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[Stardusk78]

Bocks wrote...

It will make people angry because they chose to go with a cop-out deus ex machina.

How can such a game honestly NOT have a Deus Ex?

[Total Biscuit]

It's really not a Deus ex Machina, it's built up throughout the game, and the plot pretty much revolves around it. It is a MacGuffin though, and the 'ancient super item that never worked before but suddenly does now' kind.

Oh how I hate those...

[Stardusk78]

Total Biscuit wrote...

It's really not a Deus ex Machina, it's built up throughout the game, and the plot pretty much revolves around it. It is a MacGuffin though, and the 'ancient super item that never worked before but suddenly does now' kind.

Oh how I hate those...

There's a saying: there are no new tales, merely new tongues with which to tell the old...

Of course it was going to be like that...but at least we can enjoy the characters and story.

[Bocks]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Bocks wrote...

It will make people angry because they chose to go with a cop-out deus ex machina.

How can such a game honestly NOT have a Deus Ex?

In many,many ways. The Reaper threat isn't something that should be addressed with some stupid plot device that Bioware threw in at the last minute. I'm talking about outsmarting the Reapers, shutting down the Relays and launching Reapers into other Reapers. ANYTHING would have been better. In fact, they should have gone with continuing the research of the Protheans on Ilos to unlock the ways Relays work and use that to destroy the Reaper menace.

There are thousands of ways they could have gone to solve this, but no.

[DigitalMaster37]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

newsflash: fans are ALWAYS angry. I was here for the launch of Mass Effect 2. judging by the posts you'd swear it was the worst game ever and that Bioware sold out and that the Mass Effect series was ruined forever.

(of course, it got multiple high scoring reviews and GOTY awards... but that's clearly not important)

all of this has happened before and it will all happen again.

OMG this ^^^

Nothing is more accurate than this statement. also it sold more copies than ME1. 

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 03 février 2012 - 10:06 .

[Skoomax]

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[Farbautisonn]

I knew it. I ****ing knew it. My aquarium fish are all going to die. You BASTARDS!!!

[DJBare]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

If those endings are set in stone and no amount of side questing will help, then that's bulls***. That's all I'll say until I've actually gone through the game once.

- If Garrus isn't standing with me on piles of burning Reaper corpses at the end, then it sucks. That is all.

Then I suggest you brace yourself, I don't think we are coming out of this fight without loss, and I think Bioware are certainly going to be targeting LI's, they are gong to be pushing Shepards resolve to the limit, at least I hope they are, this is desperate last stand and should be reflected as such.

[Total Biscuit]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Wonderllama4 wrote...
newsflash: fans are ALWAYS angry. I was here for the launch of Mass Effect 2. judging by the posts you'd swear it was the worst game ever and that Bioware sold out and that the Mass Effect series was ruined forever.
(of course, it got multiple high scoring reviews and GOTY awards... but that's clearly not important)
all of this has happened before and it will all happen again.

OMG this ^^^

I love ME, and I love ME 2 even more, I honestly think the ME series are the greatest games ever made, and i'd say 3 tops both it's predecessors. It's almost a masterpieces.

But the endings are so unsatisfying, go so completely against everything we've come to expect from the rest of the plot, and just flat out punish you for getting there that it's put me off playing the first two games ever since I read them.

I think the fact that someone praised the endings earlier in the thread because they're not 'like the fairy tale' kind of story we've had so far. Is pretty indicative of the problem here.

Which is probably the root of the problem; these endings seem to be aimed squarely at the people who don't like Mass Effect. Everyone who's whinged and moaned and wanted grim dam misery's being rewarded, while those of us who have loved the way it's played out so far, loved the fact you can get everyone out of the suicide mission alive, or can generally just act like an awesome hero, the fans who just love ME for being ME, are getting shafted.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 03 février 2012 - 10:31 .

[True Zarken]

^^^
Hell I've only read some of the script (none of the endings) and that alone has put me off from playing ME1 and ME2.

[GipsyDangeresque]

When you put the thing in the MacGuffin you can make it do only the first thing it's supposed to do and not the second part that's bad to everything else with enough War Assets. I fail to see how there isn't a proper good ending. It just doesn't come on a silver platter.

You're a whiny bastard if you think you shouldn't have to earn it.

Modifié par Atemeus, 03 février 2012 - 10:31 .

[DigitalMaster37]

True Zarken wrote...

^^^
Hell I've only read some of the script (none of the endings) and that alone has put me off from playing ME1 and ME2.

I don't think there is reason to be concerned. I believe the people that die will be important or loved, but not LI's, but all told I think we control who dies or who doesn't. If there is an unavoidable death, it will be one or two people IMO. Truthfully it could be Shepard. Think about it, how believable would it be for no one to die in this fight to the death. Everyone can't make it out. 

Now, if Liara dies at any point in the game... I'm unplugging my PC on the spot. (With a well placed "Aww HELL NAW")

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 03 février 2012 - 10:47 .

[Total Biscuit]

Atemeus wrote...

When you put the thing in the MacGuffin you can make it do only the first thing it's supposed to do and not the second part that's bad to everything else with enough War Assets. I fail to see how their isn't a proper good ending. It just doesn't come on a silver platter.

You're a whiny bastard if you think you shouldn't have to earn it.

See, from what I got from the leaked scripts, war assets seemed to have more to do with how well earth and humanity come out of the whole ordeal than affecting how the MacGuffin works.

And the 'perfect' third option is dependant on choices made, not war assets either.

It's this whole galactic readyness meter, and depending on how ready you are will effect how much earth pays for it.

Of course the entire thing is vague and incomplete, so it could go either way, but there's no mention of having different assets causing different effects that I've seen.

And I do want to earn my happy victory. I'm going to be playing on insanity, and I want to have to make the right, smart choices to get the best outcome. I've just not seen any evidence so far to suggested there even is a good outcome yet.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 03 février 2012 - 10:39 .

[corporal doody]

as long as one of the ending allows my femshep to walk away and have a lot of little blue babies with Liara...ill be cool with every other ending they throw our way!!

[Farbautisonn]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Which is probably the root of the problem; these endings seem to be aimed squarely at the people who don't like Mass Effect. Everyone whose whinged and moaned and wanted grim dam missery is being rwwarded, while those of us who have loved the way it's played out so far, loved the fact you can get everyone out of the suicide mission alive, or can generally just act like an awesome hero are getting shafted.

I love the game too but I dont want to see a "Happy End". Because I dont see one.

Earth gets hit HARD. Even if Shepard wins, there will be a decades of recession if not outright breakdown of civil society as we/they would know it. Think Dresden just after ww2 but on a world wide scale. There will be famine, looting, gangs, dictatorial govts, and a metric ton of other issues. Rebuilding will be a monumental task. And thats just earth. Other planets will get the same if not worse.

Hundreds of thousands, if not millions will die. Widows, orphans and wreckage will be more a norm than anything. Again think germany after ww2. A generation or two of men practically wiped out. The only remaining will be the very young, the very old and not too many civillians.

If I get a "and there was much rejoicing and free muffins" ending, Ill be in disbelief. It will ruin the game series for me. If such a scenario is possible and thats a big "if" it should be by combining an unholy alliance of all organic and geth forces, getting them to  work together and then lastly keeping them together after the war is ended. Because there is also a very real chance that some might take advantage of the weakened state of the galaxy to enforce their own supremacy. And if that was to happen... I want the Humans to do that. Not the batarians, rachni or even the Turians.

Ofcourse. This can all be resolved. If I am elected to be Caesar of the galaxy things will be fine. If you just put your faith in me, give me the responsibility, Ill deal with the problems... I promise...

[Chewin]

Total Biscuit wrote...
Which is probably the root of the problem; these endings seem to be aimed squarely at the people who don't like Mass Effect. Everyone who's whinged and moaned and wanted grim dam misery's being rewarded, while those of us who have loved the way it's played out so far, loved the fact you can get everyone out of the suicide mission alive, or can generally just act like an awesome hero, the fans who just love ME for being ME, are getting shafted.

I don't see how an ending what you are referring to automatically means that the endings are aimed at people who don't like ME.

And you shouldn't speak of the majority when it comes to "fairy tail" endings. Sure, there should be a possibilty for people who want that, but personally I found the idea ludicrous, considering the circumstances we are in. But as I said, that's my personal opinion.

[True Zarken]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I don't think there is reason to be concerned. I believe the people that die will be important or loved, but not LI's, but all told I think we control who dies or who doesn't. If there is an unavoidable death, it will be one or two people IMO. Truthfully it could be Shepard. Think about it, how believable would it be for no one to die in this fight to the death. Everyone can't make it out. 

Now, if Liara dies at any point in the game... I'm unplugging my PC on the spot. 

Now you're talking my language. 

[KotorEffect3]

Good thing I havn't been reading these posts in detail just skimming them seems spoilerish. Think I will be avoiding this thread

[KotorEffect3]

True Zarken wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I don't think there is reason to be concerned. I believe the people that die will be important or loved, but not LI's, but all told I think we control who dies or who doesn't. If there is an unavoidable death, it will be one or two people IMO. Truthfully it could be Shepard. Think about it, how believable would it be for no one to die in this fight to the death. Everyone can't make it out. 

Now, if Liara dies at any point in the game... I'm unplugging my PC on the spot. 

Now you're talking my language. 

If she dies then I am going to rage on the liara haters who have been complaing about her "plot armor". 

[Total Biscuit]

Billions of people are dead, civilisations are left so badly damaged or flat out ended that no one is going to be singing Happy Happy Joy Joy by the end credits. Although 'Earth is surprisingly fine' does seem to be a reward for getting enough war assets, I think.

No, it's the overal ME universe that really suffers. The 1st and 3rd endings I mention kill the ME universe effectively, we won't be able to get a game anything like these from a sequel based on those endings, and the second really isn't going to solve anything, and looks like the ending most likely to prevent any happy ever after with your chosen LI.

[corporal doody]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Billions of people are dead, civilisations are left so badly damaged or flat out ended that no one is going to be singing Happy Happy Joy Joy by the end credits. Although 'Earth is surprisingly fine' does seem to be a reward for getting enough war assets, I think.

No, it's the overal ME universe that really suffers. The 1st and 3rd endings I mention kill the ME universe effectively, we won't be able to get a game anything like these from a sequel based on those endings, and the second really isn't going to solve anything, and looks like the ending most likely to prevent any happy ever after with your chosen LI.

why would you post this?

[Tazzmission]

Chewin3 wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...
Which is probably the root of the problem; these endings seem to be aimed squarely at the people who don't like Mass Effect. Everyone who's whinged and moaned and wanted grim dam misery's being rewarded, while those of us who have loved the way it's played out so far, loved the fact you can get everyone out of the suicide mission alive, or can generally just act like an awesome hero, the fans who just love ME for being ME, are getting shafted.

I don't see how an ending what you are referring to automatically means that the endings are aimed at people who don't like ME.

And you shouldn't speak of the majority when it comes to "fairy tail" endings. Sure, there should be a possibilty for people who want that, but personally I found the idea ludicrous, considering the circumstances we are in. But as I said, that's my personal opinion.

ok despite biscuit spoiling everything in here wich he shouldnt. i read alot of the script and the vibe i get from it is to me it sounds pretty damn cool and heres how im seeing it as...

regardless what you do in me3 theres going to be a ending of a no win situation and one being non destructive as far as i can tell.

i know alot of people who read what i read may feel mixed or just flat out hate the idea of it but from my point of view and my thoughts is i like the way there going to end the game because there is no direct set winner or loser as most games tend to do.

i love mass effect 2 but i will say that just like comics and w/e to me its filler and i look at it like a opertunity to gain more paragon/renegade xps.


all in all im really looking forward to this game and i know for a fact i'll be preparing for a ***** storm of angry fans after march 6th

[DarthCaine]

The actual endings seemed fine to me, even if there were copy pasted from another game.

The problem is the idiotic "plot twist" that precedes those endings.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 03 février 2012 - 11:02 .

[JediHealerCosmin]

If Shepard disappears like the other protagonists, I'm canceling my pre-order.
After I play it... 

[Tazzmission]

DarthCaine wrote...

The actual endings seemed fine to me, even if there were copy pasted from another game.

The problem is the idiotic "plot twist" that precedes those endings.

eh honestly its fine and could be worse.


always remember the first chapter of a trilogy is the easiest to do wile the sequels tend to stray off a bit.

im not saying the me3 script is garbage but i think it'll tie up me1 nicely wile me2 will just be considered a 60 dollar sidequest ( wich i still love)


and plus i like alot of things that are in the script wich i wont mention here 

Modifié par Tazzmission, 03 février 2012 - 11:05 .