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[Zkyire]

Technically EDI is the Normandy at this point.

And she isn't Alliance.

So it doesn't matter what rank Kaidan McBlandipants has, nothing will get done without Shepard's and EDI's approval.

[CerberusSoldier]

Omega-202 wrote...

It's gotta be the VS. You're on an Alliance ship and they're the ranking officer. Kaidan even outranks Shepard. Prior to this point, Shepard was working for a known terrorist organization. Do you really think the Alliance is going to reinstate him, hand over a state of the art ship that they consider to be their property and NOT put one of their own, loyal soldiers in as second in command?

   




thats fine but on the ship the Commanding officer is in charge not the xo . so no matter what rank kaiden or ashley is they will have to follow Shepard's orders . oh and Anderson reinstates him in the game . You may call Cerberus a terroist group but us pro human shepard players have no issue with them .

[Arkitekt]

It's the VS. Anderson gives Shepard the Normandy, and the VS is standing there, Spectre status, being substituted by Shep. VS is clearly the second in command, which gives the game a very interesting feel, mostly because of the suspicion that the VS has on Shep. Much tension ahead, and that's great news.

[Wulfram]

General User wrote...

If for no other reason than she already did an extraordinary job of serving in that role under very difficult circumstances in ME2.

She was gratuitously insulting to people, got into a stupid fight with Jack and had everyone play sardines in the shuttle, leading to the loss of the entire crew

[Descy_]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

It's gotta be the VS. You're on an Alliance ship and they're the ranking officer. Kaidan even outranks Shepard. Prior to this point, Shepard was working for a known terrorist organization. Do you really think the Alliance is going to reinstate him, hand over a state of the art ship that they consider to be their property and NOT put one of their own, loyal soldiers in as second in command?

   




thats fine but on the ship the Commanding officer is in charge not the xo . so no matter what rank kaiden or ashley is they will have to follow Shepard's orders . oh and Anderson reinstates him in the game . You may call Cerberus a terroist group but us pro human shepard players have no issue with them .

You have no problem with a group trying to kill you?
k.

[Arkitekt]

Liara is the Shadow Broker. She couldn't care less about being "second in command" in an alliance vessel. wtf are these people banging on about?

[Arppis]

Everyone realizes that your second in command can't be with you in the squad, right?

He's like Pressly was in ME1.

Modifié par Arppis, 31 janvier 2012 - 05:34 .

[Jackal7713]

Saberchic wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

What rank is Kaidan now cause he was a LT? If he's a LT Commander that doesn't out rank Sheppard.

He's a Major.

Thanks buddy. If I remember my rankings correctly, Armies Major is the equivalent to Navies LT.Commander.  A Major is under LT. Colonel which is the equivalent to a Navy Commander. Don't know the structure Bioware wrote for the Alliance military, so I might be wrong saying Kaidan is still a lower rank then Sheppard. However, according to RL military ranking he's not a higher rank.

[CrazyRah]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

What rank is Kaidan now cause he was a LT? If he's a LT Commander that doesn't out rank Sheppard.

He's a Major.

Thanks buddy. If I remember my rankings correctly, Armies Major is the equivalent to Navies LT.Commander.  A Major is under LT. Colonel which is the equivalent to a Navy Commander. Don't know the structure Bioware wrote for the Alliance military, so I might be wrong saying Kaidan is still a lower rank then Sheppard. However, according to RL military ranking he's not a higher rank.

In MEverse Kaidan is like 2 ranks above Shepard

[General User]

Wulfram wrote...

General User wrote...

If for no other reason than she already did an extraordinary job of serving in that role under very difficult circumstances in ME2.

She was gratuitously insulting to people, got into a stupid fight with Jack and had everyone play sardines in the shuttle, leading to the loss of the entire crew

Who did she insult?  Other than Jack, who in all fairness, went to Miranda looking for a fight.

[Nizzemancer]

Random Jerkface wrote...

I would imagine it'd be the VS, if going by rank alone.

Of course, in Alenko's case, that would make Shepard the second.

How exactly do you figure that? He's just an LT in ME-1 while Shep is XO (while Anderson is the CO) Then Shep becomes the CO, later Shepard becomes the first Human Spectre while retaining his Alliance rank, Alenko would stay LT and then he becomes a Spectre in ME3, no matter how you look at it Shepard always have seniority, the only time where Alenko might outrank Shepard is if you don't get your Spectre status reinstated in ME2.

OT:
Ashley Williams (I always killed off Alenko), she's got the Alliance Rank, the experiance and Spectre status, Vega can look to the stars for the XO status.

We obviously won't get to appoint an XO however, the XO should stay on the ship while we go on missions so it can't be our squadmates.

[Jackal7713]

CrazyRah wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

What rank is Kaidan now cause he was a LT? If he's a LT Commander that doesn't out rank Sheppard.

He's a Major.

Thanks buddy. If I remember my rankings correctly, Armies Major is the equivalent to Navies LT.Commander.  A Major is under LT. Colonel which is the equivalent to a Navy Commander. Don't know the structure Bioware wrote for the Alliance military, so I might be wrong saying Kaidan is still a lower rank then Sheppard. However, according to RL military ranking he's not a higher rank.

In MEverse Kaidan is like 2 ranks above Shepard

I'm glad I left his ass on virmire then. No way he's out ranking me on my ship. 

[Omega-202]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

It's gotta be the VS. You're on an Alliance ship and they're the ranking officer. Kaidan even outranks Shepard. Prior to this point, Shepard was working for a known terrorist organization. Do you really think the Alliance is going to reinstate him, hand over a state of the art ship that they consider to be their property and NOT put one of their own, loyal soldiers in as second in command?

   

thats fine but on the ship the Commanding officer is in charge not the xo . so no matter what rank kaiden or ashley is they will have to follow Shepard's orders . oh and Anderson reinstates him in the game . You may call Cerberus a terroist group but us pro human shepard players have no issue with them .

You may not have a problem with Cerberus, but the Alliance does.  

For the same reason that TIM put Miranda as Shepard's XO in ME2, Alliance command will put Kaidan or Ash as Shepard's XO for ME3.  

Sure, the VS will follow Shepard's orders but they're the eyes and ears and leash that the Alliance wants in place to make sure Shepard isn't doing anything too crazy, just like Miranda was for TIM.  

The reinstatement of Shepard has nothing to do with anything.  Nobody's arguing that Shepard's not going to be in command of the Normandy.  I'm just saying that Alliance isn't going to give you control of the ship without putting some fail-safes in place such as having one of their men/women on the inside and in a high position.  

[jcolt]

Wulfram wrote...

I liked it in ME1 when the second in command was Pressley, who didn't go on missions. It made more sense to me.

agreed really it doesn't make sense to have first in command to go on every mission its kinda like star trek that cpt would never go on every mission but o well not that big a deal.

[OccamSansRazor]

I'm fine with the VS survivor being second in command. I replace the boring-ass humans with aliens the instant I get the chance. Williams can stay on the ship, she won't be seeing any action if I can help it.

Well, that's not true. She'll see action by the way of me making out with Garrus.

[GnusmasTHX]

Do people here honestly think anyone is going to tell Shepard what to do? Especially that ******-ant Kaidan?

I don't care if he's an Admiral, my ship, my rules, or the airlock.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 31 janvier 2012 - 05:53 .

[Rudy Lis]

incinerator950 wrote...

Doesn't matter, can be a randomized Fish magnet on a Jelly pole.

Now I understand how my regiment's 2IC was chosen...


As answer to TS question I'll ask couple of things myself: what role that 2IC will play? Someone who will "take bridge" while Shepard is away or just saying to someone "I'm Shepard's second in command, on this ship we follow orders" (so basically nothing)? Will it be just some label slapped on someone's chest, a-la those hockey C/A on jerseys? Or you seriously can relay some duties (like that shopping or route plotting (though this is navigator's duty)) to that person?

From logical point of view there are only two candidates - either Williams, whose profile suggests that she has good leading skills (but not sure about organizing and management skills), or Alenko, whose profile I cannot remember, but I doubt he earned his then lieutenant rank just for being brown noser. I'd vote for Alenko.

Garrus is good guy and definitely have good head on his shoulders, but being 2IC on ship is probably not for him, though as ground team detail 2IC he could be ideal (AFAIR that was Alenko role in ME1). Plus, I don't thing it would be wise to distract Garrus from calibrations... Gee, after I've seen Haasth's movie, I can't stop laughing hearing this word.

There is also Vega with his lieutenant rank, but I don't know a thing about him (and please, spare me of details, I've had more than enough spoilers on these boards; thank you). My suggestion - he is "placeholder" in case Garrus has died.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 31 janvier 2012 - 05:57 .

[Omega-202]

jcolt wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I liked it in ME1 when the second in command was Pressley, who didn't go on missions. It made more sense to me.

agreed really it doesn't make sense to have first in command to go on every mission its kinda like star trek that cpt would never go on every mission but o well not that big a deal.

It really doesn't make sense to have the CO on every ground mission, but that's how they're able to put Shepard in full control of the story.  

I do agree that a non-combat XO would be ideal if you have a combat CO.  The problem is, who's the ranking non-combat officer on the Normandy SR-2?  Chakwas?  Joker?  Not likely and also possible deserters between ME1 and 2.  

Unless they introduce a new ship-bound, loyal Alliance officer XO character, the only logical choice is the VS.  

[Thoth_Amon]

Wrex 4 lyfe

[incinerator950]

The problem here is the XO is always below the current rank of the CO. Kaiden outranks Shepard now, so it will probably be someone else. I'm actually expecting, and not expecting the VS to be the XO. Kaiden is a Major, which puts him one rank above him. He is the equivalent of a Captain. (doesn't look like the Alliance Marines/Navy have a colonel)

[andy6915]

This is a good link if you want to figure out Kaiden's rank compared to Shepard's.

Alliance Navy/Marines Ranks
Serviceman 3rd class / Private 2nd class
Serviceman 2nd class / Private 1st class
Serviceman 1st class / Corporal

NCOs
Service Chief
Gunnery Chief
Operations Chief

Officers
2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain / Major
Read Admiral / General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

He's a major now, and Shepard is a lieutenant commander. So yes, Kaiden is very much in fact 2 ranks higher.

[Descy_]

andy69156915 wrote...

This is a good link if you want to figure out Kaiden's rank compared to Shepard's.

Alliance Navy/Marines Ranks
Serviceman 3rd class / Private 2nd class
Serviceman 2nd class / Private 1st class
Serviceman 1st class / Corporal

NCOs
Service Chief
Gunnery Chief
Operations Chief

Officers
2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain / Major
Read Admiral / General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

He's a major now, and Shepard is a lieutenant commander. So yes, Kaiden is very much in fact 2 ranks higher.

What about the fact That Shepard's been a Spectre longer than Kaidan- Does that not outrank him?

[Rudy Lis]

incinerator950 wrote...

The problem here is the XO is always below the current rank of the CO. Kaiden outranks Shepard now, so it will probably be someone else. I'm actually expecting, and not expecting the VS to be the XO. Kaiden is a Major, which puts him one rank above him. He is the equivalent of a Captain. (doesn't look like the Alliance Marines/Navy have a colonel)

Agree. Although Shepard could be offered promotion (Alenko jumped from Staff lieutenant to Major and Williams from Gunnery Chief to 2nd Lt in three (or so) years, a way too fast jump, IMHO, even for full-scale war time), or temporary promotion. Not sure if Bioware ever worried creating all required Field Manuals and Regulations.

Plus, Shepard could be reinstated in his Spectre status and Normandy could be officially issued to him. Though it's practically his anyway.

[General User]

Omega-202 wrote...
It really doesn't make sense to have the CO on every ground mission[...]

It does if they're the CO of a special forces unit, ditto that unit's XO.  And that's how I look at Shepard, as a commando with his own ship, not so much as a conventional naval officer. 

To use a modern analogy, I look at the Normandy as being much closer to a helicopter than an ocean going warship.  The Normandy serves to get Team Shepard to and from the battle site and support them while they're there.