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[LaurenShepard-N7]

So I'm new to this game, and I got sucked in to the whole romance with Alistair, and I get to the Landsmeet and I make him King, and he can't marry me because I don't have noble blood (I'm human but I chose to be a mage) so I'm like ok this sucks but he'll still want to be with me anyway. Then afterwards he breaks up with me!! :crying:All that build up, all that "I love you so much you're the first woman I've spent the night with yada yada" and then it's over just like that? Dragon Age wiki said if I did his personal quest and told him "nobody can make the king do what he doesn't want to do", then he'll still want to be with me, and I did both those things! Should I just go back to earlier save and do the Landsmeet again and make Anora queen? I don't know if it will be the same though.

[theskymoves]

There is a certain choice you need to make in the course of his personal quest that determines whether you can convince him to keep your Warden as his mistress. But I can't tell you what it is, because this is a No Spoilers board. 


pax~
tsm

Modifié par theskymoves, 01 février 2012 - 05:14 .

[caradoc2000]

Love is painful.

[Deano1981]

Rule of thumb, if you're not noble, dont make him king. A King does what he HAS to not what he WANTS to. After I ruined the landsmeet first time I got dumped too, so I killed the archdemon myself and let Alistair defend the gates. I for one felt a little better.

[galelabriel]

Its 2012, and my boy Alistair is still breaking ****es hearts.

We need an "Alistair dumped me" support group around here already. I'm kidding. I love your girls passion for this guy and game.

In all seriousness, like tsm says... its all in the dialogue you choose during Alistairs personal quest. That's probably a long way back for you by now

[Merilsell]

Alistair...breaking hearts since 2009. Heh.

Actually it is not rocket science to get your happy ending with him and this is coming from someone who prefers to romance him with every F!Warden BUT a Cousland (She belongs to Zev, sorry Al) It is all a matter of doing the right choices and not whining about not playing a Cousland. Period. You can have your cake and even eat it too. It is really that simple.

My Mahariel for example is a very happy Dalish to have him in her life.

Also my Wardens do love to get trapped by Alistair...especially in a tent alone with him. There he can be a devil to his heart's content

[Klidi]

I never romanced Alistair that far intentionally, but I did activate his romance once after we arrived in Denerim - without knowing I did it (as my PC was a guy, I think it was a bug). And after the Landsmeet he came and dumped me. It was rather weird, but it actually made me respect him more. He was willing to sacrifice his love and happiness to be a good king for his people, rather than selfishly follow his own desires. For me, it was in fact a redeeming moment for him. Then again, I did not really romance him, maybe it would be different if I did.

[LT123]

Since it's apparently your first playthrough, I suggest sticking with it instead of reloading. There's always the next time around. You're most of the way through the game, so be careful while looking around on the wiki or forums so the ending isn't spoiled for you.

@Kilidi- That is a truly bizarre bug. Haven't seen that one.

[Merilsell]

Nizaris1 wrote...

klidi wrote...

He was willing to sacrifice his love and happiness to be a good king for his people, rather than selfishly follow his own desires.

I loled at this....

How about the PC happiness and desire...? Isn't that selfish?

Selfish would be if he would go through with the relationship, even though he knows it has no future and can't be although he wishes otherwise. It might be harsh in this moment, but eventually the Warden will be able to move on. It is better to end it there, knowing it couldn't be than to go through with it and cause even greater pain years later. I'm one who is critical toward the mistress ending, knowing that it most likely will end in disaster as soon Alistair needs to find a wife to produce an heir. Alistair is not that kind of guy who can be married and have a woman on the side for long, especially when a child is (later) involved. So the mistress thing is bound to eventually end ugly and painful for both. 

Then again, I don't see the Cousland/Alistair marriage not as happy end either, since the pressure of getting an heir will be pretty high and canonically seen it should be nigh impossible for Cousland to get pregnant, so yeah.

The only way I can see the both Warden get really happy with each other is to not make Alistair king and hop off to Wardening together. A king is never his own, he belongs to the country and its people and is bound to his duty. But if Alistair stays a Warden, he is free and can love whoever he wants and do whatever he wants, including mandatory occasional darkspawn slaying, of course.

BTW: It is the direct opposite of selfish when you sacrifice your own personal happiness for the sake of ruling a country. Or to say it with Princess Bride's words: You keep using that word...I don't think it means what you think it means. Look it up.

Ah well here have Meri's special service today: 

selfish [sel-fish] adjective

1.devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.

2.characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives.

There you go. 

Modifié par Merilsell, 04 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I find it fascinating that the one time Alistair demonstrates reason and strength of will, he gets hated
I blame it on the over-sensationalized romantic BS of our age

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 février 2012 - 10:15 .

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I find it fascinating that the one time Alistair demonstrates reason and strength of will, he gets hated

You find it fascinating that people hate someone who dumps them publicly for something as stupid as "oh noes, I am a King now and I can't have a mistress!!"?

Yeah, we operate on different wavelengths (though that's hardly surprising... )

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I find it fascinating that the one time Alistair demonstrates reason and strength of will, he gets hated

You find it fascinating that people hate someone who dumps them publicly for something as stupid as "oh noes, I am a King now and I can't have a mistress!!"?

Yes, because kingly responsability is not stupid. And one would think that people would respect the fact that Alistair wouldn't take a mistress and then a seperate wife. Would that be fair to either? Would you prefer him to take wife solely to be a baby making machine and not give her any love as he reserves it for his mistress on the side?

I personally wouldn't mind, unless the Warden in question is an elf or a mage, as that invites unnecessary controversy. But I am surprised that you wouldn't mind.

[Klidi]

Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I find it fascinating that the one time Alistair demonstrates reason and strength of will, he gets hated

You find it fascinating that people hate someone who dumps them publicly for something as stupid as "oh noes, I am a King now and I can't have a mistress!!"?

Yeah, we operate on different wavelengths (though that's hardly surprising... )

Actually, you CAN become Alistair's mistress... if your PC doesn't mind to be always the second one and hated and despised by the queen, the heir once it's born and most of the population. Such was the reality of mistresses, you know.

And I don't find Alistair's reasons stupid. He's wants to secure the peace and stability in the country - controversial marriage with an elf or a mage that can't bear him an heir can't provide that. And let's not forget that if he's a king, it's because PC pushed him into it. But when he actually tries to become a good king and behaves as an adult and responsible man, he's suddenly stupid and hated?

I admit that until then I saw Alistair mostly as a brat who avoids responsibility - a good friend, yes, but not a good king; one who always needs to be led by the hand. But with this, he showed that he is able to make difficult decisions, like a king, and got my respect.

[Jedimaster88]

I´ve never played this scenario, but I have seen some videos about it.

Cant Alistair just name someone worthy for the throne when the time comes? That way no need to get a wife and all that stuff and he can be with the woman he TRULY loves. Isnt a king supposed to make decisions and others obey him? If he doesnt want a wife, then he will not get a wife. That simple. Yes some will propably complain about bloodline and all but then he just reminds them of their place.

In my opinion it is a little stupid thing to do, because he becomes king and he can decide for himself, no matter what someone says. He rules and decides, NOT the other way around. There is more to life than just duty etc. As a king you CAN have happines and pleasure in your life even if you do your duty. Either that or I simply have a very different point of view about being a king than the rest of you.

Reminds me of Maric. He did his duty for Ferelden and his life seemed pretty miserable because of that. Everyone just demanded things from him and expected all from him. People like Loghain and the nobility. Did no one care about what HE wanted or what he had to say? It certainly seems that way.

Modifié par Jedimaster88, 05 février 2012 - 08:53 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Jedimaster88 wrote...
In my opinion it is a little stupid thing to do, because he becomes king and he can decide for himself, no matter what someone says. He rules and decides, NOT the other way around. There is more to life than just duty etc. As a king you CAN have happines and pleasure in your life even if you do your duty. Either that or I simply have a very different point of view about being a king than the rest of you.

Abd al-Rahman III: "I have now reigned above fifty years in victory or peace; beloved by my subjects, dreaded by my enemies, and respected by my allies. Riches and honours, power and pleasure, have waited on my call, nor does any earthly blessing appear to have been wanting to my felicity. In this situation, I have diligently numbered the days of pure and genuine happiness which have fallen to my lot: they amount to Fourteen"

That's the difference between a great king and leader, and one which history will barely remember.

Leadership is ultimately a sacrifice. It was never meant to let people do whatever the hell they want.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 06 février 2012 - 05:33 .

[Wulfram]

Alistair could have done with bringing it up beforehand but it's a sensible enough decision.

Unfortunately never bringing anything up until it'll cause the most drama seems to be a Fereldan trait.

[Jedimaster88]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Leadership is ultimately a sacrifice. It was never meant to let people do whatever the hell they want.

Of course there are responsibilities but does that mean that you should automatically throw away all the good things in your life, the things that give you happiness? By all means if you prefer living in misery and as a slave for other peoples´ demands  for the rest of your life. Its about making the best of what you´ve got. Its better to live well than just live.

Alistair makes things better for the elves even when it causes scandal among the nobility and some other things. He didnt let that stop him and for that I respect him. He showed that he can decide for himself. Why not go all the way? Name someone worthy for the throne and dont get married. You can be a good king AND be with the woman you love. People tend to have a habbit of making things more difficult than they actually are.

Modifié par Jedimaster88, 06 février 2012 - 08:49 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Not automatically no. But when these things are not only unnecessary, but provide unnecessary controversy and little reward in return (ie, emancipating elves doesn't fall in that category), then the wise king should sacrifice his own happiness if it's for the good of the nation.

Ultimately, it's not that relevant to Alistair's case. His position seems to be more about personal principles and I respect the fact that he upheld them. I never saw him as one for duty, regardless of the image he likes to project, nor that rational a being.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 06 février 2012 - 09:57 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Not automatically no. But when these things are not only unnecessary, but provide unnecessary controversy and little reward in return (ie, emancipating elves doesn't fall in that category), then the wise king should sacrifice his own happiness if it's for the good of the nation.

Or if the wise king wants happiness he shouldn't become king the bloody first place.

[maxernst]

@Jedimaster88, you seem to vastly overrate the power of a King. In most systems (and certainly in medieval Europe), their power was far from absolute. They were not above the law and were frequently forced to compromise their own wishes in order to avoid offending their vassals or the Church. And as far as naming your successor, some kings did do that, but the result was very often civil war after their deaths.

[Corker]

maxernst wrote...
 And as far as naming your successor, some kings did do that, but the result was very often civil war after their deaths.

Edward the Confessor:  *gasp*  Harold Godwinson is my heir!  *gasp* *dies*

IRL Landsmeet: We love Harold!  He's the king!

William the Bastard: Nu-uh, Edward totally made *me* his heir.

Harold: Did not!

William: Did too!

Harold: Did not!  And the Witan confirmed me, so nyeh.

Harold Hardrada: I'm a Viking!

Harold Godwinson and William: Shut up.

William: You, me, Hastings, 1066.  Be there.

Harold: It's on.

Hastings, 1066:

Harold: Gaachhgurglegurgle *dies*

William: BOOYAH, y'all better start speaking the Norman French, because I am IN DA HOUSE.

Or something like that.

[Shinobu]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

So I'm new to this game, and I got sucked in to the whole romance with Alistair, and I get to the Landsmeet and I make him King, and he can't marry me because I don't have noble blood (I'm human but I chose to be a mage) so I'm like ok this sucks but he'll still want to be with me anyway. Then afterwards he breaks up with me!! :crying:All that build up, all that "I love you so much you're the first woman I've spent the night with yada yada" and then it's over just like that? Dragon Age wiki said if I did his personal quest and told him "nobody can make the king do what he doesn't want to do", then he'll still want to be with me, and I did both those things! Should I just go back to earlier save and do the Landsmeet again and make Anora queen? I don't know if it will be the same though.

I sympathize -- it's pretty awful, isn't it?

I have instructions on how to keep him here. Just go to the "show more tab." Sorry for choppy video quality. You may need to have more cunning/coercion in addition to hardening him.