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[CrutchCricket]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
I don't mean you as in HolyJellyfish. I mean you as the collective that does this.

You say this, while you insult me ('just in case you wanted to loudly exclaim how you keenly figured out Bioware's little ruse' - Really? You really think that's what I'm after? What is the point of that? I don't understand), and claim how sad it is I should express my opinion - even if it goes what you'd like to see out of this thread.

I'm sorry if you feel that way. If you don't like hearing what I have to say, then a better response is to not respond at all. Instead of attacking the merit of my and/or other people's opinions by insulting us.

Its just a character in a game dude. I'm expressing my issues with her, I'm reading other people's posts who express similar interests, and I share with them that I feel the same way. In a thread that is about her.

Take it or leave it, but I feel like we are derailing the topic of Diana Allers / Jessica Chobolt with this continued discussion - Marketing ploy, LI, character, and all.

Reread the last sentence of my post again. I  think it answers a lot of your concerns. I left it in the quote for easy finding.

Not sure why you'd take it personally anyway. I was expressing disdain at the notion itself (and more specifically at the repetition) not at any user.

I'd love to move on and discuss something else. I agree we're derailing this thread right now. But these posts are literally burying any other topic.

[DragonRageGT]

Oh Oh, here she comes - Her official musical theme

[Nayt Navare]

Personally, I find it an odd casting. I'll reserve judgement until I see how she does, but it feels like a Stan Lee role. A wink and a smile to the audience. I just worry her role/part is due, and not just because of who she is; which, to an extent, is how I felt about Talis.

I'm interested in the character, definitely, though. Her face is a little off, but I felt that way about Miranda in stills, but liked her in game, so *crosses fingers*

[CrutchCricket]

As peace offering/ incentive to move on would it help if I updated the OP with something along the lines of "There is a belief that the character and casting were made primarily for marketing purposes and we hope the character can still take off in her own right"? At least it'd be right up there and you wouldn't have to restate it every couple of posts.

Don't say I'm not trying to meet you halfway...

[Nayt Navare]

CrutchCricket wrote...

As peace offering/ incentive to move on would it help if I updated the OP with something along the lines of "There is a belief that the character and casting were made primarily for marketing purposes and we hope the character can still take off in her own right"? At least it'd be right up there and you wouldn't have to restate it every couple of posts.

Don't say I'm not trying to meet you halfway...

I appreciate any attempt at peace.  Ever.

That said, I hope you aren't surprised or frustrated.  People will have opinions; If you ask for thoughts on a topic, expect them to be discussed, and repeatedly, until people feel the need to say their part has been fulfilled.

You can put that post up, but I doubt it would change the discussion points of a few people, perhaps even more so.  I apologize if you've become overly frustrated on the topic, but I have to ask- Is saying Jessica Chobot hot  every other post not repetetive as well?  Regardless of their views, people repeat.  It is how discussion operates.

[CrutchCricket]

SE JN wrote...
I appreciate any attempt at peace.  Ever.

That said, I hope you aren't surprised or frustrated.  People will have opinions; If you ask for thoughts on a topic, expect them to be discussed, and repeatedly, until people feel the need to say their part has been fulfilled.

You can put that post up, but I doubt it would change the discussion points of a few people, perhaps even more so.  I apologize if you've become overly frustrated on the topic, but I have to ask- Is saying Jessica Chobot hot  every other post not repetetive as well?  Regardless of their views, people repeat.  It is how discussion operates.

Except they're not being discussed. They're just being restated. There are no opposing opinions. Arguments aren't being made and countered. It is just repetition.

Yes, spamming "omg jess is so hot lolololheartsmiliex20" is just as repetitive and can get just as annoying. It's marginally more tolerable because it's positive and it usually doesn't take up entire paragraphs and exponential layers of quotes which bury other discussion topics people might want seen. But if you're wondering, yes I would be equally unimpressed if that's all people posted.

Sorry but discussion is not repetition. Discussion is the meeting of multiple differing viewpoints, that are analyzed and endorsed through arguments, either logical or otherwise. There is no discussion on "Jess is a marketing ploy" because there is one viewpoint- Jess is a marketing ploy. Since nothing is challenging it, why keep bringing it up?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 01 février 2012 - 10:26 .

[AuggyDoggysan]

Marketing ploy or payoff for a good review. Or just straight influence peddling. Still needs an explanation from bioware.

[ADLegend21]

There are tons of celebrities in Mass effect games. Bioware doesn't need to explain why they put celbrities in their games.

[wright1978]

I don't necessarily mind the whole embedded reporter concept.
My main issue is just how much of a puppet organisation is the Alliance News Network?

[AuggyDoggysan]

ADLegend21 wrote...

There are tons of celebrities in Mass effect games. Bioware doesn't need to explain why they put celbrities in their games.

True. But she is a reporter that has written reviews on mass effect 3. Interviewers are supposed to be neutral not paid employees of the developer.

[ADLegend21]

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

There are tons of celebrities in Mass effect games. Bioware doesn't need to explain why they put celbrities in their games.

True. But she is a reporter that has written reviews on mass effect 3. Interviewers are supposed to be neutral not paid employees of the developer.

Then I guess she won't be writting one this time. as for her character,I've been wanting a reporter on the Normandy for a while. Now the council and Alliance can't be on the "Shepard is insane train" and call their snaity into question since we'll have proof with Chobot's character.

[CheapStare]

Modifié par CheapStare, 01 février 2012 - 11:50 .

[AuggyDoggysan]

ADLegend21 wrote...

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

There are tons of celebrities in Mass effect games. Bioware doesn't need to explain why they put celbrities in their games.

True. But she is a reporter that has written reviews on mass effect 3. Interviewers are supposed to be neutral not paid employees of the developer.

Then I guess she won't be writting one this time. as for her character,I've been wanting a reporter on the Normandy for a while. Now the council and Alliance can't be on the "Shepard is insane train" and call their snaity into question since we'll have proof with Chobot's character.

Still need an explanation from bioware of why she did the review when she was working there for them.

As for a reporter being on the Normandy. My Shepard has never been that concerned with how the press or others see him. Saving the galaxy and taking back Earth are his only concerns now.

[MakeMineMako]

My beef isn't the choice of voice actress, the character's outfit, or her looks (I'm digging the Jersey Shore jokes though). My beef is having a character of this nature on the ship to begin with. I don't need an embedded reporter. I need a trigger puller with useful talents for my game. Rather than this, I would rather have another one of the old ME2 team mates back full time, since they are under represented on the Normandy. And I say this despite being partial to ME1 and it's crew.

[CrutchCricket]

AuggyDoggysan wrote...
Still need an explanation from bioware of why she did the review when she was working there for them.

As for a reporter being on the Normandy. My Shepard has never been that concerned with how the press or others see him. Saving the galaxy and taking back Earth are his only concerns now.

Well there's no one in this thread from Bioware (at least none of the devs have posted yet). So you won't find those answers here.

As for a reporter being on the Normandy I get the feeling it was less Shepard's choice and more the Alliance pushing for it. Check the OP, I tried to summarize possible reasons for this.

[CrutchCricket]

MakeMineMako wrote...
 My beef is having a character of this nature on the ship to begin with. I don't need an embedded reporter. I need a trigger puller with useful talents for my game. Rather than this, I would rather have another one of the old ME2 team mates back full time, since they are under represented on the Normandy. And I say this despite being partial to ME1 and it's crew.

She doesn't interfere with your "trigger pullers" and she doesn't take up a squad slot. She's similar to Kelly, just part of the non-combatant crew. And apparently she won't be the only one.

[android654]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Except they're not being discussed. They're just being restated. There are no opposing opinions. Arguments aren't being made and countered. It is just repetition.

There could be a discussion about how they're underminign a rule of thumb when it comes to military fiction? The whole point of it is to insert fictional plots using the real life frame of a military institution. This character's design undermines that greatly.

[ADLegend21]

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

There are tons of celebrities in Mass effect games. Bioware doesn't need to explain why they put celbrities in their games.

True. But she is a reporter that has written reviews on mass effect 3. Interviewers are supposed to be neutral not paid employees of the developer.

Then I guess she won't be writting one this time. as for her character,I've been wanting a reporter on the Normandy for a while. Now the council and Alliance can't be on the "Shepard is insane train" and call their snaity into question since we'll have proof with Chobot's character.

Still need an explanation from bioware of why she did the review when she was working there for them.

As for a reporter being on the Normandy. My Shepard has never been that concerned with how the press or others see him. Saving the galaxy and taking back Earth are his only concerns now.

She's already done a review of the game? it's not gold yet...

and for the reporter the ocuncil's been begging for proof and only did things when Shepard got solid proof. no better proof than a reporter on board with the crew. Hopefully she's more of an Emily Wong style journalist rather than an Al-jilani style reporter.

[CrutchCricket]

android654 wrote...
There could be a discussion about how they're underminign a rule of thumb when it comes to military fiction? The whole point of it is to insert fictional plots using the real life frame of a military institution. This character's design undermines that greatly.

Maybe. And I'd have some replies to that. It's still somewhat off topic as you're discussing Bioware's actions as opposed to the character itself though.

[android654]

CrutchCricket wrote...

android654 wrote...
There could be a discussion about how they're underminign a rule of thumb when it comes to military fiction? The whole point of it is to insert fictional plots using the real life frame of a military institution. This character's design undermines that greatly.

Maybe. And I'd have some replies to that. It's still somewhat off topic as you're discussing Bioware's actions as opposed to the character itself though.

It is part of the character though. Character design is suppose to project the character's personality. Tali's a very shy insecure girl with almost a teenage like attitude, and she's a quarin, physically visible yet always hiding. Miranda is someone who prides herself on her perfection and doesn't shy away from it in the face of anyone, no matter the circumstance, and she wears form fitting suits which project that. Mordin's a doctor and is alwys dressed in a lab coat  and has medical equipment (at least I assume that's what his forearm and neck dressings are). Allers' choice of dress reflects the character's personality.

[CrutchCricket]

android654 wrote...
It is part of the character though. Character design is suppose to project the character's personality. Tali's a very shy insecure girl with almost a teenage like attitude, and she's a quarin, physically visible yet always hiding. Miranda is someone who prides herself on her perfection and doesn't shy away from it in the face of anyone, no matter the circumstance, and she wears form fitting suits which project that. Mordin's a doctor and is alwys dressed in a lab coat  and has medical equipment (at least I assume that's what his forearm and neck dressings are). Allers' choice of dress reflects the character's personality.

lol still on about the dress:lol:? Well I guess it depends on how you approach the topic.

[ciaweth]

$5 says the person who is super defensive about this issue is a BioWare or IGN sockpuppet.

[android654]

CrutchCricket wrote...

android654 wrote...
It is part of the character though. Character design is suppose to project the character's personality. Tali's a very shy insecure girl with almost a teenage like attitude, and she's a quarin, physically visible yet always hiding. Miranda is someone who prides herself on her perfection and doesn't shy away from it in the face of anyone, no matter the circumstance, and she wears form fitting suits which project that. Mordin's a doctor and is alwys dressed in a lab coat  and has medical equipment (at least I assume that's what his forearm and neck dressings are). Allers' choice of dress reflects the character's personality.

lol still on about the dress:lol:? Well I guess it depends on how you approach the topic.

You said you wanted something topic relevant unless someone here read the whole leaked script and can elaborate, its all we've got to go on, and it ain't good.

[CrutchCricket]

I know we don't have much, I'm joking. I hope people still refrain from direct spoilers but I have seen comments from people who've read the leak and said they liked her character. Her performance is still up in the air.

[AuggyDoggysan]

ADLegend21 wrote...

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Then I guess she won't be writting one this time. as for her character,I've been wanting a reporter on the Normandy for a while. Now the council and Alliance can't be on the "Shepard is insane train" and call their snaity into question since we'll have proof with Chobot's character.

Still need an explanation from bioware of why she did the review when she was working there for them.

As for a reporter being on the Normandy. My Shepard has never been that concerned with how the press or others see him. Saving the galaxy and taking back Earth are his only concerns now.

She's already done a review of the game? it's not gold yet...

and for the reporter the ocuncil's been begging for proof and only did things when Shepard got solid proof. no better proof than a reporter on board with the crew. Hopefully she's more of an Emily Wong style journalist rather than an Al-jilani style reporter.

Yes I should have said preview.  You might also check this article.

How can people take her previews or reviews seriously in the future. If it is a good one, people will wonder if she has gotten a job with that developer. And if it is a bad review they could think she didn't get the job. She needs the explanation from bioware as much as anyone.

As for having a reporter on board. Why would that make any difference. The council and the Alliance have always believed what they wanted to regardless of the facts.

Modifié par AuggyDoggysan, 02 février 2012 - 01:34 .