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[shepskisaac]

Digitalis32 wrote...

I wish there were more romance scenes too. Without giving too much of the game plot away there is a rather depressing moment on Illium in ME3. I thought Shep would be looking for at least a hug or more rigorous but tender affection, but at that point all Cortez can come up with is: "Get out of here…I like the view as you walk away"

Gee thanks Steve,next time you come to the cabin you can sleep on the couch.

That moment really irritates me. I romanced Steve and Kaidan and neither of them had any support words to say to my Shep after Thessia. Instead, Garrus got the support conversation. Great... As if I needed even more Garrus and not my LIs after waiting 2 games for them

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(and no, this FemShep ain't trying to romance Steve, she loves him like a brother )

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 mai 2012 - 01:57 .

[Chun Hei]

Tiberis wrote...

Yeah I've said something similar somewhere else (probably the Kaidan thread). Don't know why they didn't include it. Maybe it could be part of a larger romance-related DLC. That LI appreciation thing was finished, I don't know if they sent it off to the BioWare peeps or not, but that should at least get them to consider such a DLC.

I think it stinks that a LI does not "live" in the Captain's quarters even though the crew KNOWS Shepard has a boy/girlfriend. Abispa said that Samanth and female Shepard make suggestive comments during the game that they are continuing to fool around. If I was Shepard I would be sexing Garrus, Steve and/or Kaidan after EVERY mission they survived. I do not need love scenes after every mission just a line or two of dialogue that shows that the LI at least spends the night occasionally.

[Chun Hei]

IsaacShep wrote...

That moment really irritates me. I romanced Steve and Kaidan and neither of them had any support words to say to my Shep after Thessia. Instead, Garrus got the support conversation. Great... As if I needed even more Garrus and not my LIs after waiting 2 games for them

Well you know I love Garrus but you are right about Steve. And I found it a little creepy that all I could get out of Kaidan were Zaeed-style lines about how he was filled with rage and wanted to tear Cerberus operatives apart with his bare hands. It made me wonder if the VA had accidentally got ahold of Jack's script.

[shepskisaac]

Chun Hei wrote...

I think it stinks that a LI does not "live" in the Captain's quarters even though the crew KNOWS Shepard has a boy/girlfriend. Abispa said that Samanth and female Shepard make suggestive comments during the game that they are continuing to fool around. If I was Shepard I would be sexing Garrus, Steve and/or Kaidan after EVERY mission they survived. I do not need love scenes after every mission just a line or two of dialogue that shows that the LI at least spends the night occasionally.

Shortez and Shenko also have ambient lines that make it clear that they're having sex regulary (not just before final mission). BTW where's Abispa? 

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 mai 2012 - 02:00 .

[Chun Hei]

IsaacShep wrote...

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(and no, this FemShep ain't trying to romance Steve, she loves him like a brother )

I love it.



My female Shepard loves him as well and wishes she could tell him to perform his on ship duties wear nothing but a loincloth. Him AND Vega dammit. Just because they are not available does mean she should let all that man-meat go to waste.

[shepskisaac]

Chun Hei wrote...

My female Shepard loves him as well and wishes she could tell him to perform his on ship duties wear nothing but a loincloth. Him AND Vega dammit. Just because they are not available does mean she should let all that man-meat go to waste.

I like the way your FemShep thinks and I totally agree My ManShep would order new "uniforms" for all male crew members regardless if they like it or not Except for Garrus

[Chun Hei]

IsaacShep wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

I think it stinks that a LI does not "live" in the Captain's quarters even though the crew KNOWS Shepard has a boy/girlfriend. Abispa said that Samanth and female Shepard make suggestive comments during the game that they are continuing to fool around. If I was Shepard I would be sexing Garrus, Steve and/or Kaidan after EVERY mission they survived. I do not need love scenes after every mission just a line or two of dialogue that shows that the LI at least spends the night occasionally.

Shortez and Shenko also have ambient lines that make it clear that they're having sex regulary (not just before final mission). BTW where's Abispa? 

Working late mostly when he is not  playing the game. He said he stops by occasionally but has not found a lot of threads he can jump into like the raging s/s thread. He hates talking about the ending and said that the more he talks to fellow Ashley fans about her content the more unhappy he is with her story arc. He likes the game but did not like the ending and thinks that the Garrus and Liara romances/friendships are the only really good ones. Good as "well written and developed" not "these are my favorite LIs."

Modifié par Chun Hei, 18 mai 2012 - 02:46 .

[Digitalis32]

I think part of the problem is that Bioware really does not know how to show a gay sex scene or even what to allude to in a sex scene. Missionary position is a given for hetero scenes but should Shepard of either gender be depicted having anal sex (or allude to it)? Male Shepard can still be "manly" by allowing a woman to ride him but I sense the game makers are scared to put female and gay male Shepard in certain positions that would take away from Shepard's Alpha position in the game.

That is certainly a valid comment, and I agree. Bioware is skirting the issue on the gay sex scenes - though from what I have seen the lesbian sex scenes get significantly more screen time than the gay male sex scenes. If Bioware really wanted to portray Shepard as an alpha IMO alphas don't care if they take the submissive role in a relationship, if it is with someone you love you don't care what others think. There are many gay/straight sex positions that wouldn't rob Shepard of his hero status and still manage to keep the censors happy. Ayway, from what I have seen in gay relationships the Bottom is typically stronger and more secure person than the top - just a personal observation of gay relationship dynamics.

Let's face it, people still freak out about sex...especially those who have conservative viewpoints on it.Technologically speaking we are living in the 21st century with a value system that is still mired in the middle ages, and we have organised religion to thank for that.

In my play through of ME2, male Shepard started up a relationship with Jack, and I think that romance/sex scene was really well done. I actually really liked Jack, she was a particularly vivid character and quite memorable. However, she died when she led the second team into the Collector base..and it was sad to see Shepard run his hand over her coffin in the end. Though IMO Bioware has taken romance/relationships further than what Bethesda softworks did with their relationship material in Skyrim.

Modifié par Digitalis32, 18 mai 2012 - 02:26 .

[Chun Hei]

Digitalis32 wrote...

That is certainly a valid comment, and I agree. Bioware is skirting the issue on the gay sex scenes - though from what I have seen the lesbian sex scenes are significantly more involved then the gay male ones. If Bioware really wanted to portray Shepard as an alpha IMO alphas don't care if they take the submissive role in a relationship, if it is with someone you love you don't care what others think. There are many gay/straight positions that wouldn't rob Shepard of his hero status and still manage to keep the censors happy. And from what I have seen in gay relationships the Bottom is typically stronger and more secure person than the top - just a personal observation of gay relationship dynamics.

When hetero female Shepard does not stay on her back and take it and I feel that it because Bioware does not want it to "look" like she is being submissive and I am pretty damn sure they do not want gay male Shepard to be lying on his bed and taking it. My gawd this forum would explode if the s/s critics saw it only through YouTube.

I told a young male who likes to be PC that I would not mind if there were a scene where my female Shepard to give Kaidan a BJ while he was lying in the hospital bed to convince him she was still in love with him. My PC friend said that I should be concerned that it would promote the stereotype that women live to only service men. I told him that we do not mind servicing men we love and get immense satisfaction from successfully doing something they enjoy. Of course we expect to have the favor returned...

I think too many men see sex as a form of conquest. They "conquer" women by poking them and they think it is disgusting that a man would allowed himself to be "conquered" by another man.

[Digitalis32]

I told a young male who likes to be PC that I would not mind if there were a scene where my female Shepard to give Kaidan a BJ while he was lying in the hospital bed to convince him she was still in love with him. My PC friend said that I should be concerned that it would promote the stereotype that women live to only service men. I told him that we do not mind servicing men we love and get immense satisfaction from successfully doing something they enjoy. Of course we expect to have the favor returned...

I agree completely, that friend of yours needs a change in perspective. I personally have no issues returning the favour.

I think too many men see sex as a form of conquest. They "conquer" women by poking them and they think it is disgusting that a man would allowed himself to be "conquered" by another man.

This troglodytic view of sex is repugnant to me as well, and I have lived in a boarding college with university students I have seen this kind of behaviour countless times and the overwhelming amounts of negativity it produces. Personally, I think some guys need to get their heads screwed on straight and get it into their heads that using women purely for sex is eventually going to bite them in the arse. However I have come across women who use sex as a tool to get their way and in my mind this is just as bad. I find it perverse in the extreme to use sex as a weapon.

Modifié par Digitalis32, 18 mai 2012 - 02:42 .

[Tiberis]

Digitalis32 wrote...
I wish there were more romance scenes too. Without giving too much of the game plot away there is a rather depressing moment on Illium in ME3. I thought Shep would be looking for at least a hug or more rigorous but tender affection, but at that point all Cortez can come up with is: "Get out of here…I like the view as you walk away"

Gee thanks Steve,next time you come to the cabin you can sleep on the couch.

 
In general some more affection from your LI towards the end game would have been very welcomed. 

Digitalis32 wrote... 
+1 - I know heteronormative men who behave gayer than the gay men I know. I know gay soldiers who have seen battle, I know straight men who work as home decorators. I also know girls that some would consider "Butch" that aren't lesbians, I also have a very attractive lesbian friend who gets hit on by guys almost all the time she feels guilty about turning them down. When I met her even I made a pass at her but when she turned me down, I didn't take it personally.  Actually I thought it was funny how it happened, since then humor has been the basis of our friendship.

You prove my point well, very nice. :happy:

Chun Hei wrote...

Does video game ratings allow characters to be nude only if they have scales? The skin texture for Liara was impressive but it really bothered me that everyone else wears clothes during and after sex and even while taking a shower. I would not mind seeing Kaidan and Cortez going buff though I doubt we will EVER see a penis in a console video game. At best maybe a ME1 style butt shot. This need not apply only to gay sex as my hetero female Shepard would love to take advantage of Kaidan (maybe have her hand reach under his sheet in the hospital to see if he is functional and still interested).

 
The clothes thing was annoying. It was worse in ME2 (fully clothed, wtf). There are other ways to circumvent showing nudity while displaying that they are indeed nude. There are games that do show ****** (and rarely the vagina) but they are usually rated so that only an 18 year old (or whatever legal age is in the country) can purchase the software. Showing a penis? Hah. Our society cringes at the idea, let alone actually applying it. The penis is seen as much more risqué then any lady part. Even showing an erection through clothing typically rates a movie "X" or "M" while something that shows a fully nude female is often rated "R"; I find that very sexist to both men AND women. Honestly, a video game doesn't need to show full on sex. If you want to see that there are other venues. However I do think that showing some foreplay in the nude (hiding genitals of course) like how they did for the Liara sex scene is what most would probably like to see for their specific LI.

Also, like the way you think. 

Chun Hei wrote...
I think part of the problem is that Bioware really does not know how to show a gay sex scene or even what to allude to in a sex scene. Missionary position is a given for hetero scenes but should Shepard of either gender be depicted having anal sex (or allude to it)? Male Shepard can still be "manly" by allowing a woman to ride him but I sense the game makers are scared to put female and gay male Shepard in certain positions that would take away from Shepard's Alpha position in the game.

There is an obvious bias towards a heterosexual male. I read somewhere that someone on the BioWare team exclusively views Shepard as a straight male. This is probably not a mutually ingrained belief throughout the whole team, but it's more than likely most probably see Shepard as such regardless of their views on homosexuality or masculinity. This is a widespread political and social issue: gays are seen as feminine or emasculate. Shepard, the hero of the galaxy, can't possibly be anything but a dominant male figure. Yeah there is Femshep and that provides a whole other world to which can be viewed, so let me emphasize that I am only speaking of manshep. BioWare/EA can only do so much within the confines of social and political norm. The fact that they included real human s/s LI in the game at all is a big step that I give my biggest approval of. Though personally I view Liara as a woman no matter what which means ME has had lesbian options since the beginning, but another topic another day.

IsaacShep wrote...
I've sent a letter to that LI project asking for more Steve romance content, hopefully it will help And Dusty said he reads the thread so he definitely sees how much demand for it is here!  *fingers crossed* 

That's awesome, thanks. I share your hopes! 

IsaacShep wrote...
hahahaa omg EDI part destroyed me xDDD loved it! 

I'm half-tempted to attempt writing my own fanfic. 

IsaacShep wrote.. 
Yeah, I understand time/resources and all that but let's be honest, they had time to make a unique nude model for Liara... So these resources ain't that equally divided. Definitely hoping for some more in DLC!

I think you know by now that I verily agree with how Liara was treated. They've never done a romance-centric DLC before. Perhaps the fans can finally push BioWare to do such a thing?

Chun Hei wrote...
I think too many men see sex as a form of conquest. They "conquer" women by poking them and they think it is disgusting that a man would allowed himself to be "conquered" by another man.

A philosophy reminiscent of the Ancient Greeks and Romans. Back then homosexuality was as normal as breathing. In fact most men, even those who had wives, had male "lovers". Men did not penetrate each other as it was seen as a sign of weakness; the role of a woman and as we know, women were not equals then. Only male prostitutes actually took part in penetrative sex, but like any prostitute they were seen as "lesser" no matter what they did. I think a lot of people need to understand that sexuality is more fluid than we would like to think. It is not a black and white matter, it is every shade of gray and maybe a little bit of purple.

IsaacShep wrote...
That moment really irritates me. I romanced Steve and Kaidan and neither of them had any support words to say to my Shep after Thessia. Instead, Garrus got the support conversation. Great... As if I needed even more Garrus and not my LIs after waiting 2 games for them

When I first played through that part I was royally pissed off. First you can't kill Kai Leng. Why the **** not? In my second playthrough I downed his shields completely and even broke off a bit of his health. You can't tell me that after the shields are gone that he lives through the constant fire I and my squad are giving him. That cutscene where he drops his sword and runs after Shepard and his crew is complete BS. The part Kai Leng is walking on just happens to stay completely in tact when he retardedly fired effing missiles into the temple. AGDGHGHU!!!! I hate Kai Leng. I hate Kai Leng. I hate Kai Leng.

After all of that absolute BS, I was so expecting Shepard to just scream in bloody murder. But he just stays silent. Oh and Kaidan says nothing to him even though he's Shep's boyfriend, Liara attempts some comforting of course because it's Liara. . . 

Chun Hei wrote...
I think it stinks that a LI does not "live" in the Captain's quarters even though the crew KNOWS Shepard has a boy/girlfriend. Abispa said that Samanth and female Shepard make suggestive comments during the game that they are continuing to fool around. If I was Shepard I would be sexing Garrus, Steve and/or Kaidan after EVERY mission they survived. I do not need love scenes after every mission just a line or two of dialogue that shows that the LI at least spends the night occasionally.

It's hinted in some passive dialogue that Shepard and his/her LI do get intimate between missions. Even though the game doesn't show it, it's mentioned that space travel still takes a good number of hours. Between all that traveling, I imagine Shepard probably does a lot of things with his/her LI and of course spending time with the rest of the crew (but mostly with LI!). 

***
Man, you guys move too fast! 

[Frozen83]

I'm actually pleased with romance scenes (in DA2 style). This isn't a dating game. But I would love them to be longer with more cuddling. And I would really really really like Shepard's LI to move in with him. And perhaps a couple more scenes involving post major missions talks with them... M.

[Tiberis]

Frozen83 wrote...

I'm actually pleased with romance scenes (in DA2 style). This isn't a dating game. But I would love them to be longer with more cuddling. And I would really really really like Shepard's LI to move in with him. And perhaps a couple more scenes involving post major missions talks with them... M.

I haven't played any DA game, so I can't argue there. Don't think many see ME as a dating sim, it's not like that. If I want to simulate a fully-detailed relationship I will play The Sims. 

+1 on the moving in with Shepard. Why is Kaidan ALWAYS in the lounge (with a few exceptions)? Or Steve ALWAYS in the cargo deck. I could see Steve (or any LI) just sitting in the cabin maybe reading a book, having some coffee (or tea), if you speak to him he might comment on what he's reading or perhaps your last mission or something about feeding the fish for you this time. Doesn't have to be in there all the time, but seeing them in there gives more reason to visit your cabin other than feeding the damn fish plus the movement of the characters gives it more realism.

[Digitalis32]

There is an obvious bias towards a heterosexual male. I read somewhere that someone on the BioWare team exclusively views Shepard as a straight male. This is probably not a mutually ingrained belief throughout the whole team, but it's more than likely most probably see Shepard as such regardless of their views on homosexuality or masculinity. This is a widespread political and social issue: gays are seen as feminine or emasculate. Shepard, the hero of the galaxy, can't possibly be anything but a dominant male figure. Yeah there is Femshep and that provides a whole other world to which can be viewed, so let me emphasize that I am only speaking of manshep. BioWare/EA can only do so much within the confines of social and political norm. The fact that they included real human s/s LI in the game at all is a big step that I give my biggest approval of.

+1 here here! and again, I agree there is a largely heteronormative bias in the ME series*. Which is perhaps why Bioware chose to make the details of the gay male relationship dynamic somewhat ambiguous and chose to omit the more physical aspects in the love scenes. However they do make allusions in the love scene with Steve Cortez, at the beginning Steve places his hand on top of Shepards however Shepard is the one who pulls Steve closer when they kiss. There eare also hints in the way Steve Cortez and Shepard are seen sleeping** and later in the love scene, Shepard is seen placing his hand on top of Steve's hand which is for me gives a strong suggestion that Shepard is the active partner in the relationship. So taking that into account your theory holds tight. Personally it wouldn't change my opinion of Shepard whether he was on top or on the bottom, because no matter which end you or your partner is on: as long as it feels good, go for it.

I'm not exactly expecting Bioware to tempt scorn and show the squishier details of the gay lovemaking scenes - there are plenty of places where you can see that without paying the $69 for a game, but there are plenty ways they could depict the more physical aspects of the relationship - such as having the LI move in with Shepard that would add to the realism. Perhaps they could a random love scene every now and then with the LI spending some time in the shower, and give the player the option to stand and watch, or strip off and join in***. Or they could have a scene with the the LI having a snooze on the bed after a mission and give the player the option to hop in with them for a cuddle or leave him/her to rest.

*Though the fact that they did include same sex romance options indicates that they are slowly shrugging off the expectatation that  Shepard is straight....one step at a time people..one step at a time.

**I'm not kidding, you can tell a lot about a couple by observing they way they sleep together, and the way I read it is that Shepard is the dominant partner.

***perhaps after a mission on mars during which a dust storm hits adn if the the LI is involved in the mission he/she can be found in the shower complainging " The dust, it gets in the cracks of my armour and it gets everywhere" - there you go bioware! some free easily interchangable dialog suggestions!

Modifié par Digitalis32, 18 mai 2012 - 07:46 .

[Tiberis]

Digitalis32 wrote...

+1 here here! and again, I agree there is a largely heteronormative bias in the ME series*. Which is perhaps why Bioware chose to make the details of the gay male relationship dynamic somewhat ambiguous and chose to omit the more physical aspects in the love scenes. However in the love scene with Steve Cortez, steve places his hand on top of Shepard's however Shepard is seen pulling Steve closer when they kiss and the way Steve Cortez and Shepard are seen sleeping** and later in the love scene Shepard is seen placing his hand on top of Steve's hand which is for me gives a strong suggestion that Shepard is the active partner in the relationship. So taking that into account your theory holds tight. Personally it wouldn't change my opinion of Shepard whether he was on top or on the bottom, because no matter which end you or your partner is on: as long as it feels good, go for it.

I'm not exactly expecting Bioware to tempt scorn and show the squishier details of the gay lovemaking scenes - there are plenty of places where you can see that without paying the $69 for a game, but there are certainly ways they could depict the more physical aspects of the relationship - such as having the LI move in with Shepard that would add to the realism. Perhaps they could a random scene every now and then with the LI spending some time in the shower, and give the player the option to stand and watch, or strip off and join in. Or they could have a scene with the the LI having a snooze on the bed after a mission and give the player the option to hop in with them or leave him/her to rest.

*though the fact that they did include same sex romance options indicates that they are slowly shrugging off the expectatation that  Shepard has to be straight....one step at a time people..one step at a time.

**i'm not kidding, you can tell alot abourt a couple by observing they way they sleep together, and the way I read it is that Shepard is the dominant partner.

Baby steps indeed.

It was brought up before who would be the top or bottom with mShenko or Shortez. Really, like anything else in ME, it's a lot up to the individual to figure it out. There would be relentless bickering if they really expanded on that subject and made an effort to show who was dominant. Like I mentioned before, a little harmless foreplay and fade to black is plenty so that way it leaves most of it to your imagination (which ME fans have shown to have vivid imaginations). I liked the Shenko scene quite a bit, and was sort of let-down with Cortez's scene (a kiss and fade to black, rly?!). I don't personally see Shepard's hand placed on Cortez's to be a sign of him being the active partner, but everything is up to individual interpretation. I think I say that too much. 

[Digitalis32]

Though it does make me wonder why Bioware is taking such small steps in the first place...are they scared it might rain toads on them?

yes, much of it is all down to interpretation - which is always heavily coloured by personal experience. I too was a bit irritated at the fade to black after the kiss. Though the indication that after the meeting with Cortez at the club that there is an indication of some intimacy I found the line "If you like, next time we can try under the bed." gave me the entertaining mental picture of two pairs of feet poking out from under the commanders mattress..

I agree that having a good imagination is very important - especially when it comes to sex, but the reality is that men respond to visuals differently from women and personally I want to see more of what goes on between Shepard and Steve.

Modifié par Digitalis32, 18 mai 2012 - 08:10 .

[Tiberis]

Digitalis32 wrote...

Though it does make me wonder why Bioware is taking such small steps in the first place...are they scared it might rain toads on them?

yes, much of it is all down to interpretation - which is always heavily coloured by personal experience. I too was a bit irritated at the fade to black after the kiss. Though the indication that after the meeting with Cortez at the club that there is an indication of some intimacy I found the line "If you like, next time we can try under the bed." gave me the entertaining mental picture of two pairs of feet poking out from under the commanders mattress..

I agree that having a good imagination is very important - especially when it comes to sex, but the reality is that men respond to visuals differently from women and personally I want to see more of what goes on between Shepard and Steve.

The small steps are a necessity. It was born out of the same thing that cause the devs to pull S/S dialogue and LI options from the finished ME1 and ME2. Sort of disappointing, but understandable. So many haters and homophobes eager to jump on something like this because yanno, it could damage their children's minds!!!  Not really BioWare's fault per se, like I was saying earlier about the political and social side of it all.

The "
next time we can try under the bed" line is probably one of my most favorite lines in the game. Other than "Shepard-Commander, help us!" < <3<3 LEGION I'M COMING SWEETHEART! Oh and Joker's bit on singing the Russian national anthem and looking into the camera was pretty darn awesome (is Joker Russian? his full name sounds French or Quebecois though). 

Yeah, more Steve is better Steve. I'm sure BioWare is working on several DLC projects or ideas. Hopefully one of them is LI-related! Though the EC is taking priority, rightly so. Just a matter of time. I still have faith in the devs, a series like ME isn't going to go down that easily! 

[Digitalis32]

because yanno, it could damage their children's minds!!!

That reminds me of one of my favourite lines in KOTOR2 from HK-47 the Asassin droid:

"Answer: Oh, master, I could not allow myself to harm another. What if they have families? Or children? We must always think of the children. The littlest ones always suffer in war."

a series like ME isn't going to go down that easily!

+1 here here! I do hope that the future DLC will address the endings as well as enhance romance/relationships and add greater depth to them*... if there is a ME4 in the works I wouldn't be all that interested in it if I couldn't continue the Shepards storyline. I still play games from the late 90's just to try things differently: last year I completed One must Fall 2097 with just the jaguar. Earlier this year I did a play through of Thief II and mucked about with different approaches. I still do the same with Crysis.


*though personally I hope they address that little kid from the start of ME3 - it would be a great resolution to Shepards nightmare if the kid somehow survived that shuttle accident - you never know the story could involve Shepard and his partner adopting him, or perhaps another kid orphaned by the reapers.

oker's bit on singing the Russian national anthem and looking into the camera was pretty darn awesome

that is actually a "hunt for red october" reference...

Modifié par Digitalis32, 18 mai 2012 - 11:57 .

[Kunari801]

Frozen83 wrote...

You're no fun . But it would be... I mean... 
Oh, commander, I didn't know... ummm...
Kaidan?! Wanna join us?
Well, maybe, is there some room for another one ...
*visualizing*
I'm going to have some nice dreams tonight. M.

You're too easy to tease!  

[Kunari801]

Digitalis32 wrote...

I think part of the problem is that Bioware really does not know how to show a gay sex scene or even what to allude to in a sex scene. Missionary position is a given for hetero scenes but should Shepard of either gender be depicted having anal sex (or allude to it)? Male Shepard can still be "manly" by allowing a woman to ride him but I sense the game makers are scared to put female and gay male Shepard in certain positions that would take away from Shepard's Alpha position in the game.

That is certainly a valid comment, and I agree. Bioware is skirting the issue on the gay sex scenes - though from what I have seen the lesbian sex scenes get significantly more screen time than the gay male sex scenes. If Bioware really wanted to portray Shepard as an alpha IMO alphas don't care if they take the submissive role in a relationship, if it is with someone you love you don't care what others think. There are many gay/straight sex positions that wouldn't rob Shepard of his hero status and still manage to keep the censors happy. Ayway, from what I have seen in gay relationships the Bottom is typically stronger and more secure person than the top - just a personal observation of gay relationship dynamics.

Let's face it, people still freak out about sex...especially those who have conservative viewpoints on it.Technologically speaking we are living in the 21st century with a value system that is still mired in the middle ages, and we have organised religion to thank for that. 

In my head, my m-Shepard with either a Kaidan or Steve LI are versitle.   I can see they watned to be careful not to get the wrath of certain fake-outrage groups.  

[bas_kon]

On my 6th Shortez playthrough right now and still can't get enough lol, this time with a new Shepard. I'm eager to play the EC, since I have tons (between imported, NG+ and new) of m!shenko and Shortez playthroughs waiting for a resolution.

About dominance in same sex couples, the most different thing I noticed from being with a woman is that neither of us dominated and/or both of us did, there was no female role there, just male roles. Can't say with gays, though, since in the only m/m long term relationship I had we were both bisexual and we both enjoyed either positions. I don't think it'd be any different, though.

BTW, I agree romances should be enhanced and of course have the option to have a happy ending. It's the last time we'll get to play Shepard and romance our beloved characters for god's sake!!

[Frozen83]

Kunari801 wrote...

You're too easy to tease!  

At least I'm not easy . M.

[Digitalis32]

About dominance in same sex couples, the most different thing I noticed from being with a woman is that neither of us dominated and/or both of us did, there was no female role there, just male roles. Can't say with gays, though, since in the only m/m long term relationship I had we were both bisexual and we both enjoyed either positions. I don't think it'd be any different, though.

Interesting, the only long term relationship with a guy I have had was also a bisexual one, and neither of us was dominant over the other, we were both versatile. And no I cannot get enough of Shortez either...the facial hair is also what makes Steve more appealing to me than Kaiden. But that is a personal preference...not to mention Steve's stunning blue eyes*.

I agree, we should have the option of a happy ending...but more often than not that isn't all that realistic, I just want an ending where your in-game choices are reflected better.

*not to mention that I really like the piano part they have accompanying the Shepard/Steve romance scene towards the end - the lesbian scene doesn't get that treatment.

[Kunari801]

Digitalis32 wrote...

About dominance in same sex couples, the most different thing I noticed from being with a woman is that neither of us dominated and/or both of us did, there was no female role there, just male roles. Can't say with gays, though, since in the only m/m long term relationship I had we were both bisexual and we both enjoyed either positions. I don't think it'd be any different, though.

Interesting, the only long term relationship with a guy I have had was also a bisexual one, and neither of us was dominant over the other, we were both versatile. And no I cannot get enough of Shortez either...the facial hair is also what makes Steve more appealing to me than Kaiden. But that is a personal preference...not to mention Steve's stunning blue eyes*.

I agree, we should have the option of a happy ending...but more often than not that isn't all that realistic, I just want an ending where your in-game choices are reflected better.

*not to mention that I really like the piano part they have accompanying the Shepard/Steve romance scene towards the end - the lesbian scene doesn't get that treatment.  

You make it sound like there is a difference between how someone who's "Straight", "Bi" or "Gay" would view sex.  Some people get off on a domination kink, doesn't matter their sexual orientation.   I know many who are "straight" who have weird ideas about same-sex-sex and do assume there is one who's dominate and the other passive.  That *normally* couldn't be farther from the truth.  

I've had partners of both sexes most of them neighter of us dominated the other and some --both men and women-- who were were very passive.  Even dated one very strong-willed woman (I still wouldn't say she "dominated") she knew what, when, where and how.  She usually got her way mostly because I was also good with the what, when, where and how too.  She had a knack for finding... accessories to play with. 

[shepskisaac]

bas_kon wrote...

On my 6th Shortez playthrough right now and still can't get enough lol, this time with a new Shepard.

Dayum, Chun also already finished the game 6 times how do you guys do it? xD I only completed twice

Ohh have some Shortez


These scenes should be modified in romance version so Shep's hugging Steve and not the chair