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[Zkyire]

It's also complete BS.

Shepard becomes a Spectre and stays the same rank.

Kaidan becomes a Spectre and jumps multiple ranks in one go?

[Niulus Kriyk]

What about Joker?

Arppis wrote...

Everyone realizes that your second in command can't be with you in the squad, right?

He's like Pressly was in ME1.

You do realize that Miranda was your XO in ME2 and she was in your squad.

Modifié par YungD815, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:07 .

[Zkyire]

YungD815 wrote...

What about Joker?

Arppis wrote...

Everyone realizes that your second in command can't be with you in the squad, right?

He's like Pressly was in ME1.

You do realize that Miranda was your XO in ME2 and she was in your squad.

Also doesn't make sense.

The XO is in command of the ship while the CO is off ship.

It makes no sense for both the CO and XO to be off ship at the same time.

[Rudy Lis]

Zkyire wrote...

It's also complete BS.

Shepard becomes a Spectre and stays the same rank.

Kaidan becomes a Spectre and jumps multiple ranks in one go?

He and Ashley were promoted while Shepard being dead. They both are not spectres during ME2, AFAIK.

Zkyire wrote...

Also doesn't make sense.

The XO is in command of the ship while the CO is off ship.

It makes no sense for both the CO and XO to be off ship at the same time.

Well, that's why there is chain of command. If there are no 3rd officer, that could be any superior officer or NCO.

Not that I disagree with you - placing all eggs into same basket is risky. But even on ground team there is usually another 2IC (even if ground team consists of 3 persons).

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:14 .

[Omega-202]

General User wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...
It really doesn't make sense to have the CO on every ground mission[...]

It does if they're the CO of a special forces unit, ditto that unit's XO.  And that's how I look at Shepard, as a commando with his own ship, not so much as a conventional naval officer. 

To use a modern analogy, I look at the Normandy as being much closer to a helicopter than an ocean going warship.  The Normandy serves to get Team Shepard to and from the battle site and support them while they're there.

Sure that would make sense if the Normandy was still a small stealth frigate that's meant to just act as a shuttle for Shepard's missions.  

But the SR-2 is a fully tricked out war-vessel.  Its got the most advanced guns, shields and armor available.  Its the fastest, quietest ship in Council space.  It can go toe-to-toe with Reaper teched out ships and win in a fair fight.  

At some point, the helicopter analogy breaks down.  

[S.A.K]

IsaacShep wrote...

Considering Kaidan outranks Shep, I don't think Shep will be the one chosing 2nd in command

Actually Kaidan is equal in rank to Shepard. Lieutenant commander is similar in rank level to Major. Kaidan is dead to me anyway.

Modifié par S.A.K, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:17 .

[Descy_]

Omega-202 wrote...

General User wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...
It really doesn't make sense to have the CO on every ground mission[...]

It does if they're the CO of a special forces unit, ditto that unit's XO.  And that's how I look at Shepard, as a commando with his own ship, not so much as a conventional naval officer. 

To use a modern analogy, I look at the Normandy as being much closer to a helicopter than an ocean going warship.  The Normandy serves to get Team Shepard to and from the battle site and support them while they're there.

Sure that would make sense if the Normandy was still a small stealth frigate that's meant to just act as a shuttle for Shepard's missions.  

But the SR-2 is a fully tricked out war-vessel.  Its got the most advanced guns, shields and armor available.  Its the fastest, quietest ship in Council space.  It can go toe-to-toe with Reaper teched out ships and win in a fair fight.  

At some point, the helicopter analogy breaks down.  

Enemy AC-130 above!

[Jackal7713]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Do people here honestly think anyone is going to tell Shepard what to do? Especially that ******-ant Kaidan?

I don't care if he's an Admiral, my ship, my rules, or the airlock.

^ This:O  

A couple of slaps and he'll be whining about a headache. Then the airlock.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:24 .

[Rudy Lis]

Omega-202 wrote...

At some point, the helicopter analogy breaks down.  

Think of it like C-130 or C-5, capable of flying for very-very long and able to dock and drop smaller crafts - like "helicopters". Yes, C-130 or C-5 are no fighters, but still, imagine something. Think of Tarawa.

[Labrev]

ROFL. The stupidity is strong with this thread.

[Indoctrinated Spectre]

I don't know about you guys but my Shepard was reinstated as Spectre, and it does carry over to ME3 with some implications.

Anyway, based on skill and reliability, obviously Garrus should be number two on everyone's list. In fact, I think the fact that he serves under Shepard kinda halts Garrus' own progression as a natural leader.

[Rudy Lis]

Indoctrinated Spectre wrote...

Anyway, based on skill and reliability, obviously Garrus should be number two on everyone's list. In fact, I think the fact that he serves under Shepard kinda halts Garrus' own progression as a natural leader.

Aaa! Shadow broker in topic!

[General User]

Omega-202 wrote...

General User wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...
It really doesn't make sense to have the CO on every ground mission[...]

It does if they're the CO of a special forces unit, ditto that unit's XO.  And that's how I look at Shepard, as a commando with his own ship, not so much as a conventional naval officer. 

To use a modern analogy, I look at the Normandy as being much closer to a helicopter than an ocean going warship.  The Normandy serves to get Team Shepard to and from the battle site and support them while they're there.

Sure that would make sense if the Normandy was still a small stealth frigate that's meant to just act as a shuttle for Shepard's missions.  

But the SR-2 is a fully tricked out war-vessel.  Its got the most advanced guns, shields and armor available.  Its the fastest, quietest ship in Council space.  It can go toe-to-toe with Reaper teched out ships and win in a fair fight.  

At some point, the helicopter analogy breaks down.  

At some point all analogies break down. But consider how the Normandies have been used so far and what makes the SR-2 different from other Normandy-class frigates.

Don't mistake capability for purpose. The SR-2 is a fully tricked out transport. Built by a shadowy black-ops group to recruit, deliver (including neutralizing space going opposition), and support a multiracial commando team in conditions that range from highly dangerous to completely unknown.

Modifié par General User, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:26 .

[BatmanPWNS]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Do people here honestly think anyone is going to tell Shepard what to do? Especially that ******-ant Kaidan?

I don't care if he's an Admiral, my ship, my rules, or the airlock.

No offence but:

[incinerator950]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

It's also complete BS.

Shepard becomes a Spectre and stays the same rank.

Kaidan becomes a Spectre and jumps multiple ranks in one go?

He and Ashley were promoted while Shepard being dead. They both are not spectres during ME2, AFAIK.

Zkyire wrote...

Also doesn't make sense.

The XO is in command of the ship while the CO is off ship.

It makes no sense for both the CO and XO to be off ship at the same time.

Well, that's why there is chain of command. If there are no 3rd officer, that could be any superior officer or NCO.

Not that I disagree with you - placing all eggs into same basket is risky. But even on ground team there is usually another 2IC (even if ground team consists of 3 persons).

No, Alenko was promoted to Commander in ME 2 in the course of two years.  Williams was promoted to Operations Chief.  Then, in ME 3, roughly six months later, they earn Spectre status, and Ashley somehow jumps through a massive promotion and a comission, and makes four officer ranks.  Kaiden is promoted over Shepard, and is a Major,  the ME SA equivilant of Captain, which probably indicates his staff position as a ground Marine. 

By what I'm used to, Major is the equivilant of Commander, and Colonel (doesn't exist in ME ) is the equivilant of Captain (Navy).  

Modifié par incinerator950, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:33 .

[Wolf]

IsaacShep wrote...

Considering Kaidan outranks Shep, I don't think Shep will be the one chosing 2nd in command

Actually, Major is an Army rank, while Commander is Navy. Although technically I would imagine Shep still outranks Kaidan, since the Army equivalent to the Navy's Commander is Lieutenant Colonel.

Kaidan is a Major now, so...

Modifié par Gaiden96, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:29 .

[incinerator950]

Gaiden96 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Considering Kaidan outranks Shep, I don't think Shep will be the one chosing 2nd in command

Actually, Major is an Army rank, while Commander is Navy. Although technically I would imagine Shep still outranks Kaidan, since the Army equivalent to the Navy's Commander is Lieutenant Colonel.

Kaidan is a Major now, so...

ENLISTED

• Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
  
• Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
  
• Serviceman 1st class/Corporal
  

NCOs

• Service Chief
  
• Gunnery Chief
  
• Operations Chief
  

OFFICERS

• 2nd Lieutenant
  
• 1st Lieutenant
  
• Staff Lieutenant
  
• Lieutenant Commander
  
• Staff Commander
  
• Captain/Major
  
• Rear Admiral/General
  
• Admiral
  
• Fleet Admiral
  

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Miranda, Ash or Garrus

[Rudy Lis]

incinerator950 wrote...

No, Alenko was promoted to Commander in ME 2 in the course of two years.

 

AFAIR he was Staff Commander during ME2, thus outranking Shepard already. 1 rank per year is a bit too much for no war time (at least officially). 

incinerator950 wrote...

Williams was promoted to Operations Chief.  Then, in ME 3, roughly six months later, they earn Spectre status, ad Ashley somehow jumps through a massive promotion and a comission, and makes four officer ranks. 

Four? Isn't she 2nd Lt - first officer's rank in ME universe? Still, 2 ranks, plus officer commission (I wonder, battlefield or not?) in two years.

incinerator950 wrote...

Kaiden is promoted over Shepard, and is a Major, supposingly the ME SA equivilant of Major, which probably indicates his staff position as a ground Marine.  According to what I'm seeing, Major is equivilant of a SA Navy Captain.

That makes sense, he was Marines detail commander on Normandy in ME1
  

incinerator950 wrote...

By what I'm used to, Major is the equivilant of Commander, and Colonel (doesn't exist in ME ) is the equivilant of Captain (Navy).  

Yeah, Bioware definitely ignored their homework, their ranks are... mishmashed and weird, at best.

[RainyDayLover]

Garrus or Ashley.

It would be awesome to have another alien 2nd in command....and Garrus is the best man for the job.

Modifié par RainyDayLover, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:39 .

[SheppardJohn]

I hope there will be Armando Baily like on battlestar galactica cause this job would be perfect for him xd

[darthnick427]

Yeah Garrus is and has always been my second in command regardless of who was technically second in command. So Garrus is my XO no one else could do my job but him

[incinerator950]

Rudy Lis wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

No, Alenko was promoted to Commander in ME 2 in the course of two years.

 

AFAIR he was Staff Commander during ME2, thus outranking Shepard already. 1 rank per year is a bit too much for no war time (at least officially). 

incinerator950 wrote...

Williams was promoted to Operations Chief.  Then, in ME 3, roughly six months later, they earn Spectre status, ad Ashley somehow jumps through a massive promotion and a comission, and makes four officer ranks. 

Four? Isn't she 2nd Lt - first officer's rank in ME universe? Still, 2 ranks, plus officer commission (I wonder, battlefield or not?) in two years.

incinerator950 wrote...

Kaiden is promoted over Shepard, and is a Major, supposingly the ME SA equivilant of Major, which probably indicates his staff position as a ground Marine.  According to what I'm seeing, Major is equivilant of a SA Navy Captain.

That makes sense, he was Marines detail commander on Normandy in ME1
  

incinerator950 wrote...

By what I'm used to, Major is the equivilant of Commander, and Colonel (doesn't exist in ME ) is the equivilant of Captain (Navy).  

Yeah, Bioware definitely ignored their homework, their ranks are... mishmashed and weird, at best.

If you watched the Beta, they announced that Ashley is a Lt. Commander.  Shepard is a Staff Commander.  Kaiden was of equal rank to Shepard in ME 2.  She went from the final Enlisted rank into a Commission, no big deal.  The deal is she jumped into four Officer ranks, in six months. 

They didn't fail the homework, they made up their own military rank structure using Marine and Navy ranks.  It's not a direct copy of the US/Canadian militiaries. 

[oberst2]

1.for me garrus its first for xo

2. hope and encounter weare the vs quation you right to commandand is try to take command off the normady frome sheperd the ranegade option is to threat to space vs and any alliance crew member who step out off line i

3 the normadie its more like and submarine
¤ subarine its stealthy atack platform
¤ american atack sub to carrie and support commando teams and rubber bout and/or smal sub for the spec ops
¤ in the past some subs like the japanes I-400 and german IX d2 monsun do carry aircraft

[incinerator950]

oberst2 wrote...

1.for me garrus its first for xo

2. hope and encounter weare the vs quation you right to commandand is try to take command off the normady frome sheperd the ranegade option is to threat to space vs and any alliance crew member who step out off line i

3 the normadie its more like and submarine
¤ subarine its stealthy atack platform
¤ american atack sub to carrie and support commando teams and rubber bout and/or smal sub for the spec ops
¤ in the past some subs like the japanes I-400 and german IX d2 monsun do carry aircraft

...How does the Normandy's stealth designation help with picking an Excecutive Officer?

That would be interesting, but just because Kaiden outranks Shepard doesn't mean he would have the authority to order him around whenever he liked.  Shepard is the current Commanding Officer for the Normandy.  Officers don't subvert commands, even by one rank.  Also, Kaiden and Ashley have a lot of respect for Shepard.