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[Jestina]

I got Allers once on a maleshep playthrough, thankfully Liara didn't say anything...probably because I cheated on her with Ash.

I did like the Traynor romance, much better than how they handled Kelly in ME2.

[Sporothrix]

Achaewa wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

It's not Y chromosome itself that's determinant factor of sex development.
Theoretically it's possible that either Shepard or Traynor could be XY females (for example in cases of Androgen Insensitivity, Swyer Syndrome and others).

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When you create sperm cells from a females bonemarrow the child won't be male. Though this is only theoretical, maybe i should have written that.

Aside of XY females, there are also XX males, so it's not entirely true. And aside of that, there are also transpeople. 
Generally, sex development depends mainly on prenatal hormones, most genes associated with it are in fact shared by both men and women and are triggered by those hormones. Whole part of Y chromosome is containing SRY gene which is responsible for creating testes instead of ovaries, and then they produce large amount of androgens to masculinize the rest of the body. If for whatever reason those androgens won't work (for example, aside of genetical reasons, if the mother took to her organism something with anti-androgens - many pesticides have such effect), the result will be in most extreme case phenotypical female, in other, a child with ambiguous genitals. And vice versa when child with ovaries get from some source androgens during prenatal development.

[LordJeyl]

I stumbled across this video that showcases the romance between Shepard and Samantha from a camera that's much further away. And yes, he has one of Liara that's very revealing.

Link

Modifié par LordJeyl, 29 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[draken-heart]

draken-heart wrote...

so if Samantha was to get with someone besides Shepard, who would it be?

this was my question guys, my second post was jjust who i would think would work.

want you answers on this.

[Srefanius]

saw her romance on youtube and it seems to be one of the best, really need to do a playthrough with her.

[Flyers215]

SaylorRevisited wrote...

Flyers215 wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

^ i think Gabriella Daniels, if you don't romance Samantha and do not get Gabby and Ken together.

or Diana Allers if you do not romance either of them.

I also think that Gabby and Sam would be a good fit.  I like them both a lot and I think they'd get along.  

I'm not a fan of Diana Allers.  I also can't ever get her to talk to me, so I don't know how a romance with her would even be pursued.  I'd rather romance Sam anyway.

I find Allers trashy. Sam is sweet, but it really was a bit rushed. It didn't feel much like an actual relationship developing. Well then again, there is reapers everywhere so....

I also find Allers a bit trashy.  That shirt is just too - er - low class, in my opinion.

I do feel like an actual relationship was developed with Traynor.  There are a lot of "conversations" that Shepard can have with her, even if they are of the auto-conversation type. Traynor has the majority of my favourite quotations from the game including:

"I'm a military officer on a military ship, so oorah, Commander.  Let's blow them to hell."

"Just never thought I'd see a woman under all that armour."

"So suck it up, princess.  You're in the military now, and you're going to win this for us."

And especially:

"Whatever happens - I love you.  Now, go save the world... again."

That whole interaction with Traynor before leaving for Earth had me in tears.  I thought it was very well done.  I felt that the relationship got rather personal with the interactions in between missions.  Her hatred for Cerberus and her developing hatred for the Reapers (going from "I wanted to see them defeated" to "I wanted to see them blown up") was very interesting to take part in.

[hoodie_gypsy]

I really liked Sam's character and I'm really glad they put her in the game (although, I had initial misgivings about her being not-Kelly). I also appreciate how they didn't throw her at FemShep and they allowed for a natural friendship to develop if a romance wasn't going to happen. Unlike Allers who they outright lobbed at your Shepard creating awkwardness and (in most cases I've observed) disdain.

[Achaewa]

misoretu9 wrote...

Aside of XY females, there are also XX males, so it's not entirely true. And aside of that, there are also transpeople. 
Generally, sex development depends mainly on prenatal hormones, most genes associated with it are in fact shared by both men and women and are triggered by those hormones. Whole part of Y chromosome is containing SRY gene which is responsible for creating testes instead of ovaries, and then they produce large amount of androgens to masculinize the rest of the body. If for whatever reason those androgens won't work (for example, aside of genetical reasons, if the mother took to her organism something with anti-androgens - many pesticides have such effect), the result will be in most extreme case phenotypical female, in other, a child with ambiguous genitals. And vice versa when child with ovaries get from some source androgens during prenatal development.

Look i'm not the expert on the field so let's not get into a discussion on this, all i wanted to say was that it's not impossible for Samantha and Shepard to have biological children, Miranda and her sister is an example of this.

Modifié par Achaewa, 30 mars 2012 - 04:48 .

[kathic]

While I think the Tali romance is better across the series, Sam is by far the best romance in ME3. I wish they had done more with it.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

I thought Sam was just the cutest thing... though, I only wish the developers gave Kelly that kind of attention back in ME2, but that's just me.

[KingNothing125]

Sam is cute as a button. Totally.

[canarius]

Im still pissed at Bioware for not making her a bisexual

[TheAwesomologist]

canarius wrote...

Im still pissed at Bioware for not making her a bisexual

Not pissed but it would have been nice. Even for male shepard she comes off as just a cool character, her sexuality doesn't really matter. Tali is the only ME romance I've cared for, but I may have to do a femshep playthrough for Traynor. Great character considering she's limited to only one game.

[Flyers215]

canarius wrote...

Im still pissed at Bioware for not making her a bisexual

I think that video games, and BioWare games especially, need more non-physical relationships between characters.  One of the things I love most about James is that he's not always trying to get under my armour.  He's a cool friend, he's a nice guy, and he's Hispanic, which I feel is also underrepresented in video games.

Not everyone plays for both teams and not everyone is always on the prowl for other people's cash and prizes.  It's good to see games moving towards more legitimate friendships across genders.

[Monochrome Wench]

I imagine the reason that Samantha and Steve aren't bi is because of the flack bioware got over DA2 where it seemed that everyone was bi. In real life most people are straight, some people are gay and a very small number of people are bi.

That all said, if they wanted to make clearly gay and lesbian characters that they then 'let' the player turn it is likely to be offensive to a lot of people. Better not go down that path.

[Nightwriter]

Totally loved Traynor. She is so adorable. I didn't even romance her -- the friendship alone is awesomesauce.

[Zandilar]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

canarius wrote...

Im still pissed at Bioware for not making her a bisexual

Not pissed but it would have been nice. Even for male shepard she comes off as just a cool character, her sexuality doesn't really matter. Tali is the only ME romance I've cared for, but I may have to do a femshep playthrough for Traynor. Great character considering she's limited to only one game.

I wanted to say something really angry and sarcastic, but I stopped myself because I realized that it would be hypocritical of me. The number of times I wished certain heterosexual characters were at least bisexual would fill a volume a thousand pages thick. So, rather than be hypocritical, I'll just explain the WHY behind the anger.

Heterosexual characters are ubiquitous. They're everywhere. If you see a character in a computer game (and I'm not just talking about Bioware games here), you can be 99% sure that that character is straight. But non-heterosexual (by which I mean, mostly bisexual) characters are very very rare indeed. Completely homosexual characters are almost non-existant. It's very nice to see exclusively homosexual characters, and because of their rarity, I feel a very deep vicious urge to protect them from being "turned".

So... keep your grubby paws off of Sam, thanks! 

[draken-heart]

jreezy wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

Sam is cute as a button. Totally.

Indeed.

i think we all can agree on that

anyways, if Samantha and Shepard were to go on a date, where would if be?

[Achaewa]

Vancouver:P

[Sporothrix]

draken-heart wrote...

anyways, if Samantha and Shepard were to go on a date, where would if be?

Even one scene on Citadel would be nice.

[Sporothrix]

Zandilar wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

canarius wrote...

Im still pissed at Bioware for not making her a bisexual

Not pissed but it would have been nice. Even for male shepard she comes off as just a cool character, her sexuality doesn't really matter. Tali is the only ME romance I've cared for, but I may have to do a femshep playthrough for Traynor. Great character considering she's limited to only one game.

I wanted to say something really angry and sarcastic, but I stopped myself because I realized that it would be hypocritical of me. The number of times I wished certain heterosexual characters were at least bisexual would fill a volume a thousand pages thick. So, rather than be hypocritical, I'll just explain the WHY behind the anger.

Heterosexual characters are ubiquitous. They're everywhere. If you see a character in a computer game (and I'm not just talking about Bioware games here), you can be 99% sure that that character is straight. But non-heterosexual (by which I mean, mostly bisexual) characters are very very rare indeed. Completely homosexual characters are almost non-existant. It's very nice to see exclusively homosexual characters, and because of their rarity, I feel a very deep vicious urge to protect them from being "turned".

So... keep your grubby paws off of Sam, thanks! 

To tell the truth it looks like she was "turned" into lesbian option in the last moment. Before that delay in release Bioware stated that there would be no gay romances. Only just then they changed their minds. Propably she (and Steve) was supposed to be a minor character a'la Ken and Gabby. 

Unfortunately, it looks like they didn't care to put much effort into "adjusting" her, unlike with Steve. Apparently, they only changed last conversation and added tasteless sex scene (since absolutely nothing before that point suggests any romantic notions), while Steve got complete makeover and huge additional content.

But that's the usual way. They are so brave for adding gay male options what's in other games for years, and almost no one commenting Bioware's "inclusive" stance pay attention to treatment of lesbians. But in most people's eyes same sex content = gay males, lesbians are just male fantasy so why they should care too much about it, it's not the real deal like gay men are...


BTW, speaking about "turning" characters orientation. I don't remember even one case when straight character was turned bi. It was always simply assumed that they were straight since they were not romance options for same sex, not that they said that they are straigth.

When it comes to Traynor, it is showed that she's ony interested in women. Although indeed even without that there are so many straight options that it simply wouldn't be fair, or rather would be even less fair then what we've got.

Modifié par misoretu9, 31 mars 2012 - 04:45 .