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[Wonderllama4]

newsflash: fans are ALWAYS angry. I was here for the launch of Mass Effect 2. judging by the posts you'd swear it was the worst game ever and that Bioware sold out and that the Mass Effect series was ruined forever.

(of course, it got multiple high scoring reviews and GOTY awards... but that's clearly not important)

all of this has happened before and it will all happen again.

[DiebytheSword]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Ok, I've possibly missed something, anyone got a link to an official source that says there's 5 endings, because there is only 3 in the leak, 2 new ones means I suddenly have this fragile swelling of hope, so please don't be mistaken.

There were multiple endings in the leak, three final choices each tempered by what you brough with you into the end game.  Say three levels of what state your galaxy is in when you get to the end game and three choices that make your last move as Shepard, if memory serves.  That means we've actually lost endings since the leak, but its still more than the three people think it is.

[GipsyDangeresque]

The script says that your galactic readiness improves the results of ending 1. It's not always a Pyrrhic victory, only if you fail to get enough assets.

Just saying, if you're upset that there's no 'good' ending. If the script's intent is preserved, then you simply have to work for it- and hard.

[DiebytheSword]

Total Biscuit wrote...

To clarify, I mean the MacGuffin will do one of three things in the leak, you get to pick one, and the way the effects are described, and how different they are to one another, sounds like it's done by magic. Obviously details are missing, and alot of it will be visual, but it's easier to describe as 'three magic buttons'.

A bit of hyperbole on my part. Sorry

The information you're missing was actually further back in the leak.  Its fairly well explained what the "win button" does, and what the cost is for using it.

[brfritos]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Ending one: Reapers Loose, we Loose.

This means Reapers destroyed, Earth is destroyed and every ONE of my squadmates is dead, but Shepard remains alive (the selfish bastard/bi***).

If it's like this, then I'm happy, really happy!

Modifié par brfritos, 03 février 2012 - 09:00 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'd be less angry if ME2 had set up the mcguffin.

They should have forshadowed it more than that one comment in LOTSB.

[Last Vizard]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

The endings in the leaked material were so vague . . . yeah you can kind of tell whats going to happen, but describing them as "magic buttons" is being intellectually dishonest.

Feel I sorta should start making a list of peoples names and who said what, then when I can play the game and see who was right and who wasn't.

A lot of its going to be subjective in the end.  The Deus Ex Machina versus McGuffin crowd is a good example.  Both sides have good arguments that are largely subjective.  It will come down to your personal point of view.  Come see me after you beat the game and I will send you the text I'm working off of and the conclusions I'm drawing from them.

Wasn't calling you out, however I think it would be interesting to know who was right.  It will be subjective either way however I think I will add you as a friend just because It will be find to discuss ME3 story.

[DiebytheSword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'd be less angry if ME2 had set up the mcguffin.

I felt there were very vague hints that the Protheans were up to things other than the conduit and keeper modification in ME1, but I can agree that setting up the McGuffin in ME2 could have been done way better.

[andy6915]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'd be less angry if ME2 had set up the mcguffin.

It kind of did actually. Did you have the Shadow Broker DLC? In it, Liara mentions that the Broker thought the Protheans "had other plans" about the Reaper's based on data he found with his network. That sounds like a major chekhov's gun to me. That perfectly leads into us finding a Prothean super weapon to kill the Reapers for us.

Modifié par andy69156915, 03 février 2012 - 09:04 .

[Tazzmission]

: waits for the lets blame ea crowd to start crying:

[DJBare]

It would be a nice change to the fairy tale story I've played so far, please don't take fairy tale as an insult, but in the last game with a little effort it was an all out win, in the first game at least you could do nothing about losing one of your squad which added to the story depth, I've so far got the sense that Bioware are returning to their roots with ME3, the line "we are going to lose some people" will actually have meaning.

[DiebytheSword]

Last Vizard wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

The endings in the leaked material were so vague . . . yeah you can kind of tell whats going to happen, but describing them as "magic buttons" is being intellectually dishonest.

Feel I sorta should start making a list of peoples names and who said what, then when I can play the game and see who was right and who wasn't.

A lot of its going to be subjective in the end.  The Deus Ex Machina versus McGuffin crowd is a good example.  Both sides have good arguments that are largely subjective.  It will come down to your personal point of view.  Come see me after you beat the game and I will send you the text I'm working off of and the conclusions I'm drawing from them.

Wasn't calling you out, however I think it would be interesting to know who was right.  It will be subjective either way however I think I will add you as a friend just because It will be find to discuss ME3 story.

Didn't say you were, I'm only saying that I'd help you see my point of view better when I could do it without spoiling you.

[Icinix]

If those spoilers are accurate - AWESOME!

[DiebytheSword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

I felt there were very vague hints that the Protheans were up to things other than the conduit and keeper modification in ME1,

What hints?

The fact that an ultra black op secret world was set up to unlock the secrets of the Relays when the Protheans were the only race who spanned the galaxy  means that they suspected soemthing from the start, to me its the only thing that made sense.  It's very weak, which I already said, and very vague, but it is better than nothing.  To me that means that there may have been work going on elsewhere, and it seems that the writers used that vague and weak loophole to set up the McGuffin in ME3.

I'll look through the specific dialogue from the end of the game again and the codex entries that made me come to this conclusion, but it will take me some time that I don't have right now.  I will get back to you though.

[Last Vizard]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

The endings in the leaked material were so vague . . . yeah you can kind of tell whats going to happen, but describing them as "magic buttons" is being intellectually dishonest.

Feel I sorta should start making a list of peoples names and who said what, then when I can play the game and see who was right and who wasn't.

A lot of its going to be subjective in the end.  The Deus Ex Machina versus McGuffin crowd is a good example.  Both sides have good arguments that are largely subjective.  It will come down to your personal point of view.  Come see me after you beat the game and I will send you the text I'm working off of and the conclusions I'm drawing from them.

Wasn't calling you out, however I think it would be interesting to know who was right.  It will be subjective either way however I think I will add you as a friend just because It will be find to discuss ME3 story.

Didn't say you were, I'm only saying that I'd help you see my point of view better when I could do it without spoiling you.

Alright, first step to understanding each other is complete.

[DiebytheSword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

  It's very weak, which I already said, and very vague, but it is better than nothing.

Mmm... it's pretty much nothing.

However my main opposition to it has to do with themes rather than whether it can be written to be plausible or not.

I can see that, and I have a pretty good understanding of why you don't like it by now.  Like I said, what I saw was nothing but wriggle room to make something plausible in a later act, not neccesarily in good taste or of master worldcraft.

[RocketManSR2]

If those endings are set in stone and no amount of side questing will help, then that's bulls***. That's all I'll say until I've actually gone through the game once.

- If Garrus isn't standing with me on piles of burning Reaper corpses at the end, then it sucks. That is all.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 03 février 2012 - 09:50 .

[andy6915]

Saphra, did you completely skip my post?

andy69156915 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'd be less angry if ME2 had set up the mcguffin.

It kind of did actually. Did you have the Shadow Broker DLC? In it, Liara mentions that the Broker thought the Protheans "had other plans" about the Reaper's based on data he found with his network. That sounds like a major chekhov's gun to me. That perfectly leads into us finding a Prothean super weapon to kill the Reapers for us.

[Bocks]

It will make people angry because they chose to go with a cop-out deus ex machina.

[True Zarken]

Would someone mind sending me the endings in a pm please because I am very, very curious now. I've already read some of the script might as well go all the way right? 

Modifié par True Zarken, 03 février 2012 - 09:52 .