SR2 crew. Don't talk about military protocol and this ship in the same sentence. Shepard can do whatever the hell he wants. Kelly (bound by some kind of Cerberus protocol) can sleep with Shepard. Tali runs the engine room. EDI, an AI, helps Joker control the ship (which was against regulations before). It sounds like Vega gets rowdy with Shepard in a disagreement. Ash/Kaiden seek out a relationship with their superior officer (I think they even joke about it). 

The point I'm trying to get at is that...well... the Alliance rules are more like a set of...



...guidlines.

ME1= Military protocol

ME2= Non militarty afiliation

ME3= Military protocol

See where there's a gap in your logic?

Also, "news casters," the people who sit in a studio wearing dresses and suits. Journalists in warzones don't dress like that because it's impractical and dressing in an impractical and uncomfortable way can get you killed in a war zone.

My argument is this,

This person has a different job


Than this person


and thier choice of attire reflects that. Having her in a latex dress is a bad choice and it detracts from the environment of the story if our 'war correspondent" is dressed like she's going out rather than trying to get the story from the front lines of a war and several other small conflicts.

[CrutchCricket]

Td1984 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Otherwise Oddlyotter sort of brought me back around to the following point. We all know it was inevitable. Punching Al Jilani. Will Diana like it, hate it, join in?

I think she'd be okay with it. Keep in mind the reason we punch Al-Jilani is becuase she's an idiot. She gives other reporters (like Wong for example) a bad name. 

I think it'd be cool if they had a history. Like rivals or something. It fits more with Emily since Diana may have taken a different path. But a rivalry in their past? Could be fun.

[nitefyre410]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...


Hold on...  I  for one never wanted to give the impression that your concerns   where not  valid... no they are... but for  most part save some expections( Yourself  and Cheez) fall into  this... I really feel like this back lash against the attractive woman and they are nothing more than"Sexy blow up dolls" is just built around a   bunch of guys trying to appeal to a new demographic in games  just to get attention .Which I hold heartly thinks does your concerns complete discredit because they are valid.  



Oh okay this ends our  PSA brought to you by  Darks Souls and   Coffee back to our   thread. 

We are going way off topic, but hear this:

I really don't appreciate it when people put words in my mouth. I never said I am attacking her because she's attractive. That is an unfair assumption by you.

I am a bisexual woman. I LOVE ATTRACTIVE WOMEN.

I freaking adore sexy, boob spilling out, no pants wearing hot lady pirates. I adore in control, genetic perfection second in commands. I think Jack is one of the most beautiful characters in the game. I love women. I love women in all shapes and forms.

It has nothing to do with attacking someone because they are attractive.

Just to be perfectly and absolutely clear. So please, stop making that unfair assumption.

But again. Derailing.

Jessica's attractive, I just wish I got more out of her character.

 


 Putting words in you mouth was not my intention  I'm sorry if I did not word what I said properly... I was talking about  debate in general and the trend that has popped up in the past I would say 3  to 5  years.. 

I know  you never personally have made that statement.. but  that  nosense agruement which many use  drowns out the agruements  that you make and they are perfectly valid 
 

Thats what I have  always been saying. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 01 février 2012 - 02:52 .

[DigitalMaster37]

1136342t54 wrote...

The game forum likely is about a game that mostly panders to white males more than Bioware does. BSN can easily be more annoying due to most Bioware games being in general good and actually does their best to please multiple sides (not always successfully) and it basically brings more complaints. Make some advancements in anything and fans claim it isn't Bioware doing their best because of blah blah whatever. Sure at times its true and I would love some criticism but the criticism isn't really constructive most of the time.

Put it simply the more things Bioware puts in a game no matter how good the more people on here have to complain about which makes it more annoying. 

Oh God this ^ 

This has been my issue day one. If complainers really want to be effective and make this game the best it could be, they would pay attention to the best ways to get their points over. Here is my little guide:

1.) make sure your message is getting to the right people.
   *hint: try writing to the offices for a change. Or even better yet, try PMing some devs or mods. Or make a thread in a nice coherent, detailed way that effectively explains your complaint. Don't forget to use good communications skills. 

2.) Write your complaint in a coherent manner with explanations and possible solutions.

3.) Don't forget to transform back from troll to human. This is a very common mistake. Folks forget to passify their troll within. 

These are just three of quite a few more constructive ways to actually get BioWare's ear. Some of the complaints I've been a part of were addressed by BioWare in past games and I wonder why? hmmm maybe because I didn't bach them saying they didnt know what they are doing, or that they suck, and that they have lost their touch. Instead I got straight to the point as well as fellow folks who had issues...

Wait... I did it again... I tried to bring logic to the BSN... shame on me <_<

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 01 février 2012 - 02:54 .

[HolyJellyfish]

CrutchCricket wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...
I also detect we are arguing two completely different things.

You are arguing about the character herself.

I'm arguing about Bioware's decision to even INCLUDE the character, as she is, as defined physically by Jessica.

You are looking at how she'll add to the game.

I'm looking at her from a purely marketing point of view: /why/ did Bioware feature her? Why can't anyone else voice her, in anyone else's likeness? Someone more reputable?

Those are two very separate arguments.

Well I think what you're arguing is beyond the scope of this thread.  But anyway, that it's a marketing ploy is obvious. But she still needs to prove herself as a character and I think she can do that.

I don't believe that. Jessica is the voice and the model of the character. Talking about her and bioware's decision to add her is valid, since it involves Diane Allers character.

But, C'est la vie