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*Back in ambassador Katelynn Shepard's office*

Samantha: you ok?
Shepard: Samantha...
Samantha: what is it?
Shepard: If I take this Job, we won't be able to have that house you want
Samantha: i see
Shepard: i will turn it down if it meant that i can keep my promises.
Samantha: Do not worry about keeping that promise fully. Sure we wont get a dog or that house with a white picket fence, but our kids would be great knowing that their other mother will be the human councilor
Shepard: Well,when you put it that way, how can i refuse the offer.
*Shepard and Samantha share a kiss*

Modifié par draken-heart, 07 juillet 2012 - 03:06 .


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^it will be interesting to see who have the kids

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^ thanks i slightly altered it though to show Shepard still thinking about being councilor. Katelynn may accept the position of human councilor, with Tali as the Quarian ambassador Shepard can help with anything they need.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Out of curiosity, Did you guys feel closure to the Samantha Romance? I know that both Steve and Samantha don't get a Beam Rush goodbye scene, so did you guys still find closure to the relationship?

She's become my preferred LI for my FSheps and I thought I got some closure via the dialogue about the future that you have with her post-Cronos. In the survey, I mentioned I wanted a goodbye scene at the Citadel beam, but I don't expect to get it.


I actually mentioned something similar when I took the Survey. I see no reason why Cortez or Traynor couldn't run to the ramp and try to convince you to come inside or something like that.

By the way, Finished the game on Insanity, and Samantha wasn't in the ending. Anyone got an idea why? I didn't romance her, playing my Bro!Shepard, but I found it odd that she wasn't there. Then again, Garrus was missing too. I think Liara killed both of them so she could put Shep's name on the board. lol


interesting sam wasn't there maybe a glitch. someone mentioned that femshep should be able to talk to sam through a private comm channel wwould be just as good

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draken-heart wrote...

post-game fan fiction story:

*Sam's P.O.V.*


Do you mind if I give you some quick concrit (constructive criticism)?

(If you do mind, please ignore the rest of this... But this is probably of use to anyone who wants to write. My apologies if this comes across as overly pedantic and/or condecending.)

1) Punctuation, capitalisation, and grammar. All three need some work, particularly capitalisation.

Capitals should be used for proper nouns (names), some pronouns (such as "I"), and at the start of sentences and paragraphs.

2) Do not be afraid to use "said". It doesn't matter if your conversation goes "he said" "she said" "he said" "she said", so long as it is clear who is actually speaking. Think about how people really speak, as well.

Be aware that people don't tend to scream ("to utter a long loud piercing cry, as from pain or fear.") in words, though it does have that definition too ("to speak or write in a heated hysterical manner."). 
(For instance, when Shepard screams Samantha's name in the story, I'd have used "shouted" or "yelled" or even just "exclaimed" - though the last is definitely a more muted reaction.)  Try to be as unambiguous as possible when describing how a person is speaking.

(On the word scream, the second time you use it is perfectly acceptable since it's being used by a character in conversation in a colloquial manner.)

3) In prose, there is no need to use *x does action y* to convey action. Just describe the action - "I launched myself at Shepard, and felt warm when her arms wrapped tight around my waist." rather than *Samantha and Shepard share a loving embrace* (which is doubly odd given the story is supposed to be in the first person).

This can be summed up as "show, don't tell", the golden rule of all fiction writing. Some authors like bending this rule, but unless you're David Webber, you're not likely to get away with it.

4) Consistency. Remember what tense you're writing in, and don't switch it up. Also, remember which perspective you're writing from, and don't switch. (ETA: Actually, that last depends on the perspective you're writing from, and whether or not you've made it clear that you've switched points of view.)

5) Try to keep characters in character. You can feel free to characterize Shepard however you wish (within limits), but Samantha and Hackett have their own distinct personalities. It can be difficult to achieve this with what little characterization there is for both characters in the game, but just stop and think about how the character might react before writing. Sometimes, particularly with the "scripts" being posted in this thread, the characters just seem off, either over the top, or melodramatically so - Liara seems to bear the brunt of this. If you don't like a character, fair enough, but please don't let that bleed into your work, and end up with terrible mischaracterization.

6) If I've broken any of the points I've made while writing this, I am human and can make mistakes. My mistakes don't invalidate anything I've said, as these are pretty much the basics of good writing taught in any writing course, diploma, or degree.

Modifié par Zandilar, 07 juillet 2012 - 08:47 .


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Very sound advice.

I'm also going to offer up one more suggestion to keep the thread from becoming crowded with fan fiction that people may or may not want to read:
Let's start putting our fan fics on third party sites (Deviant Art or Tumblr or Live Journal, etc.), and provide links to said fan fiction rather than just putting the entirety of it here.

I've been working on my Sam story for a bit now, but it's still a WIP and I'll put the rest of it on Tumblr when I'm done.  I've posted the first snippet already, but I'll repost it for the new folks in the thread.

Modifié par Valorefane Dragonwinter, 07 juillet 2012 - 09:47 .


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jtav wrote...

I find myself shipping Traynor and Miranda. I actually have a few snippets if you guys want to see them. I'd love some critique on my Samantha voice.


I think Traynor and Miranda could go well together. Shame Miranda didn't join the team in ME3. I really liked your Liara/Miranda fics so I'd definitely be interested to see what you come up with for Traynor and Miranda.

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to you folks with the writing advice, my writing does suck and IT WILL NOT change. My talents aren't in writing but in other things. I didn't know we had to meet certain requirements for individuals that may find my writing or others subpar. Now, I will welcome advice on how to do fanfiction from a link or other source since I have no idea on how to do that. I came on this thread to show my support for sam. Nothing more,nothing less.

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Do you mean you don't know how to put a link in a post or you don't know where to upload fanfiction?

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Thanks Tasha. It's for the Big Bang on LJ/Tumblr. And please know that I'm doing this because I love Sam and want to do her justice. Never written her before so critique is helpful.


The photographs hadn't done Miranda Lawson justice. Fairytale princesses were fake, a construct dreamed up by an illustrator to appeal to kids and the overly romantic. Miranda was, well, real. No illustrator would make the blush on her cheeks that faint or think to add the subtle gradients of skin tone. Her hair was raggedly cut, but thick and dark. Probably lustrous when she had time to take care of it. The sort you would want to run your fingers through. Her jacket and tights were almost identical to EDI’s uniform, but it clung to Miranda the way it never did EDI. Miranda was thinner than she had been in the photographs, but she was still all curves and lean muscle. No wonder Donnelly waxed nostalgic about her time as XO. If Traynor had been in Shepard's place, she wouldn't have waited a moment to see Miranda again and explore those curves for herself.

And perhaps it was better to stop that train of thought before she made a fool of herself. Ogling your commanding officer’s girlfriend had to be against some regulation.

Miranda's lips twitched. "How nice to know that I can still command attention even in my current state."

Well, before she made an even bigger fool of herself. Heat flooded her cheeks. “I’m sorry. How terribly inappropriate of me. I’ll just…”

Miranda held up a hand. “It’s not your fault. Well, no more than it is anyone else’s. I was designed to, ah, elicit a reaction.” Her voice was clipped and aristocratic, but Traynor was fairly certain that her accent was natural and not the result of long hours with a VI diction coach like hers. "And it's worth it to finally meet the famous Comm Specialist Samantha Traynor."

Traynor was so surprised that she forgot to be humiliated. "You know who I am?"

Miranda nodded. "J—Commander Shepard talked about you. Thank you for keeping him sane in my absence. Is he coming, by the way, or are you and Chakwas's to be my only company?" For the first time, she didn't sound cold or ironic. She sounded hopeful.

"I'm sorry. He has a meeting coordinating strategy for the assault on Cronos." Traynor cringed inwardly. She sounded like Shepard's personal assistant.

Miranda flinched as if she'd been stung by a mosquito. "Of course. The mission has to come first. We'll have plenty of time to catch up later."

"He asked me to keep you company." She flushed again. "I quite understand if you don't want to spend time with the person who can’t seem to go five seconds without losing her mind." She held up the chess set. "I'll just leave this here. You can trounce Shepard at your leisure once he comes back."

"Stay." Her voice was quietly authoritative, and Traynor found herself standing still without the need to smooth her uniform. Miranda smiled again. It wasn't obviously false like Shepard’s, but it was small and tense. Tentative, as if she were trying to practice for the real thing. "I haven't had a real opponent in a long time. Why don't we play a game?" She raised an eyebrow and her voice was all irony again. "That is, unless Shepard was exaggerating your skill. You probably couldn’t keep up with me."

That did it. Traynor had never been able to resist a challenge, even from beautiful women that made her temporarily misplace her brain. "White or black?" she growled.

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Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Do you mean you don't know how to put a link in a post or you don't know where to upload fanfiction?


both and thanks for any hellp you can offer

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Here's a good post on how links work (if I've done that link wrong it'll be pretty embarrassing :mellow:).

As for where to upload fanfic, you have a few choices. You could join deviantart.com or fanfic.net or if you didn't want to sign up to a new website you could just post your fanfic as a blog on bsn.

If you have any trouble feel free to drop me a pm and I'll try my best to help.

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^thank youI will let you know how it goes

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jtav wrote...

Thanks Tasha. It's for the Big Bang on LJ/Tumblr. And please know that I'm doing this because I love Sam and want to do her justice. Never written her before so critique is helpful.

*Snip*


Nice story so far, you'll have to let us know once its finished. I think you've done a good job with Traynor. I particularly liked how she cringed at the thought of sounding like Shep's PA. I always got the impression in game that she wasn't fussed on letting Shep know about unread messages and what not. 

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Attention Traynor Fans!

Only 6 more days to cast your vote in the ME3 Romance DLC Survey. 

If you want more time with your LI, better side missions, improved character development and conversations, the chance at manking your LI a squaddie again, and many other improvements, please fill out the survey and be heard.

Click the link in my signature to access the survey!

Thanks :)

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themikefest wrote...

to you folks with the writing advice, my writing does suck and IT WILL NOT change. My talents aren't in writing but in other things. I didn't know we had to meet certain requirements for individuals that may find my writing or others subpar. Now, I will welcome advice on how to do fanfiction from a link or other source since I have no idea on how to do that. I came on this thread to show my support for sam. Nothing more,nothing less.

Yeah, writing isn't exactly my strong suit either. I'm okay with narrative, awful at dialogue. Working with already established characters is also a bit of a pain, so I won't really even attempt fan-fiction. The fact that you are shows that you are at least willing to take a chance.

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jtav wrote...

Thanks Tasha. It's for the Big Bang on LJ/Tumblr. And please know that I'm doing this because I love Sam and want to do her justice. Never written her before so critique is helpful.


*snip*


Well written!  I definitely like the language you used to set up/describe the setting.  Speaking of language...you mentioned Traynor used a VI coach to get her accent?  That must be something you headcanoned yourself, correct?  

Haha. It's your story, but i'm not sure how I feel about that - it's just that Traynor's accent is one of her best characteristics.  I'd be a little disappointed to find out that it was a trained habit.


(sorry, that was extremely nitpicky.  I just have a thing for the natural features of a woman.  =])

Modifié par MugenJustice, 07 juillet 2012 - 10:33 .


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Td1984 wrote...

themikefest wrote...

to you folks with the writing advice, my writing does suck and IT WILL NOT change. My talents aren't in writing but in other things. I didn't know we had to meet certain requirements for individuals that may find my writing or others subpar. Now, I will welcome advice on how to do fanfiction from a link or other source since I have no idea on how to do that. I came on this thread to show my support for sam. Nothing more,nothing less.

Yeah, writing isn't exactly my strong suit either. I'm okay with narrative, awful at dialogue. Working with already established characters is also a bit of a pain, so I won't really even attempt fan-fiction. The fact that you are shows that you are at least willing to take a chance.

thanks for the support

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MugenJustice wrote...

jtav wrote...

Thanks Tasha. It's for the Big Bang on LJ/Tumblr. And please know that I'm doing this because I love Sam and want to do her justice. Never written her before so critique is helpful.


*snip*


Well written!  I definitely like the language you used to set up/describe the setting.  Speaking of language...you mentioned Traynor used a VI coach to get her accent?  That must be something you headcanoned yourself, correct?  

Haha. It's your story, but i'm not sure how I feel about that - it's just that Traynor's accent is one of her best characteristics.  I'd be a little disappointed to find out that it was a trained habit.


(sorry, that was extremely nitpicky.  I just have a thing for the natural features of a woman.  =])


Her accent is very RP/posh. Traynor is working class and a colony kid. So her doing a little My Fair Lady to fit in with her classmates seemed plausible enough and it underscores the class difference with Miranda.

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jtav wrote...

MugenJustice wrote...

jtav wrote...

Thanks Tasha. It's for the Big Bang on LJ/Tumblr. And please know that I'm doing this because I love Sam and want to do her justice. Never written her before so critique is helpful.


*snip*


Well written!  I definitely like the language you used to set up/describe the setting.  Speaking of language...you mentioned Traynor used a VI coach to get her accent?  That must be something you headcanoned yourself, correct?  

Haha. It's your story, but i'm not sure how I feel about that - it's just that Traynor's accent is one of her best characteristics.  I'd be a little disappointed to find out that it was a trained habit.


(sorry, that was extremely nitpicky.  I just have a thing for the natural features of a woman.  =])


Her accent is very RP/posh. Traynor is working class and a colony kid. So her doing a little My Fair Lady to fit in with her classmates seemed plausible enough and it underscores the class difference with Miranda.


Fair enough!

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When they voice cast Alix Wilton Regan, they specifically asked for an RP accent so that backwards Americans can understand it. Get someone from Leeds and they're lost. And who's to say that in the 2180's, all English accents aren't RP? I guess I'm trying to say that I don't see Sam putting on a fake accent for anyone's benefit.

There's some discussion of her accent and background further up the thread. Not sure what page, but it's around the teens or twenties, iirc.

Oh, and other than the VI voice training, it was a very good story.  I think there's some discussion of linking all fan fics rather than posting them in their entirety, but I'm not sure where everyone stands with that.  It was just an idea I threw out there.  :)

Modifié par Valorefane Dragonwinter, 08 juillet 2012 - 02:59 .


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heres a fanfic I just did about sam and femshep

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There is a distinct lack of Sam art on this thread, here's a nice pic I found^_^

Posted Image by xRebel666x at DA

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^Can never get tired of that one. One of the best pieces of Traynor fanart yet.

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Xilizhra wrote...

I like Samantha, but I admit that as a Liaramancer, I feel a teensy bit jealous over her intelligence work... oh well.

If not with Shepard, whom would you ship Samantha with?



Liara would be my first pick.
Diana Allers would be second pick.
Kelly Chambers would be my third pick.
Ash would be my fourth pick.   
Jack would be my fifth pick.
Samara and Miranda would be at tie for sixth.

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